I can't seem to find my baseline energy level

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I have been sick for 11 years now.  It all started with a horrible case of mononucleosis (glandular fever).  I just never got better.  However, since I live in the U.S., I was told to power through and that I would get better: continue to work, excercise, get more rest.  Even after I went through a bunch of tests (not as many as people in the U.K. seem to get 'sigh' ), I was told to keep going.  I worked for 10 hours a day, tried to excercise, went to counseling, etc.  I guess it is no surprise that I just got sicker.  I am now trying to work only approx. 6 hours a day and from home.  No excercise either.  But, here is the problem.  I can't seem to figure out how much energy usage is too much.  The only days I feel good are when I spend day after day doing nothing much at all.  If I work, or go shopping, or clean up around the house, I feel terrible.  But I don't feel terrible right then.  I feel terrible in an hour or so or in a day or so.  So how the heck does anyone figure out what they can get away with during the day?  For me, it seems like a 'all or nothing' scenario.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to determine how much I can do without making me feel sicker?

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    It's really difficult, and I still mess it up too. I'm not sure if there is a 'best' way of doing things, but rather we've got to keep trying to find what's best for us. I think that just relaxing, being in the moment, and doing what I feel like works best. I find that what I can do does tend to naturally vary from day to day too.
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    No test for me in the UK I felt abandond with this terrible illness 32 years ago and have just had to get on with it and gradually getting worse. I manage it by resting as much as possible and know it I do too much one day it will effect me the next. if I go away on holiday for a week with no rest it takes me ages to get over it. I know this is going to happen. I have to pace myself. If I am out one eveing it will be another week before i can go out again on an evening. I try only to go out during the day every 2nd or 3rd day and then only in the mornings so I can spend most of the rest of the day in bed. I just get up to cook tea.I find it all very difficult and wish someone would come up with a cure.

    All the best. Everybody is different and we all find different ways of dealing with this terrible illness (there I have said it again)

    What really gets me is friends and family real misunderstanding of this condition even though I try to explain it to them.

    Alison

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      Thanks for the advice. I feel alone with this illness and it's nice to know what others are going through.
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    Hi Raven

    I have been the same in the past.. The only advice is pacing yourself from a “doing very little” and increase slowly, it is a skill that I needed to learn so I could discover what is too much for me and what didn’t make me sick again.

    I still have relapses where I have over stretched myself physically or mentally and that normally take 3-4 day to recover from such activity. I do not personally think one recovery method is better than any other as each person is different, its finding what works for you.

    Exercise at some point of ME/CFS is OK if its gentile and controlled, but the art is knowing when this is and not overdoing it, as there are times when it’s not wise to exercise as it will make your ME/CFS far worst, and hinder any recover. One key thing I have found is be a positive person and always look at the condition, and life in general as a glass is half-full person not half-empty.

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    i feel exactly the same i was just thinking the same thing about how i only mildly feel better on sundays when i literally do nothing, basically feel like im should be housebound at best,  
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    EXACTLY:   This is also my issue.....yes, if I decide to go somewhere/do something, I can usually struggle through it...but yep, I then need a couple of days at least to start again....even for me to keep my necesary apprts ( drs, physio etc), I need to Not do anything on the day prior, and then not book anything for at least the next few days....and yes, I guess that's why Im on the computor researching, alwys have a supply of Novels, reading materials etc, as I know that it is impossible for me even to keep social engagements as I don't know from one day to the next what I'm likely to be like...and I am getting very let down with myself for failing my friends (some don't know how bad I am...not because their not good friends, but because I havn't burdened them with my issues, knowing they have plenty of their own)..I had to cancel at last minute on friend's 50th birthday with an excuse which I know sounded weak....but JUST couldn't find the energy to go...
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      ditto. We have been away for 2 nights, after the first day I felt really terrible and we had to wait an hour for our meal in the hotel I felt so bad by the time it came I was not hungry. I would much rather stay in a cottage, then your time is your own. I feel so ill today and will take at least 5 days to get over it. I really have had enough of this and friend do not understand, they think that I should be refreshed after a break, very funny. I injured my shoulder in december and that is not getting better which is causing me so much pain. My husband says he understands but he doesn't. He just thinks of himself in all this, just for once can't he think of me, not obviously not. Sorry to rant I am just so exhausted.
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      Hi Allison;  I think I really understand where you are trying to go....as you say "your husband says he understands....but then only thinks re things that suit him"...exactly...they all say they understand, until you can't do for them what they want/you have always done for them...too true.  As a woman/wife, we are supposed to be there for all...but we just can't be there for them...and as our condition deteriorates/we are having bad days....we do get very frustrated when they ask of us what we really don't feel we can....I can't believe when our daughters decide to "take a holiday/night out/weekend away" and "Mum will look after our kids/animals/take them to school/do their washing...."  Mum needs the holiday..and what I mean to be a holiday, is somewhere where you are LOOKED after....I spent a month in Tasmania, in a motel (as my husband was woking there)...and all commented on how rejuvenated I looked....yes, someone made my bed, meals were provided, no cleaning...just rested and read book/computer/walked in the fresh air...that is what we need to get back on track, and what we sould like our families/friends to really understand. Is this you, Alison?  Keep hoping, and let them know exactly how bad you are feeling...even if it means "having a breakdown of tears...tell them no, "I can"t", even give them some reading material from this site, and they start to see where you are coming from, as we all can't be psychotic/neurotic can we..???
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      I have the same problem, but with work.  I now need to work at home to keep from falling apart every day.  I told my boss that I don't want to spend the rest of my life feeling like I am dying.  He, and many of the others at work, think and say that it looks like nothing is wrong with me and that I am lazy.  I hate it.  Somedays, (most days) I wish I could tear a hole in time and rest for about a year and then jump back into life at the same time I left.  I would really love to feel rested.  Truly, rested.  I am worried that may never happen again.  It makes me sad.cry
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    Hello Ravenwood, hello everybody.

    My name is Joe and im new here. First time I wanted to get some information, but now I want to tell my story and what I do to deal with it. Im suffering from fatigue since more than 35 years, but only one month ago this diagnose was made  by a psychiater. From the beginning until now it was a marathon from one doc to another. I wasted lot of money to an alternative healer. Without any result. I spent some weeks in three different sleeping labs within 15 years. They found out nothing. And my blood analysis - always good. Thank God. And when all examinations were done so far, my family doctor told me the diagnose depression. I couldn´t help laughing because I was depressed never in my lifetime. At least not without reason. On the  other hand the psyche is acting a part all of the time. So I got some pills, made a psychotherapie and became an out-patient in a psychosomatic hospital for 2 months. As you can imagine - I felt out of place. But what did I learn? Well, I learned  1. to pace myself. This is quite difficult. But believe me - it is really necessary. Everyday I spend some time with doing nothing but meditation. Autogenic training and-newly- Qi Gong are very good for me.  At the  2. I don t set myself under pressure. As for instance, not making  plans. All things I have to do I do them little by little. Or when a friend calls me for dancing next  week - I always say maybe.   3. Meanwhile I don´t fight  the exhaustion too much, because it will be stronger than me and I´ll feel the revenge.   4. I listen to my body because he tells me what is good and what is bad.  5.  I try to go for a walk as much as  I´m able. Sometimes10´a day and somtimes one hour. It all depends on my daily condition. -   Not following all those rules ends up in much more tiredness and exhaustion with all the symptoms like shiver, weakness, headache, vertigo and so on.

    Well I guess there is  no simple solution for each of us. We have to learn living with our desease and figure out what is useful and helpful or not. And never give up. In this sense all the best wishes from Joe. 

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      I agree, that we have to learn to live with the disease.  I suppose my problem is that I keep fighting.  I don't accept being sick very well.  I still keep hoping for the 'magic pill' that will make this all go away.  I know it doesn't exist, but I can't keep wishing.  I work on acceptance everyday.  It is hard, but I am trying to put my health (myself) first, and not my job.  Thanks for the advice.
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    Truthfully, I am just tired of fighting all the time.  I talked my boss into working at home, and that seems to help a bit.  I can take a break when I need too.  Also, I can lie down somewhat in my lazy-boy and put my laptop on my chest to work.  It's not too bad.  The problem is that I am still tired all the time.  I do feel a little better working from home, but still not rested.  It's like a 25% improvement only.  Sucks!  It seems like I would have to lay in bed, doing nothing, to actually feel better.  But, that seems stupid.  What would I do all day in bed?  TV hurts my ears, and I even get tired when I read.  Stare at the ceiling maybe?  What do you guys think?
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    You took the words right out of my mouth. All you describe here is exactly what I think and feel. Accepting the desease is necessary. So told me my psychiater. And I know she is right. As for me, I do so. At least I believe this. Because at the same time I m still hoping for the magic pill as well. Hope dies last is the device. And I m also not the guy who can´t do absolutely nothing. This is a big problem. Normally I have to lie down more often. But when I lie around, I cannot sleep. And then i m getting angry about myself. Too exhausted for doing anything and nonetheless not able to sleep. To be honest...I have now idea what all this will come to. I m off sick since 9 months. And I will try a reintegration in some weeks. And then...we´ll see...

     

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    The single most useful thing amongst all the advice I was given when diagnosed 10 years ago was when I was shown a wavy line representing the energy of my daily life. All the peaks and troughs were lined up so that 3 horizontal lines could be drawn, 1 through the peaks, 1 through the troughs and 1 through the centre. Then follow the wavy line with your finger - on a good day, a peak, you crack on and try to achieve loads with the inevitable slide down to a trough and a bad day. It's a roller coaster which in itself is an exhausting way to live. SO - instead of the frantic up and down wavy life line you have to try to live on a calm straight life line. The line through the peaks is unachievable, not just for us but no one can live at that pitch permanently. The line through the troughs is achievable but life wouldn't be much fun. So you have to aim for the centre line and that does mean pulling yourself up to it from the troughs but it also means pulling yourself down to it from the peaks and not doing so much just because you're having a good day. I had this done for me on a piece of paper and I thought it just made so much sense. I hope my attempt to depict with words has worked because I believe this is what pacing is truly about. Of course life throws unexpected and unwished for stuff at you eg my elderly parents are starting to need more care now but I try hard to keep to the spirit of the centre line in the parts of my life I'm in control of.
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      I like your advice.  It is quite good.  Thanks!  Now, I have to figure out how to do it.  I have the false belief that I'm not sick.  So, I always want to push myself through.  I know this is wrong, but it's a belief that is hard to change; although, I am trying.  I will keep your sine wave in my head.  No peaks!  No troughs!
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      Of course it's not possible to stick to exactly all the time. Some things you have to push for, to get to a doctor's appointment say and some things are worth pushing for like a special family celebration and sometimes you're just plain ill and in a trough and that's that! But as a guiding principle I think it's illuminating. Wishing you all the best Ravenwood. And a hug! 

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