LPR/Silent Reflux - desperately in need of a miracle. Has anyone recovered from this?

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Hi - I'll be as brief as possible. For almost a year I have had symptoms which have worsened, starting with throat clearing and progressing to regular spiting out of white, frothy stuff, post nasal drip, lump in throat or sharp sensation, streaming or blocked nose and hoarseness. These are all unpleasant and irritating but because I talk for a living my work is becoming badly affected so it is now making me depressed and anxious as well. I was referred to ENT, had the camera up the nose and down the throat to rule out anything sinister and was given Omeprazole and Gaviscon Advance. No advice, no explanation. I had to find it all out myself. (and I'm not confident/assertive with docs, either).

The drugs haven't helped, I'd go so far as to say the reflux significantly worsened. I had faith in the Gaviscon Advance having read how it works but that hasn't made any difference either. I have monitored everything I eat and drink and can't find anything that triggers it with the possible exception of bread, and I may be grasping at straws there. Certainly coffee, alcohol, spicy food etc don't trigger it and ginger, acidophillus, apple cider vinegar don't help. It does seem to be cyclical - I'll have a week or so of decreased symptoms then it gradally works up again to two or 3 weeks of hell. No heartburn, and the reflux is almost always upright, no problems sleeping...just the other 17 hours a day! The ENT was brusque on my return visit and said that, aside from speech therapy, there was nothing more he could do for me. This can't go on, though. At it's worst it makes me tearful and desperate at work and speech therapy isn't going to stop me spitting up into a whole toilet roll each day, or reduce the other symptoms. I'm also worried my teeth will rot and I fear for my job. Has anyone experienced this with the same pattern/lack of triggers etc? I would love to hear any positive experiences that don't just repeat the same old same old, ie, raise the bed 6 inches, dos and donts with food etc.

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    Alex, I hope you get this! Your post, well I could have written it about myself. I am in the same boat and this is just no way to live. I know nobody else in my real life that has this- we had never even heard of it! I have been diagnosed and being treated for six months now, and like you, my condition is even worse now than it was. Let's chat and try to exchange some information and advice!!!
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      Hi Lesley

      I'm in the same boat. I feel like I am dying a slow agonising death. I've had the Nissen and am 10 x worse.

      I don't know what symptoms are 'real' and what are anxiety anymore. I don't even want to get out of bed anymore. I feel like I am existing and not living

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    Understand what you were feeling. I am also going crazy!!! One of my symptoms is the feeling of hair in my mouth. Has anyone experienced that???? Driving me mad. Dr put me on Pepcid for 14 days-so far taken for 6 days and still the same. I feel it must be silent reflux but can't find anyone else saying they have a feeling of hair in their mouth. Help!!!
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    Does anyone have a feeling of having hair in their mouth? Driving me crazy
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    Did you also have the feeling that you had pieces of hair in your mouth? Driving me crazy!!!
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      Hi Arlene.  I can relate to this!  I had the sensation of a hair stuck at the back of my tongue - too far back for the GP to see but visible under endoscopy.  It was caused by a rough tongue with bumps which I am told was acid damage.  I have silent reflux.  Strict reflux diet has helped as have a course of antibiotics to rid the mouth of bacteria. Hope that helps.
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      Thanks for the info. Mine isn't at the back of my throat but all over my tongue. Can't see it and I try to take it off the tip of my tongue???
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    Hi I thought I would share my experience as I have been suffering from LPR, PND and globus sensation in my throat for over a year now. I am pretty sure I developed the LPR after two bouts of antibiotics for a UTI and regular use of Ibuprofen but never associated the condition with these possible causes. I put up with the condition for sometime thinking it was a bad case of sinusitis but in December I developed a pernicious cough which I just could not shake. This made my other symptoms worse and when I went to my GP it was revealed that the cough could be from the BP tablets I had started a month back. 

    Anyway I eventually managed to get rid of the cough but the LPR was slowly getting worse and also giving me headaches from all the swallowing I was doing to shift the overproduction of mucus. About a month ago the PND was so bad that I visited my GP again to see what he could give me. I had read a lot about the condition from online forums and was a little anxious about being prescribed a PPI as I'd read about how they didn't agree with many people. As predicted my doctor prescribed Omeprazole and Dymista nasal spray and he sent a stool sample to be checked for H-Pylori infection. 

    The nasal spray worked wonders for the PND but gave me a dry cough which became increasingly troublesome at night and the PPI seemed to be easing the LPR ( although that feeling of something stuck in my throat was ever present). However after 3 days of using them I woke the early hours of the following morning with severe nausea and headaches. Upon advisement from the surgery I stopped both.  My stool sample test came back negative so I have made an appointment to speak to my doctor on Monday. In the meantime I decided to take some holistic measures to see if I could help my condition. For the past 7 days I have been taking high potency probiotics and wild oregano oil and have noticed that my PND has been kept at bay and my LPR symptoms have lessened.  I'd read about Saka Ph8.22 water and the health benefits but it was only after I'd read some testimonials from people suffering from LPR and the benefits they experienced did I decide to try it alongside the probiotics and oregano oil. I have had a bottle of Saka each day for the past two days and I can honestly say that I am feeling better for it.  The globus sensation has eased greatly and I am feeling confident that my cough is also waning. 

    I am helping matters by eating smaller meals and minimising the consumption of spicy and fried food. I have also decreased the amount of dairy and sugary foods I normally consume as I am convinced that candida has a huge role to play in all of this ( I have suffered from bouts of Thrush all my life). 

    I am feeling optimistic as I have never felt as normal as I do right now as I am typing this.  I will give an update of how I am feeling after another week but if I continue to feel better by Monday I will be sharing my experience with my GP o that he can factor it in when helping others suffering from this condition. As for you, Anxious Alex, if you haven't managed to recover from LPR yet you could give my approach a go. Fingers crossed!

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    (Note – all of the brands below are listed using their US names as I’m located in Boston)

    Hi just a quick story here -- I have had what I thought was seasonal asthma coupled with occasional severe "coughing spells" lasting 6-8 weeks for the past several years. They always ended with a course of Prednisone and ZIthromax, but it was hell going through them. I was referred to a lung md who almost immediately said it's probably not asthma.

    The first consult with him was about my ongoing meds. He noted I had been taking Lisinopril (a blood pressure lowering agent) for years. He said to switch (he put me on Benecar). The cough cleared up almost immediately. (Take a look -- there’s a lot of info on the web about Lisinopril cough)

    5 months later, however, I’m back again with similar symptoms. This time he says it's probably LPR. His reasoning behind this is that my FEV1 (amount of air I can move with my lungs) is at 99.9% normal when I’m having what I’ve been characterizing as an “asthma attack”. The only suggestion he has is to raise the bed, eat smaller dinner and allow 3 hours before bedtime with no food or drink.

    Oh yes, and to try to “stop coughing”. My coughing is making my coughing worse. Geeze… thanks.. never thought of that… just stop coughing ! *

    4 more weeks of suffering and he suggests I get tested with an upper GI (barium milkshake time!). Results -- yep, I have a hiatal hernia and some reflux, so I am a prime candidate for LPR, but still no recommendation to help stop the cough. We resort to another course of Prednisone and Zithromax. all to very little effect -- I felt a bit better, but still not good.  

    Last Friday I managed to cough up a decent sputum sample (prior samples being rejected because there was not enough lung cells in there) and voila --- a new recommendation – I have an infection that commonly occurs in the gut, not the lungs, that does not respond to zithromax or other common lung antibiotics. The new theory is that I aspirated some stomach juices causing the infection.

    He then started me on Cipro. It’s been one day and I feel 100% better. I actually slept last night!

    This is absolutely maddening and the lack of practical knowledge by the medical community is certainly disappointing. Clearly this is a complex combination of factors, environmental and physiological including drug interactions and a complex physical path to infection.

    My advice: try to get your “lung gunk” cultured. Once they do that, they can choose the right treatment.

    This is probably a good short term solution for me. I’ll take my Cirpo and get well again and I’ll be good for a while. This made me wonder about long term solutions. Clearly there are surgical solutions, which I would rather avoid, but then I found this.

    I cannot vouch for it, but there is a new, non-invasive treatment available (at least here in the US)

    It’s basically a band that fits around your neck to help block fluid from passing through your upper esophagus (UES) and into your lungs.

    I’d be interested to know if anyone has tried anything like the Reza band and how successful it is.

    Good luck to all on this chain. You all have my sympathies and hopes that you can find a solution.

    * From some other personal experience, I would highly recommend Delsym 12 hour cough syrup. It really kills the urge to cough much better than fast acting dextromethorphan based treatment.

    Emis Moderator comment: I have removed the link as users can search Google for the product rather than link to a specific website.

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      Hi Rich

      I contacted the company that supply the Reza band and you can get it in the UK. I am going to follow up on that (last hope!!!)

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      Excellent! I'm meeting with my MD on the 20th and we are going to review together. They are $300 so it's not an insubstantial investmeent. The clinical studies look hopeful, but there's also a very small population involved. Be interested to hear how you make out. I will post back with info /opinion from my MD.

       

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      Hi Rich

      Yes I will let you know and please post your feedback. Cheers

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    Just an update from my post 20 days ago: I am feeling pretty good from the changes I have made and haven't resorted to any further medical intervention from my GP. 

    I continued with the the high potency probiotics for about a week then switched to a total candida defence supplement ( 1 tablet every mealtime), together wth the wild oregano oil and SAKA alkaline water. I continued taking smaller meals and not eating anything 3 hours before bedtime. I ditched the skinny jeans and have been wearing dresses so as not to cause tightness around my abdomen which feels so much more comfortable. I have also started to eat an apple 20 mins before one of the meals of the day. This in particular has helped dislodge that globus sensation and my throat feels so much freer. I only indulge in a couple of cups of coffee a week and limit the amount of fried or spicy food I have in a week. Chocolate is a treat now and again and limit myself to a couple of pieces. 

    I wouldn't say I' m completely cured as I have varying levels of symptoms raising their ugly head from time to time but keeping up with these changes has improved the condition immensely. I am keeping my fingers crossed that my body is starting to heal and have a much more sensible approach to my diet and lifestyle.

    Would be interested to hear from anyone else who has had a similar experience.

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      I've had LPR since Easter this year (6 months). Once I recognised what it was, i ditched caffeine and a lot of food containing fat. All the time taking omeprazole and Gaviscon.After 3 months, was referred to ENT who identified acid in oesophagus. He added nasal drops to meds. This did help with breathing. My symptoms are congestion at back of throat, becoming hoarse after talking or singing and breathlessness during high activity. After 4 months and no real improvement, I discovered saka water from this forum and alkaline drops, which I have used since, with some relief. However, I want to be rid of the condition (as all of you do) so last week I started the 2 week alkaline cure (Dr Stephan Domenig). I am half way through it. It has not been easy as the eating patterns are different to my usual habits, but I can understand the principles. The hardest thing to drop was milk and other dairy products. There has definitely been some inprovement, indicated by less reliance on gaviscon. I look forward to Day 14, but not sure how to proceed from there.

      I can see the value of your apple before meals and am interested in wild oregano oil. This diet focusses on no drinks with meals letting your saliva break down the food as you chew 30 times. I'm sure that helps. They mention flaxseed oil which I haven't used yet. I am also becoming a boring expert on which foods are acid forming.

      Sorry, I haven't scrolled on to read your original story, but what you are doing sounds encouraging

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      Since writing my last post I have stopped taking the sea kelp tablets and kanthil and am not taking anything now except replacing ordinary table salt with iodised salt in my cooking. I have noticed that using this as well as losing 5 llbs which has significantly reduced the fat on my stomache has helped to improve my symptoms of globus and reflux after meals. I also ensure I do not eat after 6:30pm in the evening ( and much smaller meals ) and sleep with my head elevated to reduce the risk of reflux in the night. 

      There are some days when I feel symptoms of globus and reflux in my sinuses but I have found that massaging certain points on my hands helps to ease the severity of the symptoms. I am trying out reflexology as I want to exhaust all natural forms of treating this condition and will let you know if it has any impact. Best of luck with your endeavours.

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