Jointace, Devils Claw, Osteocare or glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM any good?
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I was diagnosed with severe OA three weeks ago.. Currently taking Naproxen and codeine. I really don’t like all this prescription stuff and prefer natural therapy, because I want something sustainable. I have started a yoga beginners course and am looking to join a local support group. At the moment I wake up every morning and I have screaming pain in my feet, especially the right one. My GP is useless, says it is incurable.. cannot believe it.. I realise this a long haul issue, but surely there is something to help me. Can anyone recommend some natural supplements? .. is any of the high street stuff any good?
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wknight paul95480
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Take a step back and look at what happens with OA. In my case the cartilage is eventually worn away so think about it, its bone rubbing on bone so it will hurt. You may find a natural pain relief but generally you need something stronger. I found that Ibuprofen gel would give some relief.
Unfortunately your GP is right and is not useless, OA at the moment is not reversible.
In my case I am lucky that after years of problem, it got bad enough for surgery from which I am recovering now and its gone really well and movement is back. For you though there may not be any solution.
Pats121 paul95480
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Paul - sorry to hear you have got OA. You are not alone! Personally, I am all over natural cures and have been taking green lipped mussel, amitamin arthro360 and extra 2,000mg of omega-3 for about 2 years. Yes, it is 7 or 8 tablets, but better than 15 LOL and seems to be working for my joints and bones. The main nutrients you need to make sure you take together are MSM, Glucosamine, Chondroitin and omega-3. Most of it is included in amitamin arthro360, natural chondroitin comes from the green lipped mussel. I then take extra omega-3s (the more the merrier), which both help reduce the inflammation. I found this combination on an OA forum in the US. To be honest I don’t understand the science behind all the stuff I am taking, but it is natural and working :-) Yes, it may or it may not work for you, because everyone is different, but there is only way to find out. I used to have terrible arthritis in my hip and it is a lot better... sometimes I still take paracetamol, but as long as I walk regularly I am fine 90% of the time. My GP wanted to give me Naproxen + Omeprazole, but I decided to go the natural route and nothing else. I researched this cocktail myself and feel fine! The pain is a lot better, I don’t have any side-effects and am not putting useless drugs into my body.. Good luck Paul!
Mishe55 paul95480
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try anything mentioned in responses to your post as it may work for you
I have had OA for over 30 years now and I take natural remedies use uni inflammatory cremes and take pain killers when I need them. Above all you need to maintain gentle exercise.
As for joint replacements they do provide relief but they do not last for ever so once you go that route sooner or later you will need more surgery.
Sadly your GP is right OA is not curable so far but it can be managed and it has periods when it does get better.
I do a lot of yoga, Pilates and meditation as I know that I can manage the pain by controlling my thoughts
it takes quite a bit of training and perseverance but it is totally possible to live with the same pain but notice it much less.
I have had OA from really age due to orthopedic surgeries in childhood so my choice was to learn to live with it or be miserable for ever.
Keep reading and keep trying different things
so you can work out the best regime
all the best
alan46653 paul95480
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Mishe55 alan46653
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What you wrote sounds very interesting but a little misterious
what is it you take?
It sounds a little strange that you are taking something that has not gone through trials yet is available on the market.
And finally, if you do not mind sharing, which country you live in?
My GP is very progressive and will prescribe if there is scientific support for the medication and risks are reasonable. All medications have side effects but some are more dangerous than others
Many thanks Alan
Mishe
alan46653 Mishe55
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rose43746 alan46653
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First of all, I am sorry to hear that you are in so much pain, Paul!
I am not going to give you any advice here. I will suggest a potential route for you going forward, but I want you to discuss this with your GP/doctor.
Unfortunately, he/she isn’t wrong. OA is a degenerative disease, which cannot simply be reversed.
However, clinical trials have shown that (1) its progression can be slowed and (2) its symptoms can be reduced.
This can be achieved with either pharmaceutical drugs, micro nutrients (also called nutraceuticals, which we get from food such as glucosamine, omega-3s etc, but often not in sufficient dosages) OR a combination of both.
Glucosamine has been shown effective in treating OA in many clinical studies. This article cites over 80 studies and concludes that "we should consider the use of glucosamine as a combination therapy with other drugs or other nutraceuticals, such as omega-3 fatty acid or manganese ascorbate.” Julie53120 below can testify to that.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3392795/
alan46653’s statement is therefore not incorrect.
Paul95480, I therefore suggest you consider a combination supplement therapy. This should include at least the micro nutrients glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM and omega-3 fatty acids. There are several products on the market, which combine many of these nutraceuticals such as aminoexpert arthropro, vitaboitics Jointace or amitamin arthro360, which pats121 mentions above.
Now Paul, please discuss with your GP/doc how you can best combine the micro nutrient supplements with your NSAID & painkiller to try and wean you off both of them.
I argue this is a good strategy, because this article (citing 30 studies) concludes that “long-term treatment of glucosamine sulfate may reduce the dependence of NSAID usage and delay the disease progression. Thereby, we can reduce the NSAIDs side effects and improve the patient's quality of life."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3346693. ;
Finally, from a scientific perspective, do not disregard the placebo effect. Knowing that you are taking something that you believe in is likely to have an effect on the outcome, whether clinically proven or not.
I hope all of this makes sense. Do keep us updated if you decide to go down this path. Good luck!
paul95480 rose43746
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julie53120 paul95480
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i took glucosamine and chondritine years ago, but didn't realise they were actually helping because within a year of stopping my hand joints started to become very misshapen- so did it help or would my hands have got worse even if I had stayed on glucosamine again now, wish I had not stopped. I am on naproxen also which numbs the pain a little. I probably haven't helped!!!!!!
loxie paul95480
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Mishe55 loxie
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the wisest words so far
thank you
the fresh ginger tea is something I used to drink but forgot about
will now go back to it thanks to you
THANK YOU LOXIE
alan46653 loxie
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alan46653 paul95480
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Mishe55 alan46653
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I have been talking to my amazing and a world class Orthopeadic surgeon about ankle replacement for several years now and he continually asks me to wait as he explains that the procedure is not refined enough and the replacement's life is short as compared to lets say knee replacements. You are likely to have 5-7 years before you need a new ankle. For me it is much too short gain for the kind of intervention it is.
Mechanical damage has everything to do with OA as OA causes changes and those changes effect in damage. Nothing in our bodies is in a vacuum, it is all connected and one thing causes problems with the next and the chain reaction continues.
loxie Mishe55
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