near vision poor after getting Symfony...seeking others' experience

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Hi,

I'm 44 years old and just had the first of two eyes implanted with the new (I'm in the U.S.) Symfony Toric lens, which I've researched extensively and was very eager and excited to get.

Now four days since having the surgery, I'm mostly satisfied: colors are much brighter and more vibrant (and more pinkish, bluish, interestingly), my distance vision is now restored and fine, and I can see pretty well at intermediate distances, i.e. objects are clearly defined all the way in to about 23 inches away, perhaps even 21 inches away in bright light (yes, I notice some degradation in low light, more than I'd expected).

The real issue for me is my near vision, which is much worse than I was expecting. I do know that the Symfony isn't all-around perfect, that e.g. I might expect only 20/32 or so (mean uncorrected near achieved in the U.S. clinical trials). And I know that's just an average, but even the distributions left me hopeful, with 81% of trials patients achieving 20/40 or better (that's monofocally; 96% were better than 20/40 bifocally). Meanwhile, I'm struggling to make out these words as I type, pretty much anything inside of 23 inches is blurry, and in good light I can only make out the 20/80 line (if I really exert myself, I can barely make out, mostly by guessing, some of the 20/60 letters, but mostly they're entirely unrecognizable). I feel as if I could have gotten results like this simply by going with monofocals, and I'm beginning to fear this is as good as it'll get, which is depressing.

Some background facts: Pre-op, I was mildly myopic (-1.75) in this eye and mildly astigmatic (about 0.94 cylinder). Also, at 44 I'd already gotten used to presbyopia, and typically would wear +1.25 readers for near. The specific lens implanted was the ZXT150 +16.5 (1.5 D cylinder). I doubt lens alignment is off, as my distance and intermediate vision feels non-astigmatic. My other eye (right) is scheduled for another Symfony lens 10 days from now.

So, I wonder:

1) Have others had similar experiences, i.e. poorer than expected near vision?

2) Does anyone have any idea what might have caused this?

3) Can anything be done to correct it?

4) If anything can be done, should I expect my ophthalmologist to do it (without having to pay more than the significant amount I've already paid)?

Thanks for any info and advice!

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  • Posted

    Well ... surely do not want to scare you and have no idea of how any existing medical issues may impact the results, but I has cataract surgery performed by laser with symfony lens implant last Thursday (10/5).  Could see immediately after surgery, albeit with dilated pupil affect.  Experienced no discomfort whatsoever other than  eye tearing. I'm 66 years old in good health as far as I know.  I would not think that your reaction is "normal" or to be expected.  Would recommend following up with your doctor.  Please let us know how you make out.

    • Posted

      Thanks Harry. Yes it feels like something is in my eye. I have tearing as expected but I don't know what I was to expect. Having kidney surgery and many others I'm fairly tolerent to pain but blindness in my right eye has thrown me way of.

      I hope this improves before tomorrow.

      Thanks for all the replies.

  • Posted

    I am 59 years old. I had 2 seperate opthomologists suggest I was a good candidate for the new Symfony lens. I had a Symfony lens ($2250) implanted in my left eye on 08/30/17 with plans to do my right eye with another 1 month later. Surgery went fine but was left with nearsightedness. I was 20/20, now at 20/25 which I think is probably on the wishful side. I have lack of depth perception, I have fallen down stairs a couple of times and everything beyond 2 feet or so is blurry and colors dull. I don't trust my vision to drive daytime and definitely not at night. My doctor gave me three options. First, re-implant another Symfony lens at a different correctness, implant a monofocular lens or corrective eyeglasses. All of these options are, of course, out of pocket. Not to mention the risks involved with having the first lens removed because of scar tissue having started around it. 

     

    I, too, am at a loss as to what to do. It really irks me they want to charge me to fix my eye for something they may or may not have done, I was aware of the risks, and, I am fearful of making it worse than it is by possibly losing more if not all of my remaining sight in that eye.

    I hope things worked out for you...

    • Posted

      Not sure why a doctor would do cataract surgery on someone who has 20/20 vision unless greed is a factor that is.
  • Posted

    That's not my experience.  I would love to get an update from you.  I had the Smfony lens put in my left eye 10 days ago.  I am 60 years old and had developed a cataract in both eyes.  I have an astigmatism in both eyes and am nearsighted and require +2.50 minimum reading glasses.  I had lasik surgery in my early 40's, which helped my nearsightedness for a number of years and have been needing reading glasses for over 15 years since my mid-forties.

    I heard about the Smfony lense from a buddy of mine who is also 60 years old and had both eyes done about 6 months ago.  He shed his reading glases and can see 20/20 without any glasses at all.  The only negative thing he mentioned was larger, more defined halos at night and in very dark light he needs to add light to be able to read.

    Back to me, I had surgery 10 days ago using a laser machine to both break up my cataract lense and perform the circular cut on my cornea (an extra $1,500 per eye, but much less traumatic and faster healing for the eye).  I also had an astigmatism and the doctor had to take additional calculations to mark my eye during surgery and place the new lense in the eye precisely and according to my prescription.  i could see much better after surgery and as I woke up on day one it was miraculous.  I tested at 20/20 on day one for my surgical eye (dominant) as well as when I used both eyes.  My right eye is scheduled for surgery in three weeks as the doctor wanted my brain to get used to the monofocal lense.  I have not worn my glasses since the surgery and am very comfortable without them.  As my buddy suggested the only two things I noticed was bigger and more defined light halos )from car headlights coming toward you at night) and slightly more difficult to read without glasses in very low light situations.  According to one of the technicians working for the opthamologist, these halos seem to get smaller over time (or you just stop looking directly at lights!) and people use their phones to increase the level of light in dark situations.  I look forward to getting my second lense and will definitely use the Symfony multifocal toric (for astigmatism) lens.  I am not a doctor, I am an informed patient.  In fact, I switched from my regular opthamologist because he did not recommend a multifocal lens to me.  He only used the Bausch & Lomb multifocal lens and said I was not a candidate because of a misshapen cornea on my right eye.  All I can say is that I now see 20/20 without glasses and havent even had the second eye done yet!

     

    • Posted

      Can you describe in more detail what you refer to as biiger and more defined halos?

      What types of lights do they appear on and do they look like thin circles/rings around lights? Are there several circles around a light?

      How about indoor lights like blue LEDs on cable modems and LED displays like on a digital clock or device, any halos/circles seen on those?

    • Posted

      Both of my eyes implanted smyfony. Multifocal non toric. After a couple of days, my distance vision is excellent with usual glares and halos.

      The only thing bothers me is reading vision. Upto this point, almost 4 weeks after op, I can not properly read anything within 20 inches.

      Just had a followup visit this afternoon with the surgeon, he said take more time and schedule. Another appointment. 6 weeks later.

      He said he can easily do Lasik on me to improve the result.

    • Posted

      What does "improve the result" mean?

      LASIK can change the effective prescription, but it cannot change seeing the halos.

      If your desire is to have a better reading vision, make sure that the surgeon uses the LASIK to modify the prescription in only one eye (preferably the non-dominant one or the one with the poorer distance vision). If you end up with about -1.0D prescription in one eye with the other eye being plano, you should have good day vision from 16 inches and beyond, but unfortunately the night vision issues will stay.

      Of course, the question is why he did not suggest having the 2 lenses set that way in the first place, if you had told him that you want to be able to see well at near, intermediate, as well as far distances (which is what most people want any way).

    • Posted

      LASIK does not deal with halo and glare which should subside in a few months and have the brain to adapt it.

      Better result means on the reading side. I guess the surgeon also means to alter one of the eye's prescription for reading.

      But at the first place, I want both eyes with multifocal lenses in order to get rid of glasses at all.

      If ending up one eye for reading and one for distance, it is against the wills to use multifocal which provides better depth of view.

      I will wait and see for a while before jumping to have Lasik.

    • Posted

      Ok, actually halos is probably not the best term. Starburst is a better description. It is a headlight with radiating lines that are very well defined (versus if you look at a headlight coming at you without lenses you will see a starburst with varying length streaks and out of focus).   Anyway, another thing to describe another feature of the Symfony lense is it looks like a spiderweb if you are looking at say the red, rear taillights (at night only) of the car in front of you. If you look at the Design of the lense you will see the technology is giving you focal correction through the use of concentric circles of lens. 

      If you look directly at a light source, even LED, you will see the starburst. 

      I would rate the lens 98%  positive, 2% negative; the 2% being the starburst at night. 

      As my buddy who had it done before me says, you just don’t look directly at the headlights. 

      As an aside, the technician in the ophthalmology Office said that over time, this will go away. She said our brains will begin to minimize the halo or starburst. She said it is the same reason I can see 20/20 with only one eye being done, our brain shuts down our non-dominant eye and essentially “turns off” our other eye.  Personally I don’t see how it could, just saying what I was told. 

    • Posted

      Alan, interesting, you mentioned the same thing about our brains adapting to what we are seeing, or what we are used to seeing!

      One other comment, if I had it to do over again, I would do PRK versus LASIK.   LASIK creates some irregularities and scarring of the cornea. It is great for dramatic correction and fast healing and less discomfort, but long-term I have learned that PRK May be the best long-term way to go for correction. 

    • Posted

      Starbursts and glare is more a function of the imperfect vision and can happen with any lens. Seeing about 10 lighted circles (or halos) around lights happen only with the Symfony lens. If the starburst and/or the glare is bad, those often dominate the lighted circles and thus, the lighted circles become less noticable.

      Based on my experience over the last year (and similar experience of others), the multiple circles remain as vivid as ever. One just gets used to the annoyance and one learns to live with those.

    • Posted

      I know quite a few people who had PRK either on its own or after cataract surgery who have horrific permanent complications. PRK is no safer than LASIK.
  • Posted

    random reply, off topic but, a week after I joined this forum I began getting so much junk mail I'll have to change my address.  Good Going Patient.Info.

     

  • Posted

    Hello! 

    Good to find this site after googling issues with Symphony lenses. 

    I am 6 weeks out and I am very discouraged about my eyesight. When I voice my concerns about being my disappointment  I am told to give it six months. Easy to say when it’s not your own eyes. 

    My Opthamologist promised “ the only time you will need your magnifying glasses is when you might be trying to thread a small needle. That’s hard to believe, doc.

    My distance vision was not that poor (20/30)? and I regret having spent the money on that. Then my near vision is at best, a bit worse. 

    I could have been the one who penned the above. 

    Since this was a year ago, how are you dating now?

    Can these lenses be removed? I wish I had not had this done.

    Thank you!

    J

    • Posted

      Hi Jaye

      At 6wks i was told wait 3months.

      At 3months it was wait 6months.

      Now at 8months I'm told that my vision will carry on changing and corrective surgery is not reccomended.

      I feel very sad to have sucked up the symfony vision optimism. Wish i could reverse the process.

    • Posted

      Can you describe a bit more the reasons why you aren't satisfied with the Symfony lens? I'm contemplating choosing Symfony vs monofocal...

    • Posted

      For my cataract surgery**** also wanted to ask you how your range of vision is holding up....
    • Posted

      Was wondering if you can describe why you are also unsatisfied with the Symfony. Is the result of your vision due to any after complications which would hinder the quality of the Symfony IOL lens?
    • Posted

      Hi Miguel.

      My dissatisfaction is down to unresolved astigmatism even though i had toric lenses.

      I was led to believe i could have laser top up to refine my vision if necessary.

      I am now told my corneas are too thin.

      I think if your vision isnt too bad, stick with glasses.

      If it is bad then you will probably feel positive with the vision you have after symfony implants.

      Glare and halos will remain a problem but will diminish with time

      IOLs are not a perfect solution. The technology has a long way to go.

    • Posted

      Sounds as though the issue you have is more to do with the astigmatism than the Symfony lenses.  I have Symfony in both eyes and couldn’t be more pleased.  I have not worn glasses since surgery 2 months ago now.  I read newsprint, phone book and see distance 20/20.  I do see concentric circles around certain light sources at night but I knew that was the trade off.  I do drive at night and find I am becoming more accustomed to them with time.  Certaly doesn’t stop me from driving at night. 
    • Posted

      Implanted Symfony in both eyes almost 5 weeks now.  Since 4th day after op, distance vision is great, intermediate is good; near is worst and disappointed.  2 weeks before went to see the surgeon for 2nd regular follow-up. He told me to give some more time and see him 6 weeks later. He said he can do some Lasik and I guess he implies to improve the near vision.

      I went to see my regular optometrist to check where I am standing and what options I do have for improvements.  My distance vision is 20/20, but near vision is 20/50 which is very bad.  She also said that time is not a big factor on lens adaptation which means it won't improve much 3 or 6 months later.

      As such, I need to wear reading glasses.  Moisturizing liquid may help a little for the implanted lens.

      She also said that it is not much can be done to improve near vision without compromising distance vision.

      In the meantime, I am trying hard to practise reading in different angles and near distances before any further decisions on my eyes.  I do not want to make another wrong decision which can not be reversed.

      My regular optometrist also said that the surgeon should give me try-on multi-focal contact lens before making decision which types of lens best suits me.  I wish I had visit here before the surgery.

      Suggest that you should try multi-focal and mono contact lens and see whether you can adapt and provide you the best result.

      Good luck.

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