I feel like I can't take a deep breath
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I have been trying to figure this issue out for 3 years. It feels like I physically can't take a deep breath, all the time - 24/7, no matter what I am doing. This issue started when I turned 19, my sophomore year in college. I have had a chest x-ray, an EKG, an ECHO. I have had my hormones and thyroid levels checked. I have gone to an asthma-allergy doctor. I have seen a psychiatrist and tried 9 different medications for anxiety. I have seen a counselor for a year and a half and have not found anything that helps or any answers. I do not identify with Generalized anxiety due to the simple fact that this issue persists all of the time, even when I am (or should be) at my most relaxed. I have been told that it seems like my brain has been re-wired and almost stuck in "fight mode" (fight-or-flight) which I could see as a possibility. I am currently trying biofeedback/ neurofeedback, which I am optimistic about. I just want to see if anyone has had a similar issue or has any suggestions.
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lauren1090 kenzi2994
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Hello Kenzi!
I hope you resolved this issue and are feeling better. I am going through the same thing myself and its driving me insane. I have had all the possible tests and everything comes back OK.
If you are still here and found a solution for this please let me know as i am so desperate nothing seems to work, and nobody seems to understand it. 😦
chris92726 kenzi2994
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You have practically described everything I've been experiencing for years now. It is the worst feeling and to not have an explanation of what's causing these issues is very frustrating. I'm currently 33 years of age and last year My Rheumatologist diagnosed me with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome possibly from a virus I got when I travelled to Indonesia back in 2009. I also show auto immune symptoms similar to Lupus & now for the last 4-5 years my breathing issues have worsened. I feel like I can't get the breath in even when relaxed but if I make my self yawn I get some relief but only temporarily. I also have pain in my chest and in my left shoulder. Doctor's just tell me its probably CFS, Fibromyalgia, Allergies and recommend antidepressants even though I don't feel depressed?? I used to feel quite fit & strong but now I'm struggling with the simplest of things. I strongly believe there's an underlying issue going on. I just hope the doctors are doing the right testing. Sometimes it feels heart related but doctors don't seem to think so.
lauren1090 chris92726
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Hi Chris,
I totally understand you and what you are experiencing. I am a 29 years old person and have been very healthy and in good shape my whole life, and this just started randomly for me. I am going through this myself and its the worse. Some days its gets better and some days its worse. I truly am starting to believe this is all anxiety ( even though i dont feel anxious about anything, or maybe we feel anxious about our health and then the viscous cycle begins i believe this is all in our heads. Like you said i am not depressed either and i dont think this is depression but from my extensive research i feel like this is some form of OCD thats been developed where you keep thinking and concentrating on your breathing 24/7 except when sleeping. I sleep ok at night and this mostly starts when i wake up.
However, i wanted to add that i started taking some supplements lately vitamin B12 and vitamin D and i feel like i am feeling somehow better when i take these supplements. Just adding this in there in case if you want to try because i know that anything helps.
chris92726 lauren1090
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Hi Lauren, thanks for your message. Hopefully one day we can go back to feeling good again. my doctor has recently given me a prescription for a steroid to see if it will help boost me up a bit and also I'm considering the CBD oil to try help with eleviating the pain. I've recently joined the CFS page on Facebook and have noticed a few people on there speaking highly about B12 & vitamin D and now you've recommended it I'll definitely give that a go. Thanks again, I hope you feel a lot better soon too!
joules89882 lauren1090
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I've had a similar thing and found out I was severely deficient in vitamin D so you might be on to something there. Have you had any testing done? PFT or spirometry?
sharon68845 kenzi2994
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Also to add to my previous posts, It seems to have flared up again albeit not as bad as my first episode. I have also linked these 2 times with a back muscle problem, to clarify the breathing causes no pain or discomfort whatsoever, just that sensation of needing to take a deep breathe every minute or so.
I wonder if it is a muscle restriction?
The way I describe it is as if something is physically restricting my deep breaths. I am aware something is aggravating me to think I need a deep breath.
I am back on Omeprazole and still taking iron supplements so in theory this shouldnt have come back. Confused again.
RebeccaH44 kenzi2994
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lots of this sounds like chronic hyperventilation syndrome which I have been diagnosed with. I have that same sensation that I can’t catch my breath and my body involuntarily draws in an extra breath. Your body can also do this by yawning or coughing or sighing It is possible to treat with breathing exercises. Our bodies need to be retrained to not breathe as much as they are. This sounds totally counterintuitive but if you google chronic hyperventilation syndrome it makes sense. our bodies have become used to too little CO2 and will do whatever it takes to dispel it when we sctually beed it Whether that’s sighing yawning or gulping for air. what our bodies are actually doing is taking in more in order to dispel more. There is a technique which can help called Buteyko breathing. This helps you reduce your breathing and the symptoms will drastically reduce. As a first measure you can sit calmly, breathe through your nose and try to stifle those yawns and sighs which will make everything worse again. Try this for 20 minutes!
don’t dismiss this as the same as hyperventilation through a panic attack. I don’t suffer from anxiety and this developed over a period of time, which can happen.
lots of GPs don’t know about this, but I have found a respiratory physio who uses Buteyko. hope this helps.
sharon68845 RebeccaH44
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Funny enough, whenever I try to explain this to anyone it always starts with...
"It's almost like I'm in a permanent hyperventilation state but without the panic"
Thanks for the advice xx
fuelbox kenzi2994
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So much great info in this forum.
I've been experiencing the inability to always take a deep breath for almost a year now. It's been getting worse and now I struggle daily.
My GP prescribed daily walks and yoga (cobra pose). The yoga hasn't seemed to help, although maybe it's because I'm not doing it right or enough.
But the physical issue with the ribs that was previously mentioned sounds like a great clue for me. Because my symptom seems to have gotten worse as I've gained weight. So maybe my issue is more physical.
So I've made a list of things I'll be trying:
Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and ideas.
KettleDrum kenzi2994
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Ive been suffering from this for the last 3 weeks. Started out of the blue on the train on the way in to work one morning. Not a particularly stressful day, just another random Wednesday.
Ive had a bunch of tests:
Blood Sat : Normal (99%)
ECG : Normal (3 ECGs in the last 8 months)
Echocardiogram: Normal
Spirometry: Normal
Chest X-Ray: Normal
Blood Tests: Normal (various blood tests including FBC and Thyroid Function)
I've spoken to 3 GPs, a Respiratory Consultant and a Cardiologist - they're of the view that this is anxiety/stress related.
A few things ive noticed about this symptom:
I'm now looking into CBT to try and get it resolved.
Wondering if anyone has experienced similar?
lauren1090 KettleDrum
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i suffered from this and severely for about 5 months straight then it started going away slowly but it was still there in certain instances like it has never gone 100%. Done all the tests from ct scan to xray to blood work, wore a holter monitor, ekg, echogram everything was normal doctors always would say its anxiety. I did some research online and it was saying to take vitamin d and vitamin b12. i have been taking these for about 1 month and half now and i honestly feel soooo much more better. i experience this feeling or breathing issues whatever it is much more less. if doctors have cleared you and nothing is wrong with you physically give vitamin b12 and D a try it wouldn't hurt. When i told the doctor that when i started taking b12 and d i was feeling better he was laughing and said its probably all in my head but if those make me feel better i should continue to take them.
Hope this helps and hope you feel better! this will go away just give it time. Its most likely anxiety and thinking to much about it.
joules89882 KettleDrum
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Did you happen to get a copy of your spirometry chart? Also see my reply to the original post.
sharon68845 kenzi2994
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Please read my previous posts as I am updating this regularly...I had started a diet recently and it cleared up, figured I was feeling good about myself, so maybe it was anxiety. UNTIL...I tried a piece of chocolate as a treat , ot flared up again, but not too bad.
3 days off chocolate, cleared up. Chocolate this morning and bam...my GP said it could be a sensitivity to chocolate which is provoking a silent GERD effect, Omeprazole if needed but otherwise, looks like I will be steering clear of chocolate now! (and good riddance if it causes this!!). Worth a try, its amazing what the smallest most 'innocent' food can do!?
Merry Christmas everyone xx Good health for 2020 xx
fran24980 kenzi2994
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hey! is anyone experiencing stomach pains as well? im starting to freak out a little.
berrygirlgwen kenzi2994
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Hello, I'm a 44 year old pharmacist and I've been experiencing this issue for the past 3 months. I know just enough about the medical field to have diagnosed myself with everything from asbestosis to ALS. This has been the worst few months of my life.
Right after Thanksgiving, I began having the terrible inability to take a deep breath which led me to panic. I somehow got in with a pulmonologist 5 days later and remember thinking if they don't help me, I'm jumping off a bridge because this is unbearable. I have two kids and wouldn't really do that but it had me in a terrible state. I went to ER and urgent care while waiting for pulm appointment. Chest X-ray at ER was okay and urgent care gave me some Xanax, which helped a little. At the pulmonologist appt, she mentioned X-ray looked a little hyper-inflated and "emphysema-ish" but said it could be normal since I'm thin (?) I've never smoked but I guess you can still get it, so then it stuck in my mind. Anyway, PFTs showed some obstruction, partially reversible with bronchodilator. So they said maybe asthma (which I've never had) triggered by GERD since I also have gastroparesis (of unexplained origin of course) where there's a delay in my stomach emptying food. As for GERD- I never feel heartburn but apparently silent GERD can lead to aspiration of food into lungs, which would explain why I was waking up gasping like I lost my breath. She also made a comment to NP "Why does she have gastroparesis? Have we thought of hemi-diaphragmatic paralysis?" which COMPLETELY freaked me out. Anyway, tried a steroid/bronchodilator inhaler that night and felt the first relief yet. I was much better for about 3 weeks, continuing on the daily inhaler. Then it came back beginning of January. I saw a second pulmonologist who said the original PFTs were crap because my effort was poor. He said we could do methacholine challenge but I doubt you have asthma. He said breathing issues at rest are almost always anxiety. Ugghh I do actually get short of breath climbing stairs and talking as well but it's true my main complaint is the inability to take a deep breath, even at rest. They set up another PFT/spirometry and I later demanded a HR chest CT. Now I need to mention something I did two days before the symptoms originally developed. I've never smoked anything in my life, but that Friday after Thanksgiving I took two puffs of a relative's vaping pen (THC). Yes, complete idiot with all this vaping injury in the news. I mentioned it to the pulmonologist and he laughed it off (the 2 puffs I guess). A little too coincidental for me though. They don't know why it only affects certain people out of nowhere, so why not me? A hypersensitivity or something. He thought I was anxious because I had vaped when in reality the vaping didn't even occur to me until about 2 weeks into this whole ordeal. So I get the CT and it doesn't say "clear chest" as I would assume. Instead it mentions things like thickening and bronchiectasis, things you shouldn't have according to my Google search; things that point to asbestosis, mesothelioma, pulmonary fibrosis and all your basic nightmares. Yet the pulmonologist says he looked at the scan and there's nothing to worry about. Huh? Why is the stuff mentioned then, even if it says mild and occasional?
**To anyone out there who got the chest CT (especially high resolution)- Did the radiologist note anything on your report? Is it typical for them to note small things that aren't ultimately (clinically) a big deal? How the heck am I supposed to know the difference?? It freaked me out! So I went back to the original pulmonologist and she concurred with the other pulm that there was nothing of concern on the scan. As for bronchiectasis, it doesn't go away but you want to make sure it doesn't get worse by treating any lung infections right away, etc. I've never even had lung infections that I know of...so where did that come from?? It's usually a result of multiple past infections.
So at this point, I'm searching 1) vaping injuries, 2) asbestosis/mesothelioma because I've used Johnson's baby powder for 3 decades on upper body (breathed it in) and apparently the talc contained asbestos (as you've probably seen in the news), 3) ALS which I won't even get into because that was ruled out. 4) Also, I saw a neurologist who tested my phrenic nerve (reluctantly because he said it's not going to be an issue). The nerve controls your diaphragm and sure enough he couldn't get a normal read on the right side after like 20 attempts. So he did needle EMG and said it's fine, that's not causing it. Why is every test coming up abnormal but yet they say it's not causing it? Let me not forget to mention- that second PFT/spirometry I had done was normal except for 55% on DLCO (diffusing capacity of O2 for CO2) - not good. Again- don't be concerned, we'll re-test in 6 months (sigh). Also, maximum expiratory pressure was a bit low. Why are these things abnormal if they don't explain it? I will say DLCO was not abnormal in the first PFT but that was a different office and I felt the second test was performed much better.
They want me to do cardiopulmonary stress test (may show something on diffusing evening and the heart rate stays around 100. I'm at my wit's end because this horrible breathing issue is still there. I've raised my bed and taken Pepcid daily, don't eat after 7pm etc. to rule out the reflux/aspiration cause. I guess it's helped not wake up gasping for air but I'm still having the smothered issue during the day. I can't take a deep breath but maybe every fifth attempt and it feels like there's something coating my throat, also like there's a lump in it (throat symptoms might support GERD). When it feels very mucus-y I take guaifenesin and it seems to help my breathing somewhat. I don't know if that's the bronchiectasis causing that but I thought people cough a lot (and produce phlegm) when bronchiectasis flares up (not so much have breathing issues). I feel like they should have given me an antibiotic just in case. Oh! and I did take an oral steroid for about a week that a family member had since pulm didn't want to prescribe one. I did that in case the vaping injury was real (and maybe too mild to be obvious on CT). I wanted to do what I could to treat if it was vaping related, granted 2 months later a steroid probably isn't as effective. However, it did seem to help for the days I took it but now it's back. Unfortunately, I can't just keep taking steroids because of side effects so I stick to the inhaled one. This is just a depressing ongoing mystery and I have to be my own detective because they just don't know- too many specialists if you ask me. No one puts the whole body together anymore. Where is Dr. House??capacity for oxygen). I also saw cardiologist and he ordered ECHO plus two week monitor because I do get palpitations sometimes and random tachycardia of 115-120 range when not exercising. Yet I'm able to take 20-30 minute brisk walks every evening and the heart rate stays around 100. I'm at my wit's end because this horrible breathing issue is still there. I've raised my bed and taken Pepcid daily, don't eat after 7pm etc. to rule out the reflux/aspiration cause. I guess it's helped not wake up gasping for air but I'm still having the smothered issue during the day. I can't take a deep breath but maybe every fifth attempt and it feels like there's something coating my throat, also like there's a lump in it (throat symptoms might support GERD). When it feels very mucus-y I take guaifenesin and it seems to help my breathing somewhat. I don't know if that's the bronchiectasis causing that but I thought people cough a lot (and produce phlegm) when bronchiectasis flares up (not so much have breathing issues). I feel like they should have given me an antibiotic just in case. Oh! and I did take an oral steroid for about a week that a family member had since pulm didn't want to prescribe one. I did that in case the vaping injury was real (and maybe too mild to be obvious on CT). I wanted to do what I could to treat if it was vaping related, granted 2 months later a steroid probably isn't as effective. However, it did seem to help for the days I took it but now it's back. Unfortunately, I can't just keep taking steroids because of side effects so I stick to the inhaled one. This is just a depressing ongoing mystery and I have to be my own detective because they just don't know- too many specialists if you ask me. No one puts the whole body together anymore. Where is Dr. House??
joules89882 berrygirlgwen
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Hey I have had a similar thing going on (see my other reply to the original poster). I'm not sure if it notifies everyone else who replied to this that I also replied? Anyways, I only made an account on this website to reply to this chain. I was wondering if you've seen any of your spirometry charts? You sound like the kind of person who might have asked for a copy to look at yourself?