Kidney Stones don't just disappear do they?

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my 27 year old Son had a 8mm stone that they found on a CT scan, they went took him in for laser surgery last night and found nothing but a swollen kidney, the doctor says he must have passed it but my Son says he didn't now wouldn't you know if you passed a stone that big?? He has a very high and unusual tolerance to pain but not that high and he's been keeping an eye on his urine after urination can they just disappear?

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    That size is unlikely to have passed by itself but not unknown. However, it depends where the stone was. Has a follow up appointment been made to discuss the surgery? If so they will discuss the outcomes and plans. Some stones are within the kidney and can't be reached. It may be one of those.
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      We are waiting to hear from the doctors office for his follow up next week, the CT  scan was 1/7/16 and they missed the stone, he had a ultrasound 3/2/16 and found nothing but rechecked the CT scan and found the stone by his pelvic bone that's why they couldn't do the shock wave treatment and went with laser.  If he passed the stone between 1/7 & 3/2 he would of most certainly known. 
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    Sounds strange that one scan should find it and give it a size, but another procedure doesn't.

    Is he getting symptoms?

    I would have expected him to know if it had passed.

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      Yes he still feels like he can't empty his bladder and gets pain in his kidney off and on, this all started in November and he's getting very frustrated, we are thinking of going outside of our city for a new doctor. 
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    Has he had a follow up scan, or was Fluoroscopy used during the procedure? I would have thought it quite possible to miss it using a Ureteroscope, as that is dependant on entering the correct part of the kidney to get a good view of it, and I have heard of cases of not being able to acess and find a stone this way and needing more open surgery to remove it!
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      Follow up is next week and no he didn't have a Fluoroscopy it was the ureteroscope with laser lithotripsy so maybe it's to deep in the Kidney. I don't know and we are really frustrated. 
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      I can symptahise, Urology is THE speciality that most herds large numbers of patients through the system like cattle; blink and you feel you might miss some of it, so it's hard to get to the bottom of problems.

      I have been left with significant (new!) pain following Uretersocopic Lithotripsy 2 years back and have just had to get on with it, getting an explaination or diagnosis simply hasn't happened, so I understand how frustrated you feel.

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    I have had several stones and surgerys. So from my experience he would have felt that one if it passed. It would not hurt to get a 2nd opinion. The pain is unbearable at times. I have passed 11 stones (ranging from 10mm on down) since last Friday. I have paid thousands of dollars and have had so many surgerys in the past 2 years its sad. I am in limbo now. They recently did a stone study to find out what type and why I am producing them. Does he get them often?
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      Wow I can't believe you have had 11 kidney stones!!! You poor thing. This is the first one for my Son and a recent ultrasound showed no stone but his right kidney is swollen so either it was a miracle, a miss diagnosis or he passed it, so he had that awful procedure for nothing. We will be going down for a second opinion next weekend. We are also battling  with an enlarged prostrate, high testosterone count and a low white cell count and constant  diarrhea so he has a Urologists , Gastroenterologist and an Oncologist,  has had a colonoscopy,CT scan, ultrasounds, X-rays and a few dozen blood tests but cancer was recently ruled out thank god. He is only 27 and shouldn't be going through this kind of stuff. 
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      I am very puzzled by your comments, they aren't something I have ever heard of in combination, and Testosterone levels in men (and their lack of!) is a subject area where I am exceptionally well informed.

      So is his prostate enlargement cancer related or is the high Testosterone is due to a cancer? Other than those, the concept of "too high" testosterone (other than by artificial methods or by a tumour producing too much) is one I have never seen documented before!

      I am however VERY familiar with (benign) prostate enlargement which can be siginifcantly worsened by (normal) testosterone being converted in the body to excess Oestradiol E2, as that is a condition I myself manage. In itself having "out of range" natural testosterone is far from rare, (common in fact) and usually causes no negative problems at all. Where that can be an issue is in (often obese) men who have high levels of Aromatase enzyme and that results in high E2 levels with it's feminising effect and potential to impact on prostate hypertrophy.

      Treatment with 5-Alpha reductase inhibitors (g. Finasteride) will likely work to shrink it, but has a host of ill effects perhaps best left as a last resort.  

      Although I am in the UK I am a moderator on a US based men's health site where matters such as these are widely discussed,and there are men with a wide range of experiences that helped me.

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    I have had catscans done and they don't see the stone that I know is still there! That has happened a couple times. (including today) I have never went for laser surgery so I don't know how they see the stone that way. I have just made a post about a 7mm stone if you'd like to read that it will explain a little more about my situation. Good luck to your son!

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    I thought I passed a stone that was 1cm. because the discomfort was gone. I felt a fullness in my bladdar but thought it was from the stone passing through. What I learned was the stone was in my bladdar. No physical way for it to have passed through. I would venture to guess same situation for your son. Especially if he is still having some symptoms. I don't know anyone who wouldn't know if they passed a stone 7mm. I would get a second opinion. Best of luck to your son. 

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