Looking for Information on PEMF
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There are a few of us looking for any information on this procedure. It has been around for a long time and has been use to heal different parts of the body
Has anyone used this procedure for anything?????
They have been doing some trails on dogs that have been working well for the prostate. They have done a trail on men that have gone well. So they are still doing more. The device can be used on any part of the body.
It has to do with vibrations that will move the blood flow in the body and will help with inflammation.
Thank you all....Ken
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gene97713 kenneth1955
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Total woodoo science... Buy a male doll and stick a needle in it's prostate... 😃
kenneth1955 gene97713
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Hey Gene
Who knows that may work?????
tom86211 kenneth1955
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Ken,
I have read about this as well, but since we never hear much about it anymore, maybe it doesn't really work - I mean, if it worked, people would be using it and talking about it and posting about it here.
Also, I keep reading here about the more common treatments that work for some and don't work for others. I am going to put the blame on the doctors for this lack of success, because it seems more and more that any procedure is hit and miss - maybe it will work and maybe it won't. I would think that advanced imaging would pinpoint the exact reason why we are having BPH issues - prostate, bladder or other. Then, from the imaging an appropriate and precise treatment plan would be formulated. But, that doesn't seem to happen, except with FLA where Dr. K uses a MRI to decide what to treat. None of the other urologists seem interested in using MRIs. My uro seems to think they're useless. How can that be?
Sorry to vent, but this whole field just seems very primitive to me.....I think I am watching too many Star Trek episodes about 24th century medical science.
Tom
kenneth1955 tom86211
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Hey Tom
Yes this is true. We never know what is going to work. It is a lot of hit and miss. Procedure come and go. Some are worse then others
Dr K is a very good doctor he seam to care and shows you what he feel you should get rid but being it is not covered for BPH you have to have the money up front.
It's going for about $25.000 not many of us have that much laying around. I know it is covered for cancer but maybe one day the FDA will give it's okay for BPH.
We will just have to see what time will bring.
Take care....Ken
gene97713 kenneth1955
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Guys,
Anatomy of BPH is well studied from cadavers. One doesn't need an expensive (up to $2000 per pop in US) 3T MRI for that, if you don't have a precise tool to operate on it. Standard CT or MRI will show nothing. They are not good for soft tissue resolution. Operating under MRI continues imaging is tricky, requires expensive special laser tools and Dr. K., who can afford to be very nice for $25,000. Making it affordable will require spending less on Star Wars programs and more for National Health.
Ken, there is no known to mankind mechanism of long wave EM wave interaction with a human body, except warming it up as a microwave oven. That's why PEMF is an expensive scam, albeit you can by one on Amazon for $200 and treat your perineum with it. It won't hurt you (maybe you bladder will suffer from doing nothing to you prostate).
Otherwise, TRUS is a good mean to study your prostate and decide which one of minimally invasive o radical surgeries is best for you. Causes of BPH are relatively well studied. As any growth (although benign) it grows differently for each of us. Future AI combined with robotic tools will make it probably less painful and spare us from side effects, but, Boy, who knows how much these gadget will cost? Insurance will be willing to pay for them in 22 century, maybe...
kenneth1955 gene97713
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Yes Gene that is true the anatomy of the prostate for BPH is studied a lot but all these years they think cutting it out is the answer. That comes with to many side effects for some men to handle
You would think that with all these doctors and scientist all these years they would found out what causes the prostate to grow at 40 they still can't figure it out.
Doctor K is a great man and he has helped many men with BPH but you have to have the money to do it and if you don't have it your stuck with what ever your insurance will pay for.
I do not know if that machine for $200 on Ebay will work or not who know. You still have to do research and trail and that cost money. It is just like the injections of Fexapotide into the prostate. They have done trail and they have had good results but you need more research and it takes money
I hope one day they will come up with something that is much better we men do not have to give up anything just to pee better.
Have a great day......Ken
For now I'm good I do not need a procedure. I had a Urolift 5 years ago. Still wide open
lester90053 kenneth1955
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How many are so desperate to give $25,000 to a quack? If it worked it would be covered by insurance and would be done by medical personnel.
kenneth1955 lester90053
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Lester
FLA has worked for many men that have cancer that is how they found out that it worked for BPH also. That is why it has to go through trails. Over the last 5 years it has worked for many men on this site which paid for it.
It is done by a medical personnel a Radiologist. It is still under trails one day it will be approved for BPH. And if you have the money and that is what you want go for it. That is your right.
Have a great day....Ken
andrewcalgary lester90053
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Lester,
maybe you should learn something before posting any comments on this forum, you have no clue what you are talking
lester90053 andrewcalgary
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This started off as PEMF and then turned into FLA. I was commenting on PEMF.
kenneth1955 lester90053
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Lester & Others
Yes it did start out on PEMF because I was looking to see if anyone has tried it. There is not much on the internet. And you have to watch what you read.
This is like all procedure out there we need to do the research on any procedure that we are looking at because they are not all the same and they do not work on everyone. Also there are doctors out there that do not tell you everything and it is good to know something when you go to see them.
You have to research that is how we learn.
I found out researching that the FDA approved FLA for BPH but it is not covered by any major insurance company. So what's the point
I thank you all for any information that is giving. We are in to learn from each other.
God Bless....Ken
gene97713 lester90053
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Lester,
I agree with Andrew and have sent you similar notices. You often make reckless and misleading statements. You did comment on FLA and Dr. K calling him a quack...
FLA is very high precision and hi-tech procedure requiring very expensive medical equipment and exceptionally trained IR, which Dr. K seemingly is. It's not everybody, and probably won't work for supersized prostates. It works best for localized PC and probably medium size BPH adenomas. Very few insurances will pay for it due to the high price. Insurance coverage in US is based unfortunately on profitability and pays only for the necessity procedures, not convenient or less invasive. Profitability rules...
Be careful when offering your advice,
lester90053 gene97713
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To Gene... My reply was for PEMF not FLA. You have to read all before you make accusations.
gene97713 lester90053
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Lester, is it you comment? Only FLA performed by Dr. K from Denver cost $25,000
andrewcalgary gene97713
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BTW, Dr.K, is based in Houston, and his fee is $25K, I had FLA four months ago for BPH and PCa and with excellent outcome, all my BPH symptoms are gone, IPSS went from 25 to 1,
gene97713 andrewcalgary
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Thank you , Andrew, for the correction. Dr. K. Is really in Houston, my bad. Definitely your 25,000 are worth the achieved result with minimal complications.
I wonder if any insurance (Medicare ,specifically, in US would cover such procedure) if it was really approved by FDA for BPH. Never heard that it was. Keep us posted on your results. What size was your prostate? How long it takes to recover? While minimally invasive it's a targeted micro-HoLEP procedure in a sense, so recovery should take some time. What kind of anesthesia is used during FLA?
Is Dr. K the only one in USA/World?
kenneth1955 gene97713
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Good morning Gene
What I found out is that it is approved for small tissue tumor buy the FDA.
But no insurance company is covering it. To me it does not seam right. I think it is this way because it is to expensive.
Have a good day.....Ken
andrewcalgary gene97713
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Gene,
few answers to your questions:
prostate size was ~60 cc, normal recovery is about 7-10 days with the Foley in, but after 11 days when I removed the Foley, my flow was very slow due to swelling from 15 ablations, 5 for PCa, 10 for BPH and started self-catheterization, got UTI, had to go to ER, another Foley for another 2 weeks, after I removed the Foley, the flow was great, no BPH symptoms, I was given IV and had conciense sedation, whole procedure took 4 hrs, didn't feel anything, recovered from sedation within an hr or so, no pain, no ED, no incontinence, but got RE, which I had before when on Flomax, before I switched to Alfuzosin and recovered most of the ejaculate, but I don't consider RE as a deal breaker, in my opinion, it's a small price to pay for other excellent benefits. About 6 weeks post FLA my average urine flow was 13.7ml/sec, after 3 months it was 16.6ml/sec based on some 10 measurements, no urgency, normal frequency, I get up once at night to pee, that's why IPSS is 1, down from 25 before FLA. Other doctors/IR specialists using this procedure are Dr.Sperling, Dr.Walser, Dr.K(Ara Karamanian), and possibly one more in Palm Desert, Dr. Feller, they all do FLA for PCa and BPH, also in Radboud University Imaging Center, Nijmegen, in Netherlands, where they developed this FLA technology, adopted later by NA doctors.
If you looking for more info on FLA, at patients forum there is a thread:
Going with Focal Laser Ablation for BPH there are 1292 posts, the last reply 5 weeks ago, at inspire forum there is a thread Focal Laser Ablation patients with some 8500 posts on FLA, mainly for PCa but also for BPH, the same procedure but different objective.
Andrew
gene97713 andrewcalgary
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Thank you, Andrew. It was very useful information. That's what I thought. Not a walk in the park as many describe it. Standard bipolar TURP might produce similar results wit . a better flow but no guarantee of all PC tumors removal.
My PAE produced similar results after two weeks with 120 g prostate. I don't have PC so far. My PSA dropped from 4 ng/dL to 1.4 ng /dL after PAE.
Let see how durable it will be. Is Dr. Karmanian is the best qualified for FLA ?
andrewcalgary gene97713
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Dr.Karamanian did less FLA procedures than others like Sperling or Walser, he worked with Walser and Donnie, the nurse, under Walser for few years before he opened his own FLA practice, but he is extremely caring doctor, and his right hand help, nurse Donnie, also from Walser's hospital, both working together, are both well experienced having 5-6 years of working together on FLA, they are really exceptional, this is generally shared opinion, are they the best qualified?
hard to say, may have less experience than others, but their attitude and desire to get the best results makes big difference, that's why I chose them, very easy to communicate and very responsive, if you read opinions of others, you will find the same v. positive comments I believe