How I survived, researched, and overcame Trigeminal Neuralgia

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I'm going to tell my story so it will be kind of long, but has a great end ing..promise;-). In 2011, at age 29, I noticed a sharp pain when I brushed my teeth. At the time, like many others, I assumed it was dental related. I went to the dentist and they found nothing wrong. As the weeks went on, the pain started happening when I talked, brushed, washed my face, clenched my teeth, slept, smiled, if the wind blew hard, etc. It was the WORST pain of my life. It felt like an electric shock going off in my the left side of my face by my jaw. Sometimes the pain would be just a quick stab, and other times the pain would vibrate through my face and all I could do was stop all motion and wait until it passed. I would even wake up out of my sleep sometimes from the pain if I accidentally turned on my left side. The pain would last for weeks then go away for a week and I thought it was over. BIG MISTAKE! It came back with a vengeance.

After many painful days and nights, I started looking up my symptoms on the internet (yeah for Google) and the same diagnosis kept coming up..Trigeminal Neuralgia. I was confused because although my symptoms matched, it said that this disease usually showed itself in older individuals and I was only 29. I made an appointment with my physician and after cruelly poking my facing with his finger after I told him my symptoms, he confirmed that although it was rare for my age, I had TN. He prescribed me a steroid prescription and sent me on my way. No further explanation. If I had not already researched this, I would have been lost. So I took the pills, and besides making me gain a couple pounds, the pain remained. By now, I had researched so much about TN, I felt like an expert. I called my physician and asked to be referred to a Neurologist.

Long story short on this part, Before the Neurologist saw me , he sent me to get MRI which was clean so no MS and he spent all of three minutes seeing me, told me I had TN, gave me a prescription for TEGRETOL, and sent me on my way. No further explanation about my disease. He failed to tell me that the Tegretol would make me CRAZY!!!!!!!!! I am a teacher and the Tegretol had me so nuts, some days I couldn't even function. I have a 2 1/2 yr old and between the Tegretol and pain, I'm sure I was a pain for my child.

The Tegretol did help a little but I could not see myself having to live the rest of my life on Tegretol. It would have been HELL!!! I had already researched Gamma Ray treatment and surgery to cut skull open and put something in between nerve and blood vessel. Both did not appeal to me.

THIS IS WHEN IT GETS GOOD!!! I live in Alabama (US) and one day when I was researching, I saw that a Neurosurgeon in Birmingham, AL, Dr. Swaid N. Swaid does something called CYBERKNIFE TREATMENT. CYBERKNIFE is a non invasive radio surgery that is used to treat everything from cancerous and non cancerous tumors and TRIGEMINAL NEURALGIA!!! It beams a high dose of radiation to the area that precisely goes to the spot needed. I felt like this was my only hope. I called to make an appointment and luckily, a referral was not needed since my Dr. and Neurologist were of no help. I went to see Dr. Swaid the next month and he was the first Dr. to sit down and explain exactly what I had and the treatment options. Because of my age, he thought the brain surgery was better but I told him that I would rather do the Cyberknife. The brain surgery, besides be invasive, would make me have to take 2-3 weeks to recuperate while Cyberknife, I would go into treatment 1-5 times, depending on my xray of my nerves and lay on the table for 45 minutes and left the robot do it's thing and get up and be just fine. No pain, no cutting!

Made my appointment for Cyberknife, went in to talk to Radiologist who told me Cyberknife was just as good as the invasive method. He actually drew me a picture to describe what was going on in my face and told me that I was suffering from Trigeminal Neuralgia in my 3rd trigeminal nerve (the one by the lower jawline). After they looked at my

Xray, they decided I only needed one treatment. They made a mold of my face that is like a net they had to put on my face to keep me prefectly still. I laid on the table, listened to the music of my choice, and listened to the robotic arm buzz over my face for @ 40 minutes. Got up and was on my way. I was warned that the results would not be

immediate. The radiation slowly kills the nerve that is being affected. But month after month, sure enough, the pain became less and less. I went to see Dr. Swaid every 3 month for the next 9 months. He said by the 6th month, if the pain was gone, most likely it would be gone forever. The only side effect I have is that sometimes when I chew on that side of my face, because the nerve was killed, I get a little painless tightening in my jaw (like lock jaw) for a few seconds. I laugh because I'll take that anyday over TN and it only happens usually when I chew something really tough on that side

I have been pain free for about a year now but I'll never forget the worst part of my life. I encourage anyone dealing with TN TO DO YOUR RESEARCH and do what is best for you. If you have a Hospital that offers Cyberknife in your area, I encourage you to look into it. Never give up hope that you can't overcome this and know that there are others that have had to deal with this too....You DO NOT have to settle for taking medication for this disease for the rest of your life! RESEARCH, RESEARCH RESEARCH. God Bless!!!

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    So I was dianosed TN about a month ago and everything stated in this post is correct as far as the pain and medication. I am 60 and dang it hurts just attempting to shave on the area. I have been placed a the generic version of TEGRETOL and absolutely hate it I am tired most of the time at first everyting was in a fog and my wife tells me I slur my words at times. I am seriously looking at either other meds or Gamma knife. Next vist to the DR that is what I am going to tell him.

     

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      Hi Tom, Im sorry to hear that u have this dreaded condition. I do remember my times on tegretol, dilantin, etc. It was miserable! I heard re a new drug, Trileptal in this blog, but not sure how good it is. I did the MVD procedure & I would not recommend it. ( See my previous reply to alicot). I am now looking into gamma or another I read re.) Take care & blessings in ur continued search.

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      So, the first thing I would say is consult with a pharmacist.  Tergratol (carbamazapine) is an older much used medication in the past but there is a new generation Oxcatbazapine that has a lower side effect profile.  Ask the pharmacist if you actually have to taper to switch medications and then talk to your doctor, who I hope is at least a neurologist.  Make sure the doctor has ordered a high resolution MRI of the trigeminal area, both sides with and without contrast before deciding on what surgery might be right for you if any; then find a surgeon who had done many of the rhizotomines, the microvascular decompression and the gamma knife so that the correct one can be chosen for your individual condition if you are considering surgery.  A good surgeon will want this test before making a recommendation so it makes sense to have your neurologist order it before you see a surgeon, as that is the first thing he or she will want to see.   Good luck
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    Thanks for your information. TN is definitely the worst pain I have experienced. I am looking for information. I have recently been diagnosed with TN. I am having trouble getting an appointment with a neurologist. So far the best I can do is an appointment July 26th. I live in middle Tennessee. I would appreciate any advice.
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    I have discovered a change of events of my TN, without any surgery and without any doctor's help, I have managed to give up all the medication all on my own.  I still have slight pain of the TN, but it is far less than it ever was.  I am now able to control it and I am leading a normal life without the pain.  My doctor doesn't know yet.  I thought I might take all my pills back to my doctor at my next appointment for HRT.  I feel so thankful that most of the pain has subided and I'm now able to have my meals and clean my teeth without all the pain.  I do still have slight stabs of pain which are not that often now, but I am able to cope with it.  The slight stabs of pain are very weak, so they don't matter.

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      Marianne what was your change of events going off the meds? My husband just had Gamma Knife one month ago today with no relief yet. He will not take medications. So how have you conquered TN?
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      Hi Sandy, I do think you are lucky to be able to have gamma knife.  Over here in Britain, I can't have that because the consultant and the hospital has told me that it could kill me and then the GP has said that in America it is a completely different system and that you pay expensively for it, while over here in America it's all on the NHS and they don't want to do it. I was very disappointed to say the least, so all I was left with was having my mobile alarm going off every four hours to take 300 mgs of these pills which were not high enough and so I went back to my GP to ask her to put them up for me, but when she did, I forgot how to take them and took two together too soon which made me dizzy and one day I fell onto my daughter while she was having her dinner in the evening and it then also made me sick and then I phoned the GP surgery and was told to come off them, which I already did.  I let my body restore itself including returning to the pain and then I resumed.  After that, if I missed one of my pills, I was in terrific pain and I noticed that in the morning when I got up, it felt like all my left-hand side of my teeth were moving and ready to fall out, but when I felt them they were still there and firm, but the pain was awful, so I thought I had better not do that again.

      This pain started in 2013 when I was sat at my computer and I suddenly had a stab of pain in one tooth on the left-hand side of my mouth, so I made an appointment to see my dentist and I was shocked when my dentist said there was nothing wrong with my teeth.  In fact I thought my dentist was lying and I kept going back to ask her if she was sure.  I also told her that I wanted a filling, so she made out that she gave me one, when in actual fact she hadn't.  So I was still stuck with this awful pain, but it wasn't that bad in 2013 until this year in 2017 when it had doubled up in pain and I couldn't clean any of the left-hand side of my face.  I couldn't touch my face on that side at all and so I got annoyed and I wouldn't be beaten.  I defied the pain and still cleaned my face.  I had a sharp pain which went straight up to my ear, but this only happened once.  The pain also affected the left-hand side of my bottom lip which could not be touched.  Well, I can tell you that I was furious about all this pain, like I didn't have enough going against me, without this as well. By the time I had moved house in 2014 and in my new area, I was going to all the dentists with this pain and every one of them didn't see a problem, one dentist asked me to keep a log of every time I had pain, so I came home and I was writing my times of pain down every minute and sometimes two minutes.  It was so frequent that I couldn't see the point of writing it down anymore because I had to do this for weeks until my next appointment, so I went back to see him and I told him that I only made a log of it for a couple of nights because the pain is every one to two minutes and he was shocked that I was in so much pain.  All he said, which was obvious was, "You shouldn't be in that much pain".  So I didn't bother going back to him.  Then I decided to research at home and put every detail of my symptom onto Google and I came up with my problem and found out that it wasn't a dentist that I needed but a doctor, so I went to my doctor and all she did was agree to it and put me on these pills.  The pain just worsened and I told her I wanted to go to Maxillofacial in the local hospital, but she said I can't do that until I am taking my maximum of pills.  Well in all this time (at present I have been in and out of work for years, unfortuantely) when I go for interviews, my pain starts while I am being interviewed and I have to ignore it.  Can you imagine what that is like?  I am sat there being interviewed and all of a sudden I have one of those attacks of sheer pain while I'm talking, trying to convince the employer that I am right for the job?  Wow, I think oh crikey, but there's nothing I can do, so I ignore it and the pain subsides.  I carry on like this, timing every pill.  I know that I can never stop taking these pills because that's what my doctor said, in fact she didn't have to tell me that because I already knew it.  So I know that I can't have gamma knife because the NHS don't want to pay for it and I'm on benefits and I can't have any of the other ones either, that Americans are lucky enough to be able to have, so I go to the job centre every two weeks to sign on for benefits and I have told them of my pain and they know that I am in agony with it when it happens.  They have asked me what has caused it, so I told them that I googled in and it seems that on one search it said that there are three nerves, one affects the head, one affects the eyes and one affects the mouth and I have the one that affects the mouth and the nerve it seems has been damaged.  So the job centre asked how I damaged it and I said I don't know.  On Google it also said that this pain happens when the brain is sending wrong signals to the mouth.  The brain is telling the nerve that every time I eat or touch that part of my face it hurts when it doesn't really.  Well, my pain was really that bad, that the job centre has let me apply for Employment Support Allowance and Disability Allowance because my pain is really bad all the time and it would affect a job.

      Okay, now getting off the pills and becoming pain free, I am not sure if this will help your husband.  Now since that has happened, my daughter and I are wondering if the cause of my pain stopping is because my brain knows that there is a solution because I can claim disability allowance.  We are thinking that it is a stress reliever.  It seems that I don't have the pain when I get up in the morning and I don't know why, apart from the stress reliever, although I haven't got rid of it all.  It's like, the job centre has given me a way out, so my brain has calmed down.  

      My pain is very limited.  I am not totally pain free, but it's nothing like it used to be and I can go for long periods each day without any, but I am careful how I having my meals, I start off on my right hand side.  When I talk I make sure I don't talk for a long time because then the pain does come back.  I make sure that I am gentle with my mouth.  I relax my teeth gently together when my mouth is closed.  Sometimes I close my mouth and have my teeth slightly apart  before gently resting them together.  I am now able to clean my teeth without any pain and I start on my right hand side at the top first, then the bottom, inside and out and then I GENTLY, go to the other side and brush gently on my left-hands side.  Sometimes I get too confident and there is a slight stab of pain on one of my teeth and I then start going gently again and it's then okay.  At this particular moment as I'm writing, there was a little bit of pain on my left-hand side, but it was very small and I suppose, you could say, that I'm not going to let it get the better of me.  I feel angry with it and if it hand't improved so much (with the threat of the Employment Support Allowance and Disability Allowance) that the job centre gave me, I would have done what the man on youtube has done.  He is totally free of pain after 5 years, no more pills for him.  So he has done better than me, but I don't mind because I'm practically free of the pain and I feel so thankful that things are better for me and I don't have to take those pills every four hours. 

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    My daughter was diagnosed with TM in February while attending school in Madison Wisconsin.  She looked up her symptoms on the internet and asked the ER doctor if it could possibly be TM.  He said it was, gave her prescription for Tegretol and told her to find a primary care physician and a neurologist.  I am a retired nurse so I got busy here in the Boston area looking for a specialist and reading as much of the research as I could.  The neurologist in WI had only treated 2 patients with TM during the course of her career, and had seen a few diagnosed in the ER during her residency.  Usually, an MRI is ordered to rule out other conditions such as a brain tumor or Multiple Sclerosis.  MS symptoms can be similar because the sheath, a fatty covering on the neurons- (the cells that transmit nerve impulses), is attacked.  In some cases of TM blood vessels are compressing on, wearing away or irritating the neuron.  A general brain MRI can, in most cases, help rule these other diagnosis out.  After my daughter saw the neurologist she suggested a high resolution/multi-cut MRI on both sides with and without contrast.  It could be done in WI but because of the density of hospitals in Boston there would be more and newer machines with this capability so it was suggested we get it done here.  We got that before we saw the neurosurgeon, because without that what he or she could  tell us would be very limited.  While this was all happening my daughter was having side effects from the Tegretol/carbamazapine- needing to sleep 14 hours per day- hard on a 20 year old.  I spoke with an expert on medication and double checked with  pharmacist who said the second generation drug Trileptal/oxycarbazapine has a lower side effect profile and told her to tell the doctor to change the perscription.  After the switch she had fewer side effects and good relief most of the time.  Stress also was a big factor in having pain attacks so we found a practioner who help her with relaxation and self-hypnosis to keep the anxiety from the pain breakthroughts from getting the best of her.

    My criteria for looking for a surgeon were the following- experience with all the surgical options (for there was a saying; if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail).  I was looking for someone who has done a large number of these surgeries and was involved in research and had a record of good outcomes.  I found a physician at the Mass General in Boston who met this criteria.  She would not be seen until she was seen by a neurologist and had an MRI and all the relevant information was sent over.  The high resolution MRI needed to be prescribed by a doctor so I called the neurosurgeon's office and asked them to call the MRI company out here to get her an appointment before we met with the neurosurgeon.  They were happy to help us out.

    At this point let me say that it would probably be in the best interest of the UK patients to get together and try to advocate for a centralized a place to have this condition treated; even if you have to travel it is worth going to an experienced physician since this is a fairly rare condition, the more patients being seen and followed up a practice the better off things will be.  It is cost efficient too, better to have fewer beta/gamma knifes and high resolution MRI's in the hands of experienced surgeons and surgical teams who are familiar with the treatments and techniques.  

    So we had the MRI done on a Monday and the appointment in Boston on the following Wednesday.  The surgeon, after taking a history with focus on the pain symptons, briefly explained the medical treatments involving drugs and then the surgical treatments available.  He recommended the microvasuclar decompression, putting a teflon pillow between the nerve and the blood vessel.  He was very specific about why he came to this reccomendation - my daughter had classic symptoms, a classic response to the medication and when we reviewed the MRI even we could see the distinct difference between the left and right trigeminal nerves- the compression was very clear.  What I am saying is each case is different depending on the symptoms and anatomy and for this reason, what works for one person may not work for another.  Because of her age I was nervous about needing the surgery done again after a few years as I had seen with the rhizotomy.  I could not find any information about it being done more than twice, and for someone in their 60's that might be o.k. but for someone in their 20's it was more concerning.  The surgeon said that the MVD had a better and more durable outcome and gave us a high probability that the surgery would be successful.  He also explained that sometimes with the surgery there is hearing loss and that they would use an ear bud and an electrode to moniter hearing during the surgery which has significantly reduced hearing loss as a side effect of surgery.  When asked if she was interested in having the surgery my daughter agreed it would be a good for her; she did not want to take medication her whole life.  He treats many patients, some who fly internationally for this surgery and it turns out there was no use in getting a second opinion as he's done around 1,000 MVDs and andother 1,000 rhyiotomies.  I didn't feel it would be easy for me to find anyone with as much experience.   He opened his schedule and said there was availablity on Saturday- that threw her off guard.  We tlod him we would be in contact with the office.  As we were leaving we met his nurse practitioner.  I asked how long she has been working with this doctor- 'eleven years' was the response.  This is usually a good sign.  My daughter needed some time to wrap her mind around the idea of surgery right away but as far as I was concerned if she wanted it why wait?  

    Yes, she needed to have her head shaved a bit behind the ear and there is a scar.  It is invasive but do not fool yourself, radiation or rhizotomies may be less or non-invasive but that does not mean they are benign.  The staff at the Mass General is world class.  After surgery she was in a Neuro ICU because as a standard she needed to have neuro checks every 2 hours and be on moniters through the night.  She basicallly had her own nurse until morning.  She spent the following day in the hospital and was discharged on Monday and walked across the street with me to go out to lunch.  She was off heavy pain medication after a week and taking valium at bed time for another few days following to help with neck spasms. She drove with me 9 days later to NY to see a show (because when your daughter who is going into brain surgery says she'd like to see a show you do it if it's possible). Fifteen days after surgery she flew back to Wisconsin to begin work part time.  She started tapering off the medication 13 days after surgery and appears to be doing well.  We realize are truly fortunate to be well insured (we do pay a hefty monthy bill and have a high deductable) and have access to some of the world's best medical care.   All this may change under this administration as our surgeon's research funding comes from the NIH- (government funded) and with the current proposed cuts to both research and drastic reductions in health care spending things may get tight as hospitals vie for significantly fewer dollars.  We hope all of you struggling to figure this out are able to get the support that you need.   Check with the facial pain association and read their news letters.  There is a lot of helpful infomation out there.  You are in our prayers.   

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      I pray the MVD works long term for your daughter, It only lasted 3 years for me and the side effects are not worth it in my opinion. I am now back on medication.  My surgeon was also one of the best in the World a pioneer in MVD and has now retired. 
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    Thank you so, so much for this!!! I realize the post was several years ago... Can you say how you are doing now and if the "tightness" in your jaw still occurs... or any other things to be aware of?

    I am seriously considering having the cyberknife treatment and I'd love to know your insights as a champion of the situation..

    Many, many thanks!

    Maureen

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    Hi!

    My dad have done all the three surgerys and no one of them helped.

    The gamma knife, they entered behind the ear trying to look for something wrong, and the laser..

    I don't know the exact names in English.

    I just wonder if someone of you tried with cannabis?? To smoke or with oil and a few drops? Do you have any experience of having pain and trying with that??

    It helps alot when people have MS and other kind of problems.

    Please respond me if you know something!!

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    Hi , I just wondered how you are going after nearly 4 years of the treatment with the TN.

    Thank you

    And god bless you

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      Good question. I want to know if anybody anywhere has made it for 4 years. I made it 7 months, then a little over a year and the third time is now over a year.  That's it so far!  Using radio frequency surgery where they burn the nerve. I hope this last one lasts more years or forever!

      oi!  Nerve pain is the worst.  Soldiers come back with nerve damage often and suffer from it badly.  My girlfriend's dad had it in his knee and when it went off, it was extreme! We are soldiers back from a war in our bodies it seems!

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      Hi I had a balloon compresion in 2013 So I have had 4 years pain free and still pain free (thank god) Hope this helps

      Patricia

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      Hi Patricia, that is great to keep this nasty and uncomfortable feeling from your self.

      Did you feel some disturbing in your self to have this balloon inside.

      Like sleeping on the side you have that.

      Or the cold or warm weather , chewing, did you stop using the nasty pills for the pain.

      Thanks for your time.

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      Hi Josie

      I didn't feel a thing cause I was knocked out . I think I just gradually stopped taking melds the day after. Then weaned myself off them . I haven't had any meds since. I feel so lucky to be free of pain 

      Patricia 

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