How I cured my gastritis

Hiya Alice!

Well, water is good for controlling reflux. It also keeps your kidneys clean. But it's definitely not enough to treat reflux on it's own! However, you didn't say anything about your condition. Is it gastritis, GERD or both? 

Regardless of whatever you have, drinking chocolate milk is a bad idea as it helps increase acid secretion and relaxes the lower sphincter which will allow the acid to flow to your esophagus, causing reflux. Rather than reducing milk intake, I would suggest ditching the Milo first and see if it changes anything.

And about the beans. They're kinda gassy and hard to digest due to the soluble fibers in them.

Hope that helps!

Oh and it's normal to feel full after drinking too much water. Heck, I feel full after drinking 2-3 glasses of water myself. 

Hello Ahmad

Well  am not sure exactly what my problem is, some call it gastritis, some Dyspepsia and I dont know the difference.  But my symptoms are:  I feel too much gas in my stomach, I feel full most of the times, and when the gas is too much it gives me the following problems: - Dizziness, Nausea, general sickness, weakness, headaches etc.  I also belch a lot.  I also feel discomforts in the stomach that I fail to eat.  Like yesterday, I was feeling that dull and uncomfortable that I did not eat, I just ate a little papaya.

So if I stop using Milo what is the substitute? Can I just use milk and water with sugar?  I use a little stock margarine on my bread is it ok? Maybe I should just be taking porridge?

Well, dyspepsia and gastritis are essentially the same thing. Dyspepsia means indigestion and it's actually a symptom of gastritis, inflamation of the stomach due to acid. But these are interchangebly used because they are one and the same. 

About the symptoms, I had the same problem in the beginning. Gas is definitely annoying and I was able to counter it by drastically reducing my intake of gassy foods like lentils, beans, chickpeas, cabbage etc. although I still belch but it's mostly under control now. Belching is also due to improper digestion of certain foods and so a lot of gas is produced. Some say that digestive enzymes helps in properly digesting such foods and thus you will belch less. I have yet to try this method.

Discomfort in the stomach is the most prominant symptom of this cursed condition. It can either range from pain to cramps or simply just the feeling of discomfort which is very, very annoying indeed.

Foregoing Milo for porridge is a really good idea. I myself eat porridge for breakfast everyday. The best way to combat gastritis/dyspepsia is to modify your diet in such a way that you only get to eat low-fat and low-acid diet for 3-4 months. One needs to be very patient with this condition as it may take 2-3 days to feel a difference even if you start a diet. And by patience I also mean to control yourself from eating foods that will bring your symptoms back. I was feeling very well for the last week or two but then I got cocky and ate outside (yet again!) and now I got the stomach pain, bloating and belching back. It's like I'm starting all over again!

Oh and one more thing: There will a lot of trial and errors. You must eliminate the foods that irritate you. It's very tricky but you'll make it.

Hope that helps!

 

Gastritis/Dyspepsia

The two are different, One can have dyspepsia without gastritis but even mild gastritis can cause dyspepsia

. Thus one can easily have both. Gastritis is caused by "insults such as h pylori, medications, viral infectiions, and some unknows. Acid "irritates an existing inflammed lining.. The medicatiions Alice has mentioned have all targeted Gastritis, Dyspepsia (2 forms), and Gastropaersis. Besides these 3, she could have an ulcer, thyroid, gallbladder, or liver issues. One would think these would have been "ruled out" with basic diagnostics..although she hasn't mentioned any endoscopy/lab results.

If not performed, best have them done.

In the meantime, The elimination of Milo/Milk/beans and replacing with porridge among other thngs mentioned  surely  should  help .Claudio

 

 

Thanks for clarifying, Claudio. In my case the gastritis was caused by intake  of spicy foods and most prominently by the excess consumption of carbonated beverages. I remember only drinking water once in a week or so and satisfying my thirst with Pepsi. I did it for years. 

Alice, Claudio's right. It'll be very beneficial if you get those tests, given that the doctor recommends it.

By the way, Claudio...are you also suffering from gastritis? It's really one heck of a condition, huh.

ahmad,

treated my wife probably h.pylori and trauma

induced Gastritis. very nasty..we were confined

to home, like "house arrest".she and her sister

flying to Toronto Monday for 10 days..first

outing in 2 years. claudio

I'm glad your wife made it through. It's definitely an annoying condition. what's even worse is that you start to suspect that you might have a serious disease or even cancer because of the duration. I'm prone to anxiety and gastritis increased my stress to a whole new level. But thank God I'm recovering...slowly but surely. I just gotta make sure I don't eat anything outside for a few months and stick to the diet.

Hope you guys continue to have a healthu, joyful life!

Hi Alice,

It is good to drink water regularly to stay hydrated and clean the interior of the digestive system but 4 glasses at once seems to much.

I suggest you stop milk and dairy completely, it causes excess acid and stomach pain.

The only good tea is chamomile tea, avoid all others especially the ones with caffeine.

What's chamom tea ? Is That a green tea ? If not whata your opinion about green tea ? And I think it's very hard completely exclude dairy products from life .....😳

Chamomile is a flower. It is used as a herbal tea.

I agree it is hard to avoid dairy but I think it is important. I started improving the day I stopped dairy. There is a study that shows that dairy delays recovery of ulcers. Other studies (in nyt) show milk (dairy) is not useful for anything (except calories). Finally from what I read it increases stomach acid (probably the milk protein and calcium in it).

Green tea is to be avoided.

But my GI doctor told me to eat a lot of yougrt specially at night. He said it makes coating on stomach which prevent stomach eating itself. About chamomile flower tea underwhich name it's availaibe in market ?

I am surprised your doctor said that. Doctors used to think milk helps to cure ulcer until they realized it makes it worse. Maybe you should do your own research, see how you feel with and without yoghurt to decide for yourself.

I don't know any other name for chamomile tea.

Many people have been told to avoid milk products.  But, the small and large intestines must have beneficial bacteria to function properly.  And the main source of this is milk based probiotics.  The best way to diagnose a problem is look at your tongue, it should be pink, not white, smoothe, not furry.  I had a case of bad gut bacteria and could not eat carbs.  When I ate carbs I would blow up like a ballon.  So I took 5 doses of Pepto bismol 1 each hour, to kill all the gut bacteria.  Then started eating good quality, plain yogurt every hour all day, then 4 times a day thereafter.  Now I can eat carbs and no bloating.  Yogurt saved my life as the doctor wanted to remove some of my small intestine.  Now I'm much better.  That was my main symptom.  You have a smart doctor.  Too many presciption drugs are killing us.  Be well.  John

Many people have been told to avoid milk products.  But, the small and large intestines must have beneficial bacteria to function properly.  And the main source of this is milk based probiotics.  The best way to diagnose a problem is look at your tongue, it should be pink, not white, smoothe, not furry.  I had a case of bad gut bacteria and could not eat carbs.  When I ate carbs I would blow up like a ballon.  So I took 5 doses of Pepto bismol 1 each hour, to kill all the gut bacteria.  Then started eating good quality, plain yogurt every hour all day, then 4 times a day thereafter.  Now I can eat carbs and no bloating.  Yogurt saved my life as the doctor wanted to remove some of my small intestine.  Now I'm much better.  That was my main symptom.  Too many presciption drugs are killing us.  Be well.  John

Yoghurt might be good for the bowels because of the bacteria but it is not good for the stomach because it makes the stomach produce excess acid (probably due to the milk protein). There are other ways to get beneficial bacteria and yoghurt can be made with soy milk, coconut milk, ...

Innes,

I thought John stated he tolerated yogurt much the same as my wife...it was her "life line"...That being factual...your comment is misleading. As far back as 2006 the Japanese study of yogurt in "human" demonstrated that LG21 (gasseri) strains can enter into gastric mucus layer within 1 h after the strains were orally administered. These strains can adhere and protect the mucosa from pathogens...Acid...you well know is necesary to process proteins via pepsin,and is a critical barrier as well...plus you also know acid secretion can be elicited from thought or smell. If anyone with a stomach disorder cannot "tolerate" yogurts, "meaning" some people are geneticlly intolerant of lactose/egg etc...should opt for the implanted bacteria into soy or coconut.

But to avoid if "tolerant" leads one to conclude you are anti dairy biased.

Claudio

I'm not sure if the moderator will allow a link so I will include it in a separate message.  There have been recent studies on the gut bacteria that considered the DNA of each strain.  Some strains were believed to tell the body to store calories as fat.  This is a small excerpt:

"Many of the bacteria are essential for our immune system. Furthermore, recent research has shown how gut flora can influence the development of diseases and disorders such as ADHD, diabetes, and obesity.

The gene map can be used to strengthen our understanding of a long list of disorders and in the search for new types of antibiotics, says Associate Professor Henrik Bjørn Nielsen, who helped conduct the study at the Centre for Systems Biology at the Technical University of Denmark.

“Gut bacteria has been one of the hottest scientific topics in the past four years. Prior to our study, only around 10 percent of these bacteria were known. We have mapped the remaining 90 percent. This could lead to major medical progress in the future,” says Nielsen.

Here is the title of another study:

"Study reveals that people may inherit ‘gut’ bacteria that cause Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis"

This is a new direction for medical science and will hopefully lead to new natural treatments.  John

http://sciencenordic.com/new-study-completes-mapping-our-gut-bacteria

http://discover.umn.edu/news/science-technology/people-may-inherit-gut-bacteria-cause-crohns-disease-and-ulcerative-colitis

Thanks John,

I read the absract only a few weeks ago via plos one.

I've kept my nose to the shime perhaps too long but its been a marvelos in vitro study tool, validated as well invented back in 1992 but ...dna sequencing has advanced the science of biology so quickly in the past 4 years difficult to obtain current data since from discovery to publishing takes forever.. and I can only afford to subscribe to two journals....and my SRI neighbor has become a bit irritated with me asking questions that he thinks I should know?.

I'll just keep trying to be informed....your protocol was clinically perfect....Claudio

Hi John,

was not plos but "open source"...if the link goes into limbo, those who would like to have the info can merely do a goggle scholar search with this title

New study completes mapping of our gut bacteria

Claudio

Hi John,

I read some studies on how important our gut bacteria is for our health but I also read that we have so many different bacteria, such a huge number and the bacterial map changes so fast (because of the rate of reproduction, in a few hours you can have a completely different bacterial map) that taking a few bacteria of a limited number of types by mouth won't make such a difference and not for very long. Also from what I read the research is in its infancy. I personnaly never noticed any effect of taking probiotics except a little bit of gas but I am glad it helped you.

Innes,

you need to turn the page......science is neither static nor dynamic....or thery are both.....science advances by way of accumulated knowledge and new measuring tools (technology)

Only takes one bacterial pathogen to manifest havoc within hours....We knew in Roman times lactobacillus could travel from oral cavity to anus in a day.

What ever sources your making comments on are stale,infancy could be more appropriate from the lips of L Pasteur. Claudio

Thank you for your replies Claudio and ines6375.  I also tried the probiotics route in the form of 3 different brands, all in powder form.  $80 worth.  That did not seem to help.  Then I read in this forum that it is bad bacteria that makes the intestinal bloating.  I used the pink tablet Pepto Bismol to kill off any bad bacteria I had aquired.  Then I used only yogurt to "reinfest" with the good.  Even though it was only 4 strains.  I also use Cardamon tea to soothe the stomach lining and neutralize acid.  I hope this information can help someone else suffering from the bloating nausea feeling. 

John,

Probiotics are not like we can within a short time 2 to 4 weeks  know much, and then we ought to have fecal lab work done to see if they are getting to the 3 lower compartments.Some of the beneficial ones need chaperones like Oligosaccharides to help them get thru the harshness of acids...while some are acid resistant and can travel quickly, numbers count "big time"...to colonize the 3 compartments of the colon and outnumber the bad guys could take some time..we pretty much know the species of each compartment but not necessarily the "mix"...what is often needed per the shime are the Oligosaccharides (prebiotics) that multiply the good bacteria numbers. The "ajwain" combined with "fenogreek" (one of these same comp as cardamon) "in time" has demonstrated a near rebooting of the small and large intestine ...although the studies are small and have not been "control" studies. I haven't found them tested in shime and if so...no publications that I can locate. The Chinese are more up to speed with cocktails that work but not too many of them enter the journals...what's  difficicult is that our researchers continue to look for one silver bullet, even in a cocktail where as the Chinese take into consideration the phenotype...a gal here from SRI post grad working on this concept..much like an on board auto diagnostic computer..first glance looks like a "$ menu gadget"..hope I'm wrong.Claudio

And to complicate matters.  Most people suffering from gastro intestinal problems are more likely to use antacids/ acid blockers, giving "bad guy" bacteria a free ticket to the intestinal area where they do their dirty work.

Claudio,

My sources are mainly the health section from the New York Times in which there were a few recent articles about gut bacteria. I read many forums and I have never heard people improving with some of the advice you are giving, worse I think some of your advice goes against recovery. Why don't you start your own thread instead on insulting me on a thread I started?

Bravo Ines! I agree!

You are right I need to turn the page. I shared everything I learned in my road to recovery. I am glad it helped some people. I don't have anything else to add so I am going to unfollow the thread.

I wish everyone a good and quick recovery!

You did indeed helped us alot with many of the supplements which you intro in the first place. A great saviour afterall. Thanks!

This was the title of my google search;  "intestinal study flora dna"

don't intend to insult,  much because you've done excellent posting as to what worked for you and what didn't....you've made some remaks that I chose not to respond directly to you but to the individual via PM.

Know this is your fifedom and inasmuch as I appreciate all that you have done to help others, when you misslead, you can count me in...and you ought to do the same...it can be most benefical.to me, yourself and others.

John does scholar study, and there are only a few others who do the same.The sources you quote from are not worth much  unless validated via a credible peer reviewed source. sure it takes time. But getting to truth has value..often its not what's in print but what's not...Your Milk

references could be a prime example. did you check the NYT's story source? 

Just continue to do your good work of helping others sort out their diets and stay healthy...and without fries...Claudio.

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Thank you very much for the many info am getting through all of you good people.  I have had gatroscopy/endoscopy done and the most recent on e was last month which according to the doctor performing the procedure concluded that I had a very mild inflamation in the stomach lining.  And the others I have had, I have been assured that I do not have ulcers but just the gas.  I am trying to ajust to the new diet though its proving difficult but am sure its helping though I still belch a lot.  I will check if I can find the chamomile tea in our shops.  Will cut the riary products copmletely.

Thank you very much for the many info am getting through all of you good people.  I have had gatroscopy/endoscopy done and the most recent on e was last month which according to the doctor performing the procedure concluded that I had a very mild inflamation in the stomach lining.  And the others I have had, I have been assured that I do not have ulcers but just the gas.  I am trying to ajust to the new diet though its proving difficult but am sure its helping though I still belch a lot.  I will check if I can find the chamomile tea in our shops.  Will cut the diary products copmletely.