Lichen Sclerosus cured - but it took work.

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I started having symptoms of LS when I was 23 years old (from what I can remember). It got progressively worse until I was finally diagnosed at 26. I did a ton of research and started seeing two alternative doctors about it. The symptoms gradually disappeared, and I have been symptom free for about 6 months. Based on all my research, it seems like the underlying cause varies from person to person, but I will briefly summarize what I believe were contributing factors in my case.

1.) Uncomfortable sex and/or sexual abuse. There is evidence that sexual abuse can cause LS, although I'm not sure if it causes or exacerbates the problem. Either way, my symptoms got a lot worse when I was in a relationship with a man who I was not very attracted to. My only advice (really, whether you have LS or not) is to not have sex if you have symptoms, or if you simply do not want to. The friction physically damages the skin.

2.) Underlying inflammation, which can be caused by the following factors:

a) infection. I had a bad one for a long time. At this point the LS symptoms were quite bad - lots of itching and pain, and shiny white patches. After getting a million tests done, I finally gave up on western doctors, went to see an alternative guy, and he gave me an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral herb (it was a strong herb). The symptoms started to clear up immediately, and I mean by the next day. I suspect it was a fungal infection because symptoms worsened several months earlier when I was on a round of antibiotics (antibiotics alone will kill the bacteria that keeps fungus and yeast at bay, permitting fungal overgrowth). Anyways, that helped, but the symptoms were still not completely gone. There were other contributing factors...

b) Allergies. I got my alternative guy to test literally everything I ate on a regular basis, and it turned out I was sensitive or allergic to many foods. Dairy was the big one, and when I cut it out, I noticed the symptoms mostly disappeared. At that point, I was sometimes asymptomatic but sometimes it still flared up a bit, which still drove me crazy, so I pressed on.

c) Deficiencies. I had major deficiencies in iodine (this one was important.. I'll discuss it in my next point), vitamin E, zinc, vitamin B12, and I suspect several other things. I took supplements for a short period of time and majorly changed my diet. Now everything I eat is organic, and almost nothing is processed. I eat almost no restaurant food. Just a very natural diet - like how your grandmother would eat. It is a lot of work, but wow did it make a difference. The foods I noticed to be particularly helpful for LS are kale, swiss chard (both blanched to get rid of the oxalic acid), and bison/elk/organic beef. I also eat tons of yams and sweet potatoes. The pain and itching is completely gone. The only symptom I now have is mild follicalitis on one side which only comes up occasionally, and I'm not sure that is even related to the LS.

3.) One more thing. There seems to be a strong link between LS and hormones. As I said above, iodine was an important factor because I had subclinical hypothyroidism (this is very common). The problem is, when your thyroid gland isn't functioning properly, it throws your sex hormones out of whack. So if you are always tired and/or cold, then there is a good chance iodine supplementation might restore some hormonal balance. On top of the iodine, i also tried a couple herbs for hormone issues - black cohosh tea and raspberry leaf tea - and found they both seemed to help with the LS and other symptoms I had.

From all of this, if I could recommend anything, it would be this: first off, examine ALL your symptoms. Chances are, if there is something else going on, it is probably related and might give you a clue as to the underlying cause. Second, FIND AN ALTERNATIVE DOCTOR! The truth is, a western doctor cannot help you with this problem. I found that the naturopaths trained in North America were just as useless. The only two guys that I found who were able to help me had no formal credentials and practiced techniques that allowed them to 'get inside' my body and really figure out what was wrong. One did Muscle Response Testing and the other is simply able to 'feel' what is wrong when giving acupressure. Although these types of practitioners are less common in North America, I guarantee if you start asking around, you will find someone. If not, try going to some herb stores in your local Chinatown district, and they can often point you in the right direction.

I hope this helps! I was so hopeless when I first found out I had LS, but am now so happy I persevered in finding a solution. good luck to all who read this!

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    I've just started searching for a natural remedies for my LS. I started noticing this after I delivered my son almost 10 years ago. I've tried to figure out of it was a food allergy with not luck. I've tired several things so far stating with the cream prescribed by my OB Doctor, vasaline, coconut oil, and hydrocotisone cream all with little results. I believe my LS was brought on by a change in hormones. When my OB diagnosed me it said he has only even seen 1 or 2 other cases so he didn't offer up much help. Two months ago I changed my diet and cut our processed foods, white flour, white rice, potatoes, etc... as well as sugar. I have not noticed any difference and the flare ups continue. I'm going to try some of the suggestions I have read and see if any of those work. I will continue to follow this page and will report back if something works for me!

    Thanks!!

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    There is (in addition to this amazing group) a facebook group that is completely confidential. It is called Lichen Sclerosis Support Group. We need all the support we can get with this awful dsease! Blah sad  There are videos of the latest talks/research and an LS bible you can download. Even if you just joined (its a private group) and downloaded the document and left the group you would be gettong "so very much". I was only diagnosed in Jan and it has changed my life. Good luck to all of us! THank goodness for patient.info! And the other group. Praying that we lal go into a spontaneous remission FOREVER! <3 sending waves of love to all of you xo sending="" waves="" of="" love="" to="" all="" of="" you="">
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    I feel relieved and overwhelmed by finding this forum, I have so many questions as you all know.

     I  want to be able to have a healthy sex life.  I've probably never really been "healthy", but I wouldn't really know because I don't seek help.

    BUT now I know I need to. I went to the emergency room once, this year (because i was in so much pain from infection) and the doctor have me herpes medicine!!!!!! I do NOT have herpes..as I had already told him..and as he soon found out when the results came back. I told him I have LS and he didn't know what that was... any ways......NOW I don't know where to go . 

    I was molested as a child until I was six....by a girl though..even at a young age I felt like something was wrong with me 'down there' and so the psychological damage could have something to do with my problems

    with LS..

    with being cold all the time..

    tired..

    anxious..

     

    I've been smoking since i was 17 and im now 27. I feel like that has caused me to have a poor immune system..which could make LS worse?? Sometimes i think it's my circulation and then again i DO live in Maine.. i dont know.

    One more thing, I think i have Tinea Versicolor  ( Fungal Rashes that make me look like a cheetah, especially when working on the farm /in heat ) I read that this can be caused by a weakened Immune System....

    trying to figure out the connections... make sense of it ..

    Thanks for everything you've all shared and for reading my desperate hearts cry

    -ALSO, Has anyone seen a Neuromuscular Theropist before?? for LS...

    Thanks, Whitney

     

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      Oh Whitney...just wondering ...as you work on a farm might have you been exposed to harsh substances? Or are you organic? If you were that would certainly help and might be something to aim for ...What do you think?
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    Hello

    Can you please give me the contact of the person that you went for the herbal medicine please. I am desperately looking for something that can help my daughter.

    Thanks

    Nima

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    Hi All,

    Fascinating discussion, I read every post - here's what I have to add: 

    1) I am hypothryoid and felt this LS "creeping up" on me around age 43 when my hormones and thryoid started going sideways.  I do take a low dose of thryoid medication (Armour) and topical estrogen gel and topical progesterone creme.   I am not optimized on the thyroid medication, it seems impossible to get regulated on a dose that will help with my symptoms of being hypo without pushing myself into being adrenal stressed and then hyperthyroid and getting overdosed is misery, so I choose to stay underdosed and deal with being mildly hypothyroid but it does get much worse (LS) when I"m stressed out or if I cheat on my diet with sugar or gluten.  I now know that I've been hypothryoid since my late 20's, from bloodwork taken at the time that I've reviewed - sadly NO doctor I saw then told me I was hypo so I suffered with it for many years until finally the antibody tests showed up and half my scalp hair had fallen out.  My hair has never fully recovered but I've been able to get rid of elevated ANA and thryoid antibodies completely with concerted effort.  The LS has smoldered off/on for over a decade now - and I'm full aware that if it's active after menopause that it's well known to never go away.  I hope with the tips I found here I can help myself better with this issue or at least try different things at different times to work on it.

    Thyroid disease runs rampant in my family for what it's worth.

    One other thing to mention that's notable - I do recall an interval of time in my mid-30's when I had some night sweats and horrible vulvar itching (not a yeast infection but dry itchy inner lips - it would wake me up at night).  I ended up going back on birth control pills at the time and those symptoms abated, vagina normal again/night sweats gone.  So I do think LOW ESTROGEN has alot to do with this  condition~!!  What do you ladies think??

    2) I recently was diagnosed with LS via my gyno, it affects one side of my perineum only, no vulvar or anal involvement "yet".  It began an an itchy burning spot some years ago and until I used antifungal shampoo on it regularly it became an open weepy area, intensely painful when I urinated and any got on it, sex was impossible and I wore alot of dresses without undies. Once I started the antifungal appraoch to treating it I was able to get it under control most of the time.  I think that area is prone to a secondary fungal infection developing when the skin is broken, not that it's simply a fungal issue at it's core - it's hormonal plain/simple. 

     I do think 100% that the LS coincided with the beginning of going into perimenopause and with the decline of my thyroid at the same time.  I also think it was made worse by pre-existing yeast issues I had (oral/gut) from years of taking oral antibiotics for acne when I was younger.  I react strongly to any type of foods that are too sugary or moldy (mushrooms, aged cheeses for instance) and I cannot be around anywhere that has a moldy smell or mold issue.  I do take probiotics on a regular basis which help ALOT.  AT this point I've been finally able to really ratchet down my issue with candida by going through a heavy metal detox and as well taking natural treatment to get rid of 2 parasites that were found via a stool test that I insisted on having via my homeopath.  One parasite is definitely gone and the other I just re-tested again to see if I was 100% successful in getting rid of (you have to test twice before being sure it's gone but I"m pretty sure it's gone since my candida is still gone).  I refused to take antibiotics for the parasites and am a living testament that they can be killed via natural means.  It just takes longer to do and most docs don't take time to deal with a long term treatment.  I used Mastic Gum in high dose and emulsified oregano oil as part of my year's regime for the parasite killing - with other things rotated in a well. 

    3) I've been self-treating the LS, with long periods of successful remission, using an anti-fungal shampoo at every bath or shower and also find that if I use Estriol creme vaginally that it helps as well.    But it always comes back, never really goes away even when it appear it is gone for good. I just put the dots together over time that the Estriol creme does help but does not cure.

    4) I'm now age 55 and have not had a period for 9 months now, so am nearing where techinally I'll be in menopause.  Yes, menopause came late for me and it was a really rocky road - and continues to be. 

    5) At the same time that LS appeared I also began getting little round non-itchy red patches on my skin, randomly, on my legs/back of arms mainly but also some on places like under my breasts and on tummy/buttocks.  This is not dry skin but rather scaly crinkly skin that goes away over time but again returns. I"ve seen several dermatologists about it and they have all scratched their heads and offer me topicals or offer to burn/freeze them off - but offer no diagnosis even with taking scrapings and a couple of biopsies.  It's definitely not psoriasis .  I think this is also LS as it does/can appear elsewhere on the body.  I do find that going gluten free did make a dent in their appearing in droves, but if I eat anything like sugar or daily that it promotes them.  I tried using antifungal cream on them and it does not control them.  It's the best it's been in several years now and this summer I'll be able to wear short sleeves for the first time in many years, personally taking the thryoid hormones has helped the most.  I've had a few derms tell me that once the lesions appear that they'll never "leave" but this has proven incorrect, I've found if I leave them along and keep them moisturized with bland creme they'll fade away/disappear in about 6 weeks.  If I pick at them AT ALL then they'll stay for literally a year or more, get very angry and leave a dark mark that takes another year or more to fade away.  They are not fun to have.

    6) I've never been hands on sexually abused but I have been told I am a beautiful woman and have also been in the public eye with my work thus have had a lifetime of unwanted sexual attention/advances and from men that I trusted and of course also from total strangers - so I don't discount the sexual abuse theory at all for women to have developed this issue.  I think mental stress is at the core of so much of our health malfunctioning along with environmental poisons. Women work as hard as men these days, not like yesteryear when women stayed at home with the kids - life is hard on us now,  especially for those of us with low thryoid, as LS can really get a hold of us whe our immune system is low.  I also take iodine and have taken it for years, and I did go as far as to test for what's called a NIS-Symporter defect which is the mechanism by which your body is able to utilize iodine.  My NIS system works great and my iodine levels when initally were at 88% when tested, far from deficient - but I still take it regardless but not in excess, to give thyroid support. I've gone through literally a fortune of testing and paying for doctor visits, only to still be where I am from where I started but at least now aware of my individual intoleraces and to the fact that if you have a thyroid issue and auto-immunity then you can plan on having many other issues as well and that a bad diet is not something to monkey around with.  The LS it seems is controllable at least, but with much effort.  So let's keep this thread alive, I"m sure it's helping alot of women - it sure gave me some good ideas~!

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      shima...this is an amazing thread. you've worked hard on your increased intestinal permeability and other underlying factors in auto immunity ...i'm very impressed. am about to start a course addressing leaky gut ....and i'll be taking a biocide to reduce pathogens and to rebuild my microbiome with good commensals and probiotics once i've addressed the dysbiosis and probable parasites. so i'm on a similiar path.

      thank you for all the input. you have greatly encouraged  me. i 'm sure as you address nutrient deficiencies and so on that you'll get more of a handle on LS. I have a low thyroid too and want to say WELL DONE for reducing your antibodies...that really is exemplary. i am still working on that xxxxxxxxxxx

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    Wow...Thank you for all your help. I believe that most of these same things are also my problems too especially the hormone and iodine tips. I know we are masters of our own bodies and only we, ourselves can tell when something is not quite right, whether it is food, medications, or yes, sex. We certainly have to be aware of it and make notes to change our lifestyles.

    I am copying your information, so I that I can bring up some of those matters with my dermatologist. Thank you a whole bunch. Keep upo the good work.

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    I wish I could find someone to help me
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      hi mikki

      so sory to see you've had no response. fixed up doesn't come on very often but she probably will eventually. in the meantime i've sent you a pm - private message...just to offer some cheer!

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    Hello, 

    thank you to you for all this hope...... and everybody with such a great information about this..i just have been diagnosed and i am freaking out..i cant even move from bed sad ...seems my inflamation is under control and i am having my first month of clobetasol once a day...i only have spots around my clit and my anus, but i am experiencing pain in my labia, redness etc....not fun....i am totally aware about my diet and i eat for years paleo before this....so my diet is good...i dont even drink cofee or alcohool ...i have been told by my doctor that is an inmune response...she did a blood test and she said all was good, my thyroids too...its true that i have been under anxiety for the last 3 years after movin to nyc ...and i had alopecia aerata and i also have 3 spots related in my upper back....she said all is the same..

    My doctor did not do a byopsy in my vulvar area because she did before in my back so she told me was the same thing...

    I reall wonder about what root canals has to do with this because my alopecia was right after i did one...and all started right after.

    She also told me that eventually this burns out itself after a while...

    Gonna try all is mentioned here....its really a good help to have bben found this forum...thank you everybody.

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    Sounds like you were very lucky.  After much research on this topic and having gone to several specialists with my 'problem', I have found/been told that there is no cure for this disease.  Very disheartening!  Also - as far as research into a cure for this disease...  I was told that it is not high on the priority list for researchers and also that it is hard to find an expert in this field.  That has been my experience so far.  This may depend on where in the world you live.  Like many who suffer from this embarrassing illness, I would be willing to go to the ends of the earth to find a cure or at the least be asymptomatic.

    I have been going to a naturopath as well and she thinks she can help me.  I am willing to try but am not very optimistic.

    Also wanted to mention that my symptoms began not long after a radical hysterectomy (5 years ago) after which I developed sepsis.  I was bombarded with antibiotics at that time.  I have a strong suspicion that this is what started it all for me and my Naturopath believes this may be the case as well.  Anyone else have this experience with antiobiotics?  I seldom had taken these in my life before (no need). 

    Really appreciate this site as this topic is not exactly one you bring up at the dinner table (or anywhere else for that matter).  As someone else below mentioned:  it is wonderful if you have a loving and understanding spouse when you are faced with this.  Can't imagine what it would be like if I didn't have his support and kindness.  Hope that others are as lucky.

    I was wondering whether

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      Sorry...  cut myself off.  I was wondering whether there are anyone here is involved in a study (research) or whether they have heard if there is one ongoing and - if so - where.  Thx.
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      I have been prescribed Clobetasol but it doesn't seem to completely help the problems.  My specialist told me that coconut oil works great in between but so far I have found that it just seems to make the itching worse.

      I'm curious about the idea that LS might stem from sexual abuse.  Am wondering what the possible connection between these two could be.  Not questioning the abuse - just the connection.

       

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      Exactly my frustration. I cannot find anyone who knows anything about this disease. My dermatologist once told me to educate myself through forums and by talking to other women. I have gotten a lot of helpful information on here, but the one thing that remains constant is that LS is not curable. It goes into remission for awhile but then look out when it returns!!! It seems like it is very common yet I don't have any friends who have it, or are willing to admit that they may. I just keep plugging along with Clobetasol, baking soda baths and an ointment that my dermatologist ordered compounded at the pharmacy for the patches that I have all over my body. I guess it is another woman thing that we have to deal with ourselves! sigh Takae care.
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      i've  been doing some reading and it seems there are people out there who have recovered.
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      Thx for the comment, selina85391.  I feel lucky that my Gynecologist is trying her best with me and is willing to refer me to anyone else who might be of help.  She went to a seminar by a Vulvar Specialist recently and came back with the opinion that the Clobetasol ointment appears to be working better for people than the cream.  Also - some people have been having some luck (in between times) using coconut oil to keep the area supple and prevent more 'cracking'.

      Unfortunately, my LS has progressed to the point where the skin over my cliteros is fused, my labia have vanished and my vaginal opening has narrowed to the point of sex being extremely uncomfortable (causes tears).  As I mentioned above - lucky for me my husband is wonderful.

      I am 60 yrs. old and had a fantastic sex life with my husband up until about 2 years ago because the LS just got to the point where sex = pain.

      At my most recent Gyn. appt., she recommended that I get vaginal dilators to help with this.  :s  There are other ways to show your partner that you care, but going from fantastic to non-existent has been a bummer.

       

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      Yes, I hear you. I am nearly 70 myself and married a wonderfuil man 18 years ago. Well, 3 years later I got LS. For the past 10 years sex has gone from painful to non-existant. Like you, I have a very understanding hubby. He has been studying up on this disease himself and feels so sorry for me. I have come to terms with it now, but on the first of it, I really felt bad. Problem with me now is that the LS has continued to control my whole body with itchy rash and skin cracking here and there. I use the Clobetasol ointment too, and also the cream for the no-genital area. Plus I have another cream that is a moisturizer plus tar for itchy rash. I have the fusing problem too, and it is worrisome about urination if it gets any worse. Doctors are reluctant to operate on it, saying it will fuse again and faster. Lucky us women eh? Nice chatting and take care.
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      hi raw deal

      am very interested to see that you're consulting a naturopath.

      is she uk based? how many appointments have you had may i ask?

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      I sure hope that there are some who have recovered. I wish I could say it for me, but I go into remission and then when my body decides to break out, I get even more and more patches than ever before. This past winter I had it cover my back, abdomen, arms, armpits breasts and neck! The vaginal area was not affected this time around. This was the worst time of my life, the patches broke into blisters and the blisters joined together to make huge blisters. I felt like I was dropped into acid! I am cleared up now after months of Prednisone which caused other problems. I had to take antihistimines and antidepressants in order to get the itch and burning to subside and to get some sleep. 18 weeks of torture is what I would call it. Sorry to be so negative, it is hard to deal with this stuff. My doctors told me that there is no cure, only that it will go into remission. Thanks for replying.
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      terribly worried about you taking predisone...it just suppresses symptoms and then as you say ...the following break out is worse. guess the body is trying to speak to us!

      i'll send you a pm about the book i read xx

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      I am no longer taking Prednisone, had to give it up because of legs swelling. It also gave me great muscle pain and headaches. It did clear up the blisters though. I am slowly recovering.

      Thanks again.

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      oh that is wonderful. I am so glad. So many get stuck long term.  Knowing when to come off is a skill in itself!!!! well done. You have good intuition too. I'm hoping to get us together with other of those on this alternative site to try to steer us through. I am determined to recover completely and I sense that you are too...and others here xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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      Hi lizziewizzie,

      Not UK - Canadian, eh?  wink  I have not had any Naturopath appts. yet that were specific to this particular problem but have scheduled one specifically for it.  As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, she feels as well that the onset of this disease may well have been from having been bombarded by antibiotics (got sepsis after radical hysterectomy 5 years ago).  My disease started not long after.  I think it's important to find the cause(s) before we can possibly hope to find a cure (if at all) for this disease.  To most of us who have it, it is not something we can discuss with friends or possibly even family members as it is so embarrassing.   If we had almost any other disease - like diabetes or whatever - we would be able to reach out for support to those we care about.  Instead, many of us have nobody else to confide in (except in some lucky cases like myself, an understanding, caring hubby).  For those of you who are not so lucky - you have my sincerest sympathies.  Not sure what I'd do without his support right now.  sad 

      Once I have my Naturopath appt., I will post any findings or treatments (whether working or not). 

      BTW...  I am one of the 'lucky' ones who only have LS in my genital area.  Lucky me.  :s

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      So sorry to hear of your painful experience.  Hope you are feeling better soon.
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      so glad you are recovering was what i meant...sorry about the symptoms....but that is a strong steroid. Really for very short term use  only. sometimes prescribers forget to unprescribe or change or to lessen these medications. thinking of you x
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      i'm glad you have a good hubby ...and naturopathic support...thats great. very keen to hear about the recommendations. You canadians are a wonderful bunch...very pro alternatives and saving the planet. lets hope we can fix both!!  xxxxxxx i've come across a formula for treating 'leaky gut' and i'm going to participate. will share what i can. x

       i really agree with you about the need to find the root cause of this condition for each of us.....actually i found a thread about this on the site and it was pretty fascinating eg blood groups got mentioned ..plus a GP chimed in...have a look and maybe add your thoughts. there's a link pinning it to the start. The 'causes of LS'.  i'm sure there's more considerations eg thyroid issues but your sepsis and all the antibiotics might well be a causative factor. Too many antibiotics could be another theme...can't remember if that was listed but i definitely had too many as a child....good luck with your appointment and enjoy the luxury of it...I think these naturopaths have some great information and resources. i'm following quite a lot of webinars and getting inspired by functional medecine and naturopathy!!

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