Long term mirtazapine stopped working

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I have been taking mirtazapine at 60mg per day for over 10 years now - I know that's a whopping big dose but due to chronic treatment resistant depression it was the only dose that actually worked. For over 8 years it worked brilliantly - lifted my depression, eased my anxiety and most importantly, enabled me to sleep. With it i got my life back, managed to hold down a full time professional job. I'd still get my down days and times where my mood was ultra low but generally I'd get over it fairly quickly. It numbed me out I guess and I didn't really cry anymore, the tear ducts seemed incapable of working! I figured this was the trade off for functioning and playing an active role in life after many years of not being able to work with debilitating acrophobia and social anxiety.

However, around two years ago things started to slide - I was working in a hugely stressful target driven environment and bullying was rife from other colleagues and middle management. I was getting more and more responsibility dumped on me and being the people pleaser and perfectionist I was, took it on without complaint. I started to get ill again - avoiding conversation at work, tearful, increasingly anxious and stressed. The biggest factor in my mood was the start of a terrible bout of insomnia where I just couldn't function. I couldn't get to sleep no matter what I tried - reading in bed, exercising, herbal teas, switching off TV, drinking malt drinks - nothing worked. Obviously this then led to a vicious circle - the lack of sleep made me feel more depressed and anxious and stressed and so it continued. Where I had always been used to going to bed around 10pm and falling into a deep sleep around an hour later without waking until my alarm went off at 6 - this literally stopped overnight. I would just lie there hour after hour counting down the clock until I'd have to get up. Or if I did finally manage to sleep I'd be awake an hour later going through the same countdown routine. Now obviously I put this down to my hugely stressful and by now loathsome job keeping me awake and making me depressed so I decided enough was enough and quit. I was fortunate to find another job very quickly with a huge pay increase and a management role. Ideally or so I thought, I had friends that worked there and the company was supportive of its staff - tada! Everything would be great - new job, great environment, I'd start sleeping again my depression would lift and everything would go back to normal...how wrong could I be...

The insomnia continued and my mood continued to plummet I became a wreck. Whereas I'd take enormous pride in my work, staying late completing projects to deadline I just gave up. I sat there every day in a complete haze - couldn't focus, tearful, shaking with anxiety, unable to deal with the smallest of jobs because my sleep deprived brain just couldn't function.. I was lucky to get 10 hours a week sleep in total, a walking zombie is the only way I could describe it. So I walked out - gave up on what could have been my dream job. I now believed I was burnt out from my previous job and I just needed time out to rest, take the pressure off, relax... Not once did I question the mirtazapine - how could I believe this was to blame when it had worked so wonderfully for all these years? It must have been me, I'd had a total breakdown but with time I'd be better surely?!

I didnt visit my Dr - the practice is next to useless and frankly I'd had enough of pych help. But nothing has improved at all - its been a year since I left work and I can not sleep at all - I'm getting more and more depressed by the day, more tired, more stressed, more hopeless. However, one day - two years too late- I had an epiphany- was the mirtazapine to blame? Had it stopped working? I had never been told this could happen. So. Here I am, this site has become my refuge, my only place of solace to know that others are going through similar things. Which finally led me to the conclusion that mirtazapine can actually poop out. I decided to start tapering off mirtazapine - its clearly not working anymore and has led me to believe that it actually may be causing me more harm than good. Seven weeks ago I dropped to 45 mg with few withdrawal effects apart from nausea in week 3 and daily headaches. Something strange happened at this drop - for the first three weeks I actually slept!!!! Three weeks of complete heaven uninterrupted blissful 8 hour sleep. It was absolutely wonderful but alas, short lived. The insomnia abruptly kicked in again and that's where I am right now again. I have since dropped to 30 mg a week ago, hoping that this may trigger another episode of sleep but nope, nothing. I've also been to my gp since then who basically advised he has no idea why the mirtazapine stops working and offered me nothing for my insominia . he advised I should carry on with the reduction and be off them altogether over the next three months or so. But, now what? I'm depressed and have chronic insomnia - do I try something else? Is there another anti depressant which could help me? Because I can't carry on like this, I have no life and no future if I can't get something sorted soon.

Thank you for reading this, I so hope someone can offer some advice.

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    I think the reason why you slept better when you reduced the dose of mirt is that (as is well known) it is more sedating the LESS you take (down to 7.5mg anyway).

    You say your sleep did not improve at 30mg.  I think you should go down to 15mg or less.   You may well find that works.  Do not prejudge it!  Mirt works differently at low doses.

    If you need something for anxiety or depression that can be treated by an ADDITIONAL AD (eg an SSRI)..

    Best wishes.

     

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      Thank you I've been on 1/4 of 15mg....with l0 mg prozac have good and bad days with by breath, then have to take an ativan...I suppose the next is to try 1/2 a dose and see what happens....eleanor

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      Hi oldboy thanks for your message. When I had wised up to the problems I was having with mirtazapine I started to do a LOT of research on these meds and from what I can see it does generally have a more sedating response the lower the dose. Problem is I think the meds have pooped out completely due to the amount of time I've taken them, I don't know if they would work at any dose if I've built up a tolerance? Its almost like they are now attacking my body or my body is rejecting them if that makes sense? I can't for the life of me understand why when I first dropped to 45mg they allowed me to sleep for those 3 weeks yet that soon stopped and on 30mg nothing again. The only way I can describe my insomnia is that the switch which indicates sleep to my brain has broken or short circuited somehow. I have racing thoughts in bed, not about anything in particular it is often just a song stuck on repeat or random thoughts about a TV programme etc. My mind just won't close down it's almost like a surge of adrenalin. I do believe that the 60 mg made me more anxious and especially during the day, more jumpy and paranoid and this has improved a little.

      I'm now in the process of withdrawing- could I just jump to 15 mg straight away to see if that helps with sleep ? I'd be honestly happy to remain on 15 mg and augment with a different AD if that works. I have no shame on being on meds if they help!

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      Hi.   I cannot predict whether you need to taper down the mirt or not.  If you managed the drops from 60 to 45 to 30mg without too much trouble perhaps the drop to 15 will be okay too. 

      I certainly recognise the racing thoughts when trying to sleep.   I no longer get them, but I am not sure whether it was the mirt that cured it or the sertraline I take in addition.   I take 7.5mg mirt plus 100mg sertraline.

      Best wishes.     

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      Hi again it would be lovely to have a crystal ball at times... I'm not really sure why the drs never tried a combination like you are on as I've read so much about they can help people. Or maybe they did try many years ago and I've just forgotten.

      Its great that you've found something to help especially with the problems with sleep which we both share.

      I do get withdrawal symptoms from reducing dose : nausea, restless legs at night, headaches, stomach pains, a sort of shaking feeling inside my head but although they're bothersome they're not unbearable and I've been through worse. I think for now I'm going to carry on reducing in the same way - every 4 to 6 weeks just to alleviate any potential worsening of the physical withdrawal symptoms. Because I don't think I could cope with feeling any worse. Let's hope when I get to 15 mg it may help - I'll let you know how I get on.

      Thanks for your input.

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      The reason doctors act as they do is that they tend to follow a preset protocol (in the UK at least).  I think that only includes combinations when monotherapy has failed.  It may even be that only specialists should use it. I was lucky that I found a GP who allowed it.  (The first GP did not).  Some doctors may be scared of causing "seratonin syndrome" - which is serious. 

      Incidentally NICE recommends a talking therapy rather than drugs.      

       

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    Hi Normal-again - 60mgs of mirt! I nearly gagged on my anti depressant! I have been on 45mgs of mirt for some years now and am contemplating tapering off. It has been a god send for sleep - I always had trouble with that - but I know I have to make the effort sometime to become drug free. Hope things get better for you, and if you find an answer there are people here who will be very interested to know.
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    ive take venlafaxine  for year no sleep til i was given mitarzipne sudenly doctor dicides that i should stop imidiatly after 3year on them, said i was on to much  he perscribed them in first place i didnt agree but i dicided to cut them down each night til the next time i see him. this way i have some control   so far have cut the tablet  in to one third from 30gm  feellings so far electric shock pains in my head double vision think im loosing the plot thank god i didnt let the doctor stop them all at one go. in answer to your letter in the last 25 years ive been on neary every tablet going and have had to change them  within a couple of year cos they all have stop working im so sorry i cannot give you the answer to your sleep problem i am having trouble sleeping now  again the night drag on

     

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    The same thing has happened to me. I take mirtazapine, plus Clobazam, one in the morning at at night. After 2 months of waiting for them to work, I the daytime I began skipping my morning Clobazam and taking both at night along with the mirtazapine. This works, but obviously takes the anti-depressant qualities away, which I was prepared for, but the sleep in my illness is more important than feeling slightly better in the day. When that stopped working after another 6 months, I then started to have one glass of red wine at night. Sad/glad to say this totally works. I know it's never good to play about with prescribed medication, but sometimes, needs must. I am now going to ask for my 2x 30 gram of clobazam to be put up, and the same with my the Mirtazapine.

    You don't say if you are also taking Clobazam day and night, as the reaction of the medications ingredients obviously works, so try asking for that along with the Mirtazapine. Hopefully though you won't have to go to the lengths I did to get to sleep, but I am going to be honest with my pretty useless GP and tell him what I'm having to do, and hopefully when he realizing what I've been driven to do, he'll be pushed into helping me properly. You may have to be demanding, and determined that your GP helps you or even change practices If you do, I would personally make sure he knows why you're leaving, and your new GP should be told the same.

    But, as I began, if you're not being given clobazam 2ce daily,as obviously each persons reaction will be different

    Jill.

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