Husband just diagnosed positive pc - his # 6
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DR SAYS NO HURRY ON MAKING ANY DECiSION. HE IS HaVING HIM CONSULT with A RADIOLOGIST .
im sure we have A bunch of options but i think a 2nd opinion is first.
WELCOME ANY SUGGESTIONS, any shared stories etc.
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Supertractorman patty56475
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Don't rush for a second opinion as your PSA results will confirm if Cancer is there or getting worse. Listen to all options given, then make a choice, and then maybe a second opinion on what is best to do. Remember each Consultant has their own favourite option, so it is your choice in the end.
tom86211 patty56475
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Patty,
You didn't mention your husband's age. This is important because radiation is usually recommended for older (>70) patients and removal (RRP) is normally recommended for younger patients. This is because the robotic operation is major surgery, whereas the radiation is relatively easy - no hospital stay, no cutting. If you husband has Gleason 6 then he has plenty of time to interview doctors and decide what to do.
A major downside to the RRP operation is that it can take a year to regain full continence again. On the other hand, with the radiation there can be prostate irritation and swelling. I had that and had to use Foley catheters for almost six weeks until I could pee on my own again. Also, with radiation, the prostate is still there - so then you can have BPH issues later on. With the RRP the prostate is gone forever so no BPH problems.
I my case I had some radiation issues years later - numbness in my penis, loss of erections, and now bladder irritation that is keeping me up at night - typical symptoms of frequency/urgency/nocturia. I had my radiation five years ago - haven't had a good night's sleep in a couple of years. Thought this was from retention so I had a bipolar TURP operation three months ago - but still have a very sensitive bladder. Urologist calls this radiation cystitis. Very annoying.
Also, after the RRP you can later have radiation if the cancer returns. After radiation, it is a much more difficult operation to remove the prostate later.
The RRP success depends on the skill of the surgeon and surgical team, but the with radiation it's mostly controlled by the computer, so surgeon skill isn't a big issue, same with Proton Beam.
I had HD Brachytherapy - two sessions. Most external beam radiation is 40 sessions, very fast and easy, however. Proton Beam is also 40 sessions, very few places where this is done.
If I had to do this all over again I should have gone with the RRP because then I wouldn't have had to deal with BPH symptoms later. I have had a PAE and TURP, but am still taking Flomax twice per day. I didn't go with the RRP because I was concerned with permanent incontinence, but what I got was the opposite - retention, BPH aggravation and insomnia issues.
No way around this, difficult choices.
On the good side, Gleason 6 is fairly benign, and some doctors say this shouldn't be called cancer at all. You have a lot of time to decide what to do, if anything. Not doing anything (active surveillance) IS a treatment option but caused me anxiety. Getting a 12 core biopsy every 18 months was nothing fun. After I got my radiation and my PSA dropped to almost zero my anxiety went away.
My very best to you, Tom
patty56475
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thank you so much TOM. HIS DR. did give the wait and watch option which is what we will do until we can get other opinions .
ive heard once you get radiation, and it returns,its much harder to remove or cure. SO SCARY BUT I THANK u FOR THE INFO!
patty56475
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by tge wsy hes almost 62 years okd
tom86211 patty56475
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If you husband is 62 he is young enough to have his prostate removed. I found that the process of waiting and watching was causing me anxiety, especially after my second 12 core biopsy. That one showed "progression" - more cores positive, more tumors in each core. So, after consulting several urologists, I decided to move forward with treatment. PSA is not a good indicator of the cancer progression - can be just prostate enlargement or infection. A biopsy is superior and also a 3T MRI can show the details of any lesions. It's possible that nothing much will come of all of this, so you do have time to do your research and decide on the various options.
I am happy that my cancer is 100% gone now - PSA near zero and after my recent TURP the tissue samples were sent to the lab and no cancer was present, so the radiation worked. However, I still had my prostate and have had five years of aggravation with BPH symptoms and radiation side effects. It has been said that with the RRP most of the problems occur early, then improve. With radiation, it's easier, but the problems show up later - and that's exactly what I have experienced.
barney34567 patty56475
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Hi Patty,
As others have mentioned, your husband has time on his side.
A Gleason 6 is considered by many as not a cancer that will spread. It is at the bottom of the
scale ranging from 6 to 10.
If I was your husband I would have 3 monthly PSA tests and see what's the results. If the PSA rises dramatically ie doubles in a year, THEN it's time to consider options. It is also very probable that the PSA will stay constant over time in which case having no treatment is the best policy.
jordy21073 patty56475
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If you're comfortable with your husband's medical team, and that includes general practitioner & specialists, accept their advice. Wait & see is often the smart strategy. You will not get a lot of meaningful advice from this site, considering everybody's journey is unique and specific.
My PC diagnosis was agressive, localised & required attention; stage one cancer, carcinoma. I was headed for terminal outcome. I chose radiotherapy, not surgery, my choice.
Anti hormone treatments began January 2018 until May 2018. Radiation treatments began end of July 2018 for a month; 21 short bursts of radiation to targetted area of prostate.
Emotional side effects apparent all of last year, substance abuse didn't help, of course, not smart
Chronic side effect of radiation proctitis developed since February this year, ongoing, manageable. 'Normal' sexual ability returning, slowly. Nothing how I was before with sexual relations but something is returning, which is a 100% improvement on how I was 6 months ago.
You should trust your immediate medical team, otherwise ask them more questions.
I wish you & yours well.
henry84646 jordy21073
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Hello Jordy 21073
You didnt mention your age or your gleeson score.
But you went on to say terminal.
My Gleeson score was 9 and am Tb3 and high risk agressive.
I have had RT 38 doses 2 years of ADT AND HAD ALL THE SIDE EFFECTS IMMAGINEABLE.
NONE OF MY DRs have ever given me termindl or a prognosis
But i am not kidding myself that i am going to live to 90.
I am 75
Hope to hear from you
Henry
jordy21073 henry84646
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Hi Henry
I am 64 year old. My Gleason score at diagnosis in November 2018 was high enough for medical attention, like, not wait and see.
Urologist said, 'I can take it out', my immediate reaction was, no you don't what other optiond do I have. I was well used to screwing my way through life & I needed to keep what I had.
Radiation therapy has worked for me so far, I'm now cancer free & able to screw, although I don't really feel like doing so. Prostate seems to be on the mend but my real issue now is radiation proctitis, annoying. But hey, I'm alive & could stick my dick into something, so can't be so bad eh?
Regards, Jordy
jordy21073
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meant to say, diagnosis was November 2017 (not 2018)
barney34567 henry84646
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You are correct when you say you did not get a terminal diagnosis as most folk don't. For doctors, "terminal" means dead by a certain time, usually in the short-term. Many doctors consider "terminal" in the short term to be far worse than say living 20 years with pain, incontinence and an appalling quality of life. That is their mind set. It isn't mine and it isn't many patients'.
charles61038 patty56475
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The good thing is that you have time to research your options. And also good is you husbands age. He is young enough to choose any of several treatment options. I was 65 when I was diagnosed with a non aggressive prostate cancer - adenocarcinoma. My PSA was 5.9. A biopsy confirmed prostate cancer. 2 out of 12 samples showed cancer cells. I was told about several treatment options that would work for me. Included in the options was the 'wait and see' option, where you go every few months to get checked to see if the cancer has progressed. I met with an oncologist who was very knowledgeable and took the time to go over all treatments that were available for me. I didn't do the wait and see options because I thought if there was a treatment that would get rid of the cancer and be done with it, I would rather do that. Radiation was an option that sounded good. 36 short radiation treatments over 5 weeks. Then he told me about Cyberknife. Still a radiation treatment - but it was 5 sessions of treatments... 45 minutes per session. That sounded better... I was told that for both of these options, they want you to drink a large amount of water to make your bladder full. This was to help the bladder stay out of the way of the radiation for less chance of burning. The 3rd option I was told about was Brachytherapy. Low dose radiation seed implants. One procedure and you're done. It is done as an outpatient procedure that takes about 45 minutes. I liked the once and you're done idea. You are put under anesthesia for it. The low dose radiation helps not burn the bladder and colon. After you can pee for the nurses a time or two, you can go home. As with any treatment, there are side effects. Frequent urination, some burning when urinating and at times some urgency to urinate. It gets better fairly quickly. The low dose radiation from the seed implants is gone about about 8 months. It has been 2 years for me now and I have no side effects from it and everything works as it should. No incontinence or erectile dysfunction. Do your research on all treatment options. And what ever you decide, make sure the doctor has performed that treatment successfully many times. And like others have said in this forum, a doctor wants to do what his or her specialty is. So a surgeon may recommend surgery. Look at all your options and research the side effects and the success stories. I wish you and your husband the best.
tom86211 charles61038
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Charles,
You're lucky so far. I had HD Brachytherapy in 2014. My cancer is 100% gone, BUT, the prostate is still in place and I have suffered from BPH symptoms for several years - weak flow, frequency/urgency/nocturia. My penis went numb a few years ago, a side effect of the radiation. My ability to have an erection faded a couple of years ago. Now, my bladder is hyper sensitive - called radiation cystitis, so I feel like I have to pee all the time and it keeps me up at night. Haven't had a good night's sleep in several years. If I had this to over again I would have had my prostate removed (RRP). I had a PAE in 2017 - didn't do much for me. Three months ago I had a TURP - my flow is OK now, but I still can't sleep. I am not a fan of radiation at this point.
Hope all goes well for you in the coming years,
Tom
charles61038 patty56475
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Tom, I think the HD Brachytherapy is a bit different than the low dose seed implants that I had. Isn't the HD where they insert lines into the prostate for a time period and then remove them? From what I remember reading, they do this a few times over a few days. The low dose seed implants have worked for me. I liked the fact that it was a one time treatment. I was put on Tamsulosin (generic Flomax) and Dutasteride in the beginning to help with urine flow, and to keep the prostate from enlarging. After about 6 months, I was taken off both of them with no ill effects. I am going into my 3rd year and all seems to be pretty much back to normal. My urologist told me that after 8 months to a year, all side effects should be gone... and he was right. The side effects I experienced got less with time.
tom86211 charles61038
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Charles,
Yes, you are right about the HD Brachytherapy. In my case two treatments spaced 2 weeks apart. However, after the second treatment I had prostate swelling and was completely unable to pee. Pain got so bad I had to go to the emergency room. Never gone through any pain like that before. Nurse put in a Foley and drained off about 1200 cc of urine. All pain went away. Then, I had Foley's in and out for six weeks until the swelling went down and I could pee again on my own. Everything seemed to settle down until the side effects began to kick in a couple of years later. My biggest issue is that I now have chronic insomnia due to bladder irritation. Getting a decent night's sleep is a very, very big deal. I am not sayint that what I am going through will happen to everyone who has radiation, but it certainly happened to me. Getting the prostate removed gets the cancer and solves the BPH issues that occur later, so you get two for one. Also, there are no issues from radiation that can kick in years later. However, some men who have the removal never regain continence and that was what I was concerned about.
Anyway, what's done is done.
Tom