Inguinal Hernia - Should i go for mesh or not
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Hi Friends, I have got Inguinal Hernia and now after doing a bit of research , i found that there are few people facing issues with Mesh.
I would like to know whoever operated here have any issues with mesh?
What is the best way to get Inguinal Hernia operated?
Thanks
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clive_04424 venkata06864
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Hi Venkat:
A year ago I had my inguinal hernia operated on arthroscopically (keyhole surgery) and mesh inserted (the only way they do it in the UK under the NHS). I have had no real problems. I occasionally "feel" it, mostly after exertion, by which I mean I know it's there, but it's not even really discomfort, and certainly not pain. I chose keyhole surgery after talking to others. You can expect a shorter recovery time, although the difference is, by all accounts, not huge . But someone who had had it done both ways (one on each side) strongly recommended the keyhole route. My recovery was a few days to where I barely noticed it (with the help of painkillers, of course) and about a week before I was fully up and running (not literally! that took a bit longer) again.
There are some people who will tell you mesh is the devil's work and not to go down that route. I was vehemently and personally attacked by one of them on this site when I suggested it was a very small percentage indeed that had problems with the mesh. But I still have not seen any statistical information that suggests otherwise. Clearly, there are those who suffer pain and complications afterwards, but I believe that if the numbers were truly significant, the medical establishment would be reviewing their approach. My impression is that doctors do not regard themselves as infallible, and they are willing to change procedures if there are significant numbers of issues. (After all, they still work to "do no harm".) But finally the choice is yours. Just do your research online into the downstream effects of both mesh and non-mesh (if your health plan offers it) solutions and make your decision. I'm sure whatever you choose will be right for you. It's a very safe and routine operation, and you should be in good shape and pain free once it's taken care of. Best of luck!
venkata06864 clive_04424
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Thank you Clive. Your response gave a good amount of confidence on Mesh operation.
May i know which doctor has done your surgery?
clive_04424 venkata06864
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I can't remember his name now! But it was at Heatherwood Hospital in Ascot.
Esoteric venkata06864
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Ah yes, it's Clive again ignoring real data and information. I was the one that challenged his "medical expertise" in a previous post. I've actually experienced a horrible experience with the mesh (along with other people on this site) and he ignores facts and numbers when it comes to the mesh. There wouldn't be class action lawsuits if it wasn't an actual issue. I would highly suggest looking into a non-mesh procedure and look into the actual facts before you get a mesh put in. Once my mesh was removed my life got to start again. I know it's tough to find a surgeon that does non-mesh repair in the UK but that's because mesh companies have made it considered the normal procedure before all the faults and negative reactions happened. I only go on here to help others from dealing with the horrible pain I had to go through. Good luck!
clive_04424 Esoteric
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Perhaps if you directed us to the source of this "real data and information" we would be more persuaded that this is not just based on anecdote and personal experience. I am absolutely open to seeing the statistical data on mesh issues and failures. Could you give us the online coordinates to the studies and data to which you refer? Another writer here has referred to rates of 20-30%. It would be great to know where these figures come from.
mike_47305 venkata06864
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hi there
I had my inguinal hernia repair done in 2014 using the mesh. Since that time I have been in chronic pain. 1 year spend on that on pretty much bed rest. In 2016 I went for a 2nd surgery to fix what they thought was a mesh tear which was the cause of my pain.
This 2nd surgery was pointless as they didn't see anything wrong as to what was the root issue of my nightmare.
Since then I have been receiving freezing injections on the nerve. Finally after 5 years of hell they will be doing another surgery to see if they can safely remove the mesh or they will cut and kill the nerves.
jonah30439 venkata06864
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hi i am another victim of mesh.
There are some things you should know regarding mesh.
The stats on chronic pain from mesh surgery are constantly changing and are rising. Some estimates are now showing complication rates as high as 20-30%.
Recently there has been an ever increasing spotlight on women treated for incontinence and prolapse with mesh made out of the same material used in hernia repairs.
These women who suffered complications were essentially gas lighted as their complaints fell on deaf ears form their surgeons and doctors.
This is the exact same enviorment people with pain from hernia mesh repairs find themselves in today.
Which brings me to a couple if points
The decision is yours to make. Some people do fine with mesh some don't.
The problem if you are in the camp of people who dont do well here are some things to know and consider
ITS NOT MADE TO COME OUT AND VERY FEW SURGEONS ARE SKILLED ENOUGH TO REMOVE IT
AFTER 6 months of suffering and unable to work i found a surgeon out of state who saw on the same cat scan that evwryone else had sad was fine that my mesh had balled up.
I HAD SURGERY TO REMOVE IT-and it was way worse. it had completely balled up and was rock hard. it had attached itself to my bladder, spermatic cord, illiac vein and artery and my colon.
3 1/2 hour surgery to remove it.
THE POINT ISNT WHETHER YOU WILL BE ONE OF THE UNLUCKY ONES OR NOT BUT IF YOU ARE YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY SCREWED. you will be abandoned by the medical community, you will have to most likely travel and pay out of pocket if you are lucky to find someone to remove it with no guarantee that you will feel better. remember it incorporates into your body making removal very challenging. NOTHING WORSE THAN PAIN IN YOUR PRIVATE AREA.
DO YOUR RESEARCH. mesh industry is a billion dollar industry and many surgeons are consultant for the mesh companies. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARENT MANY SURGEONS WHO DO NON MESH REPAIRS BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE!
Esoteric jonah30439
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This sums it up nicely. Finding concrete data on any of it is hard because a majority of the bad cases are listed as successes because they cured the hernia. Totally ignoring the chronic pain afterwards. They do whatever it takes to bury bad press and faulty meshes, etc.
There was an episode on Last Week Tonight by John Oliver about this very issue we're discussing. It's on HBO and worth a watch.
clive_04424 Esoteric
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I'm afraid I'm still not convinced by this conspiracy theory. Who is the "they" who do whatever it takes to bury bad press etc.? Doctors are constantly looking to change procedures that are superseded by better ones. I've never met one that would do otherwise. The mesh manufacturers would indeed have an interest in so doing, but who are they in league with? They can't bury it by themselves because medical practice is very closely and independently scrutinised. You mentioned class action lawsuits: can you provide any details of the where, when and what of these suits? It all still seems very sketchy to me, particularly in this age of fake news.
Esoteric clive_04424
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Ha, fake news. Should have known we were dealing with a far right idiot. I'm sure you don't believe in man made climate change either. Not really worth wasting breath on.
clive_04424 Esoteric
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Oh dear. I'm sorry you've decided to take the discussion in this direction. I'm very far from the person you've concluded I am, but that's beside the point. The existence of fake news on social media is a fact, not a political judgment. People are persuaded to believe things just because they get repeated. Hence the crisis with parents not vaccinating their children. "Evidence be damned, I've read it in the Internet. And I'm willing to risk my child's health and the health of many others because of it". So my insistence on evidence is not prejudice, it's an attempt to dig out the truth. Which I'm afraid you've just blocked, rather shooting yourself and your argument in the foot, but also depriving anyone else of any factual basis for your assertions.
scarymonster venkata06864
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I had a mesh repair almost 2 years ago now. After a lot of research I opted to go private so that I could choose my own hernia specialist. It was open not keyhole and the healing time is somewhat longer than what I expected. However I am now left with no pain or discomfort and hopefully it will stay that way! I am worried about the other side now though so will probably be making another visit at some stage. 😦 damit lol.
I had the operation at the Hospital of St John & St Elizabeth and my consultant was Mr Martin Kurzer.
Mickfinn scarymonster
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I had my open procedure with mesh at the St John & St Elizabeth under Mr Navaratnam 10 days ago. He seems to have done an excellent job and so far minimal pain. Hope it stays that way. I lifted something to heavy on day 9 and wish i had not worried i've undone some of his good work
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