Missed dose

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I've had PMR for coming up two years and am now down to 5mg (from 30mg at the beginning). I'm now pretty much symptom free apart from mild aching shoulders at night and occasional bouts of tendonitis (had to have a cortisone  jab in a finger the other day!).

I normally take my dose at about 5.00 in the morning but a couple of days ago I found my pill next to my bed at 5.00 in the evening and realised that I'd forgotten to take my dose. So, I took it then (12 hours late) and took my dose as normal at 5.00 the next morning. The point is that although I missed a dose I did not feel any worse and I'm wondering if my PMR has gone. I know that I cannot just stop or taper too fast (I reduce at half a mg per two weeks) but how can I know when or if my adrenal glands are kicking in and if they are can I taper more quickly without risking symptoms of prednisone withdrawal or even worse some sort of flare-up?

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    If you feel OK on 5mg then your arenal glands are probably starting to function again, if they aren't you tend to feel more tired rather than less so as you reduce the pred. But this is the point you need to continue as you have been, not speed it up, more for the adrenal function than the PMR. As you reduce the adrenal gland set-up has to adust each time - and probably adjusts a small amount more easily than a large amount. 1mg per month is probably a good compromise.

    One very good doctor keeps people at 5mg for up to 9 months - I see why, but if you are able to continue reducing steadily I think that is probably better as you can see the progress and it is encouraging. If you start to feel more and more tired though - that's a sign to stop where you are and let your body catch up..

    I used to take my pred on alternate days - and could comfortably go the 48 hours between doses. It may mean that you would be just as comfortable on 2.5mg a day but that's a big jump and I wouldn't recommend it. The antiinflammary effect of pred lasts for 12-36 hours - so what happened would be normal if you are a 36 hour person.

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      Hi Eileen,

      Thanks as usual for swift and reassuring reply. I'll keep going and watch out for any symptoms and keep my fingers crossed 

      Hugh 

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    Usually over time there is enough fluctuation in one's dosage requirement so as to cause perceptible symptoms from time to time.

    If you have been free of all symptoms for some time, then I woud suggest that it is time to have a go at your next reduction, perhaps reducing from 5mg to 4mg every other day, reverting to 5mg/day only if symptoms become persistent.

    And I would recommend at this time when your symptoms are at a minimum, that you take advantage of your ability to sustain some level of increased physical activity early each day when your metabolism is near it's peak. There is strong correlation betweenthe body's metabolic functions and immune activity, and increased morning activity has always led to my ability to achieve further reductions in dosage.

    Since we are not "working out" like weightlifters do, our muscles shouldn't need 48+ hours between such efforts, and I do best with a certain level of daily exercise that I can sustain over time, even light weightlifting, brisk walking and short bouts of jogging, in addition to my daily bicycle riding. By all means avoid sitting for longer than a period of minutes when symptoms seem to "flare".  Better to lie down for 30 minutes or an hour than to sit for that long! 

    Oh, and 5mg is still a VERY significant dose of prednisone, you will not be able to just quit taking it, trust me on that.

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    I had an unusual experience last week.  Because of a stomach bug I definitely missed a dose and may not have absorbed much if any of the previous one.  I did not have any PMR pain.  In fact I felt better, that way, than usual.  However the morning of the second day I developed a persistent fairly severe headache, not excruciating like migraine but bad enough I couldn't read, listen to the radio, etc.  I also found myself weak, hauling myself upstairs by the banister.  Around four in the afternoon I decided I could keep down some food and took a dose of pred.  Within four hours the headache was gone and I felt like a whole new person.  I have taken advantage of this event to stay with a new low dose of 2 mg, had been at 2.5 and having a difficult time tapering.  I wonder if being without pred for that time sort of kickstarted something?  In any case a week has gone by and so far so good....

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      If a stomach bug causes a pmr patient to miss a meal, I woud expect the fasting effect to result in a reduced systemic inflammatory response.

      Exercise that burns a lot of calories has the same effect.

      Current thinking on immune activity has the body's adipose (fat) tissues comprising an organ that is fully intertwined with the immune system, from which pmr-causing chemicals are both produced and suppressed. So no surprise that immune activity might respond in some way to both diet and exercise.

      Good luck with your lower dose!  I've finally settled at 2mg after alternating days with 2.5mg during recent weeks. This after three years wth pmr.

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      Sounds good, except I probably have barely any fat, adipose or otherwise, to be causing this effect.  I still thiink it likely to have been a direct effect on the adrenals but don't plan to repeat the experiment any time soon!  

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      I'm in the same boat, yet my condition still responds directly to both diet and exercise, i.e. to changes in metabolism.

      I think that our ability to control "metabolic process rates" (of which there are many) is key to non-phamaceutical remediation of pmr, not to say that it's a fast-hitting magic bullet that will cure in one day, or that it can replace medication outright, but that it's the "biggie" out of the rather few things that we can do to improve life with pmr.

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      I have this suspicion that it all is to do with the mitochondria. Which would account for the improvement that exercise can make for some people.
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      That I think is getting to the heart of the matter!

      I'm off to try to rev up my mitochondria this (late) soggy morning with a belated, semi-brisk jog to the markets. I am cautiously very hopeful that this will allow me to keep my dosage below 2.5mg going forward!

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      I hope that there are mitochondrial studies being done with an ongoing PMR/pred study in the north of England. It involves a muscle biopsy and obviously that can be a bit off-putting for most people. I do know that a few have had it done. I'd be there in aheartbeat if I could - but I'm on anticoagulant therapy.

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