Hypnic/Hypnagogic/Sleep Starts Insomnia - Anybody Have This?
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Hi - I would like to ask if anybody on here has exhibited the following issues and, if so, what was their experience/how did they treat it/how did they manage it. I am asking because I feel (completely subjective) that my form of insomnia is very specific and a little niche, so I am in search for answers about what it is/what it means/what causes it, etc.
I am 30. For the just a little over a year now, I have had a form of sleep-start insomnia that has increasingly become more frequent over time. Basically, I will start drifting off to sleep and shortly as I drift, I will wake up. Sometimes it is an actual "hypnic jerk" ie. I actually feel my entire body jolt, or just one arm. Other times it isn't really an involuntary movement, but I will feel my pulse down my neck/upper back and wake up. Yet other times there is no physical sensation, only a mental sensation of very subtly becoming awake. This will happen repeatedly for about 2 hours. I haven't found out if it lasts all night because at around t+2 hrs I usually take a 5mg ambien and fall asleep for good.
It started last August and happened one night. It happened once in September of 2017. Then it came back in December of 2017 and occurred about twice a week for 3 weeks. In January of 2018 it happened about 3 times a week for 3 weeks. In March I was prescribed ambien by my former sleep neurologist, but luckily no bouts in March. In April I took a polysomnographic sleep study because I was being tested for sleep apnea (it runs in the family so I wanted to check it out - at the time not related to my insomnia). When I took the sleep study, I took a 10mg ambien and slept fine, was diagnosed with mild apnea (AHI of 12 with mostly hypopneas and very few apneas; below average amount of REM sleep (7% vs 20%) but, on the ambien, almost instantaneous sleep latency). June was when the insomnia really came back. It would occur basically about 3-4 times a week for a period of 3 weeks per month; this happened again in July, August, September, and this month. Oh, and I basically now cannot nap, even when I am tired. When I try to nap in the afternoons on a weekend, for example, the sleep-starts occur so frequently - basically immediately as I start falling asleep - that they are even worse than when I sleep at night.
Look, this might all just be anxiety, as I am an anxious person, though I basically never had sleep problems until last year. It might also be psychosomatic and increasing psychological anxiety about sleep snowballing. I am also aware that the increasing symptoms do positively correlate with my ambien prescription, which I know has rebound anxiety, insomnia, nervousness, disorientation as symptoms, as well as addiction. Needless to say I don't love the feeling I have the next day after I take ambien.
Additionally, for the past two weeks, I have noticed some small subtle muscle spasms and twitches. They aren't frequent and are very mild/subtle, though they tend to occur if I daydream or concentrate intently on reading a computer screen. Could just be stress caused by the insomnia + insomnia induced anxiety + ambien side effects, though I did have one episode for 2 days where every other hour my right chest muscle would just involuntarily twitch.
I am going to see a sleep neurologist (different from my last one, who is now out of my insurance) next week. What scares me is 1) how increasingly frequent these episodes are becoming over time and 2) the form of insomnia it takes, which is persistent sleep-starts, as opposed to just lying awake not having the urge to sleep (though I suppose that would be just as bad, if not worse knock on wood).
Anybody have any insights, advice, or similar experience? How did you manage if you did? Sometimes it the hardest part of this insomnia is not being able to have others understand what you are going through and telling you it's ok.
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randy66926 tiredoftired
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hey tired, I've had several episodes of jerking awake out of sleep and I'm also dealing with a ton of other sleep issues some similar to what you described. I now literally cant fall asleep on my own I cant nap or anything without ambien or lunesta. Lunesta keeps me asleep longer but I am having a sleep study done Thursday of this week Ill let you know if anything comes from that. Also another thing now is when I falls asleep without medicine which is very rare I will go straight into these crazy vivid dreams for 20-30 minutes then wake up again sweating... weird s**t man its very possible for it to be stress and anxiety in my situation as well Im not taking any medication for that although I've been considering it. Keep in touch and I'll do the same.
tiredoftired randy66926
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Hey Randy - how long have you had these symptoms for? when you do your sleep study will you be taking any ambien or lunesta, or are you supposed to go in dry? good luck man! I hope you find some answers and treatment.
tiredoftired
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as an update, I had another episode last night, making this 3 successive (4 if you count sunday afternoon) episodes this week. went to bed at 11 last night - getting the sleep starts. No real jolts or jerks, but mental sensations as well as some pulsing sensations. took a 5mg ambien at 12 and slept until 5. from 5-7 the sleep starts came back non-stop. A Lot pulsing sensations and even multiple subtle jerks of the hand, arm, and neck. One creepy thing to note is that a once or twice I will wake up hearing a small "ding" like a bell noise, but I swear it is coming from my thoughts and not from outside. this has happened a few times before. i am so tired I am basically hugging the bed, even though I can't fall into sleep.
randy66926 tiredoftired
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All this crazy stuff started two months ago in August. My doctor did tell me to bring the medication to the study so I will be taking that. Also something I forgot to mention was I too was diagnosed with mild sleep apnea a few months back so yet another thing we have in common.
tiredoftired
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I guess I may be talking to myself at this point but perhaps it will be of value to any fellow sufferers.
Thursday and Friday of last week were good - managed to fall asleep without any medication and sleeped through the night. Friday night is a bit of an asterisk because I drank a bunch with friends and kind of passed out with the lights on at 3 AM. Then managed to sleep without medication with the lights off from 530 - 930.
Saturday the issues came back, as did Sunday night (last night), and both merited ambien. Last night the sleep-starts were persistent - coming pretty much every 10-20 minutes from 1130 until 2:30, upon which I took an ambien. Woke up at 7 (alarm was for 8:15) - slept lightly from 7-8:15 but still had some sleep-starts. None of the sleep starts were "jerks" so much as they felt like pulsating heart beats that would course through my my right neck and shoulder. Each time they do there would be an adrenaline rush.