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Hi everyone, I'm new to this page and just wanted to get my story out to people who understand what this terrible disease is like and hopefully get some advice back. Forewarning, this gets long. Right now things seem pretty hopeless to me, and in all honesty I have been fully considering taking my own life. Keep in mind I don't feel like killing myself due to depression. Before this crippling disease started really taking me down I was generally happy with my life and the direction it was taking. I'd like to get that back if at all possible, but if things keep going the way they have over the past few years I'd take death over this.

My story with meniers started seven years ago, and I'm 27 now. My first attack was very memorable and scary as I'm sure it was for everyone here. I was in the service while stationed in South Korea. At that point I had only been there for about three or four months when I started getting the classic fullness and tinnitus symptoms, but I had a lot of ear infections as a kid and I just figured that was all I had. I went to med center and they agreed that they thought it was just an infection even though they couldn't really see anything in my ear. I took the antibiotics and went back to work.

Luckily the dizziness hit me on a Friday night, my ear popped while I was laying in bed after having a couple beers out in town, I had a good buzz so when I started getting a bit dizzy I thought nothing of it and was pleased that I could start to hear again, so I closed my eyes and that's when it really hit me, my head was spinning so fast that I couldn't even tell which part of the room was up and which was down, I'd never been anywhere near that dizzy in my life from anything, then almost immediately the nausea moved in and I stumbled/fell into the bathroom and proceeded to experience the worst hell I'd ever felt. I have a high tolerance to pain and suffering but this broke me more than anything ever could. Crying like a baby, confused, I thought maybe I'd been poisoned and was dying, I sure felt like I was, maybe it was radiation poisoning, I didn't know. I ended up throwing up until the spinning slowed enough to close my eyes and fall asleep.

The next day I went back to the doctor, told them what I experienced and they just said it was my ear infection, I felt a little better and my ear was totally clear again, that lasted for a week before it filled again, the next attack wasn't as severe and I was prepared for it, I called my platoon Srg told him that my ear infection was back and was making me sick. He was a pretty good guy so he didn't give me too much hell but I knew if this persisted I could get medically discharged, I didn't want that so I kept my suffering to myself as much as possible. Luckily most of my attacks hit me on the weekend and then a month or so later they stopped all together, my hearing came back and I was back to normal.

My next cluster hit me pre deployment, where I was then stationed in New York a year or so later. We were doing lots of drills and had weeks of field time preparing to deploy, these were more manageable, I only had one bad one that was almost as bad as my first one, but I was able to work through the others, sometimes barely, and usually I'd get dizzy at night so no one could tell how bad I was stumbling around, my head just felt like a cinderblock. I was scared to deploy with this going on though, luckily the clusters ended, I went through my deployment mostly symptom free, which I find funny considering meniers is stress related in most situations.

However there was one severe attack I had, that put me in the medic tent overnight. The medics all thought I was on some sort of drug, I had to tell them over and over that I hadn't taken anything, they put me in a cot and basically accused me of taking drugs for over an hour while checking out my eyes, which of course were abnormal, then they made my hell even worse by shaking my head around as fast as they could saying some sh*t like they had to break the crystal loose, I still to this day don't have a clue what they meant by that, I was literally being tortured by medics. I started puking everywhere and they stopped, put me on a saline iv with some sleeping meds in it and knocked me out for the night. I woke up, felt normal, and went back to work, people in my platoon asked me about what happened. They knew I wasn't taking anything and I just said I had no idea and neither did the medics, I pushed that night from my mind and didn't have any issues the rest of my time in.

I no longer trusted military medical personnel to figure out what I had wrong with me, but eventually got seen by a specialist for my hearing loss and vertigo as I was preparing to exit the Army, he simply didn't have the time to conduct all of the tests he needed to diagnose me before I was going to get out and fly home.

So I went to see an ENT once I got home and after describing my symptoms he told me he was almost certain it was meniers but I could not afford to take any of the tests since I had dropped most of my savings into skydiving, I was admittedly young and dumb. He gave me a print out of the diet plan, gave me a prescription for a diuretic and anti-vert, told me there really wasn't a cure, and to come back if it gets worse. The bill was not cheap to say the least, but I paid and went on my way, I wasn't experiencing any of the symptoms anymore and they stayed away for so long that I thought it had just burned itself out as it does in some cases.

But here we are now, my visit with the ENT was four years ago , ive got my dream job working in skydiving, and currently working a second job in structural iron work. I've had a few attack clusters over the past few years, some just as bad as the first, but most were usually manageable, up until a little over a year ago. The fatigue has been pretty bad this time around, and my symptoms never fully go away, I used to live a super active life, I live in the Rockies so I'd hike nearly every day on top of having active jobs. I miss that all the time, but now I barely have the energy for work, I basically go to work, assuming my ear hasn't been full for two days (it almost always pops on the third day) and then go home and sleep, my vertigo episodes have not been near as violent until my most recent attacks.

The past two floored me, and my last one to happen, today, has been the most violent attack I've ever been through, it made my first attack seem mild. I've been following my meniers diet to the T for the past month, I've been avoiding stress, sleeping well, went from an occasional smoker to a non smoker, stopped drinking alcohol, and drinking more than enough water. But for the past TEN days my ear was completely full, up until this month the longest my ear stayed full was three days, so I thought that this lasting ten days was pretty strange, the tinnitus was intermittent, but my hearing loss started feeling permenant, I was actually adjusting to not being able to hear out of my left ear and no other symptoms were ever present, so I kind of got used to it, I was about to get the day started and go pick up some decongestant at the store, because with my ear being full for ten days I was starting to wonder if this was even meniers anymore. But then I didn't feel a pop, I felt what almost felt like a slight burst of adrenaline with a foreboding feeling of doom (sorry that's the best I can describe it) and the back of my head started tingling. I decided to hold off on getting ready and got back into bed just in case my ear decided to pop, I just knew I felt weird, I got up to use the restroom and test my balance, it felt a little off but not bad on my walk to the restroom but almost as soon as I turned on the light the room went sideways and the spinning just kept getting faster and faster until everything was a complete blur, by this point I'm very accustomed to vertigo but this was 10x worse than even my first attack, and had kept my ear full for ten days, it was like meniers on some serious steroids plus some extra symptoms I'd never experienced with meniers until now.

They say meniers isn't fatal, but even with that knowledge I felt that this acute of an attack could very easily kill me, I've feared for my life a lot, but I've never felt quite as close to dying as I did today, my roommates had all left for the day and I was home alone, I couldn't see strait enough to even attempt to use my phone, no one could help me. I had an empty stomach when it started at about seven in the morning, and the meniers diet doesn't really allow you to eat much of anything in America so I am already slightly malnourished as is. I started throwing up the little I did have in me until there was nothing left, and was in an endless dry heave spell for at least an hour strait, I couldn't stop, the spinning didn't let up at all either, eventually after some serious focus I slowed my dry heaving down and eventually stopped it, but was left sweating like I'd been in a sauna for hours. I fell over onto the bathroom floor, and laid there for about a minute barely able to breath, I managed to crawl to my room, it's only a couple feet away from my bathroom and grab a blanket, stumble, run, crawl my way back just in time to start heaving again from the little movement I'd just made. Heaved nonstop for another thirty minutes or so, it was starting to become a very sharp pain, the kind of pain so sharp that damage had to be happening, yet I couldn't stop the spinning or heaving, it hadn't even started to let up. I'd stop the heaving, fall into my blanket sweating and hot, keep in mind my house is about seventy degrees so it's not like it was cold, but seconds after laying down my body temperature would drop significantly and I'd begin feeling so cold that I felt hypothermic, I'd wrap up in the blanket but the cold would persist, then within a minute or two I'd be back up dry heaving for long periods and had extreme sweating again. This lasted for several hours without any change, eventually I noticed my whole body was starting to go numb, when I'd lay down I'd be blacking in and out, my breathing got super shallow, it hurt like hell to breathe anyway but if I had to guess it felt like one quick breath in and out every fifteen to twenty seconds, and I couldn't speed it up with my mind very well, it took a lot of focus just to breathe at a normal slow rate. I couldn't tell if I had enough air or not, it was a super weird feeling. Where I could feel my heart pulsing for hours through every part of my body I felt nothing, the spinning, nausea felt the same, and the cold was feeling worse and worse but I was no longer shaking, my whole body felt like it was on pins and needles except I couldn't even feel my hands and feet. Then I started losing my vision, black came in from the perimeters of my vision and I blacked out. I just remember thinking that that was it, my body couldn't take any more abuse. I woke up on the floor a few hours later, spins mostly gone, barely felt alive and went back to my bed which is where I decided to reach out and write all of this down. I still feel sore, especially in my stomach where that sharp pain was, most of the ear pressure is gone, but I can feel a little lingering and this time in both ears, I can't hold anything down for long, I managed to stomach a sip of water but any more and I throw it up right away. My head is pounding and any movement makes me sick to my stomach but not dizzy. Tinnitus still there but not bad...

I'm basically wondering, has anyone on here ever had such an extreme attack of meniers before? Ear fullness for ten days and all that? I'm wondering if there is maybe something else going on and meniers isn't really the issue after this last experience. I feel hopeless, the fact that there is no cure for this leaves me feeling empty, the thought of dying brings me comfort, and I'm not depressed, I just can't bear the thought of experiencing today all over again, without any way to fight it. I don't have a lot of money and I'm just starting out as a full time contractor and work for myself so I don't have health insurance, I don't really have hope of affording health insurance either so the costs for getting any sort of treatment is astronomical for me. I feel totally hopeless. Those of you that have felt this way, how did you cope? How did you adapt? Because right now I can't see a solution, I need to work, I don't have any way around it. Is there ANYTHING anyone has found to help, because I've done all the doctors have told me I can do and then some, I've tried and continue to try stretching and yoga, I've gotten adjustments from chiropractors, I've tried medicinal marijuana (which helps me more than anything, purely because it's a distraction and eases the stress of having this evil disease.) I've tried decongestants, multiple diuretics, plenty of anti-vert (which doesn't do a damn thing, it might as well be a sugar pill), I feel I've tried everything. Is there anything I'm missing? I would love any advice or words of wisdom anyone could offer me, I'm serious in considering euthanasia for myself but I want it to be my absolute last resort and I don't want to leave any stone unturned before I go through with it. Even with two ok paying jobs I can't afford those medical bills. It doesn't help that no one has even heard of meniers before, no one I know has it or knows anyone who has it, and on my good days I'm mostly fine so most people think I'm faking it. So basically I'm venting years of my frustration and experience with this disease for the first time right here. Anyone who's read this far thank you for listening. I'm debating starting a gofundme but I've never felt comfortable being on the receiving end of charity so it's really harder than it sounds to do so. I only want to raise enough money to go through the tests and possibly a surgery. Does anyone on here know what to expect to have to pay for those things? Any recommendations on health insurance? Ive tried the VA, all I learned there is don't try the VA haha.

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    Hi this is pretty strong stuff.  You are very young and sound fit and it is a very debilitating problem. I guess i am older and more philosophical.  My first attack was in 2014 and pretty violent and carried on for 6 months.  But after I was diagnosed and took the course of betahistine and did my exercises and actually got rid of the stresses (not easy) I am managing ok.  But still look over my shoulder for signs. I still had wobbblies for months after med and exercise but I  am where I want ot be now.  Managing a pretty tough and scary thing.  Its amazing they have a name of this for years but only in the last few years they are giving some proper treatment! Hey ho.  If you look at the contributors you will see that there are injections and medications to control the attacks.  Then you have to really look at diet and exercise.  There is help and you can work through this.  Dont despair just find the right people to talk to and to give you the help you need.  I had to change an awful lot but it wasnt a bad thing
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    Hi having just read your letter you have my empathy. .I have experienced some attacks you describe and it's hell ... please don't despair I am taking betahistine 3 times a day and it reduces the fluid in your ears and that slowes spinners down .. please go to your doctor and ask for these and try them mine are 16mg... stay positive it gets easier I promise ... also I'm going into hospital in 2 days for steroid injection into ear .. will let you know if it works ?

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      Hi Just read your reply.  How were you getting on with the betahistines and may i ask why you feel the need for the steriod injection.  will you give up the betahistine once you have the steriod injection.  How long will it work for.  and does it have any side effects.  I manage on the betahistines 16mg 3 times a day.  But dont really like taking them
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      Hi my ent specialist who diagnosed MD ..recommended me having it due to vertigo being severe so I'm going to try injection and see if it helps ... betahistine is working with water tablets and starting to feel better..don't know how long steroid lasts read up on it and some people need more than one .. but I won't go down that road .. but willing to try anything once .. being on here makes me feel I'm not alone as many people don't know what MD is and how bad it can be .. depression and anxiety go with this and feeling isolated due to hearing loss and hearing aids .. have to keep going for my 9 yr old son .. ?

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    Re betahistine - it is a very safe drug with minimal side effects. I am currently taking 64mg 3 times daily (and am allowed to go to higher dose if required) and my consultant wants me to wean off after 4 to 6 months free of attacks. I have done this before and was fine for nearly 2 years. He also advised that if symptoms started to re-appear - ear fullness, increased tinnitus etc - to not wait for full blown attack but get back on betahistine at the previous high dose and seek a review. That is where I am now and starting to reduce dose again. With the history you give it may well be necessary for you to go on a high dose regime to gain control.

    Although it looks very certain you have Meniere's have you also been checked for BPPV? - about 30% of patients also get this, and it is possible to treat it with the Epley manouevre and other exercises which you can do yourself.

    Good luck!

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    Wow, you sure got a lot off your chest, Taylor.  I hope you feel somewhat better by sharing all of this.  Based on my experience of having DM for more than 40 years.....it can be managed successfully if you do the following...

    1.  NO SALT (1000 mg/day max)

    2.  NO ALCOHOL....ABSOLUTELY NONE...EVER!

    3.  NO CAFFEINE....NONE EVER (coffee, chocolate, etc)

    4.  MINIMIZE STRESS/ANXIETY.  This is difficult for you now, obviously.  Take the sedative Ativan (1mg, 3x/day).  This med helps control inner ear signals to the brain that cause MD.

    5. Make appointment with a VA psychiatrist who can prescribe best medication for controlling your fears/anxieties.  Do not become another statistic because of MD which can be controlled.

    5. GET REGULAR EXERCISE.  Skydiving is NOT recommended....avoid sudden turns/spins, etc.

    6.  GET REGULAR SLEEP....at least 8 hours/day

    7.  GO TO VA and insist on seeing an ENT doctor that specializes in inner ear problems.  Not all ENT are specialists in inner ear.  This specialist will administer various tests to correctly diagnose your problem.  It may not be MD afterall, but any one of a dozen other possibilities. You have earned the privaledge of VA help.  Do not fear it....they will be able to help you.  Keep going until you see the right doctors.  If it is MD, there are medical treatments that can completely eliminate vertigo....Gentamicin injection is an example.

    As I said above, I've had MD for 40 years.  I've survived quite well based on above discipline.  You can too....it's better than giving up.

    Let us know how you are doing and give us a full report after you see the ENT and psychiatrist.  GOOD LUCK, Taylor.  I know you will be fine.

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      almost everything you have written is WRONG
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      I've had Menieres for over 20 years but for the last 6months things have changed. After a particularly scary almost drop attack, my doctor thought I'd had a stroke but I hadn't. Since that time I've felt as if I've had a continual hangover with mornings being the worst. No extreme spins but giddiness and feelings of loss of balance. At times I cannot bend at all without having to stop myself allying over. Lots of headaches and extreme tinnitus. I've had to stop playing golf and bowls but being outside either walking or in the garden is a help. Bed time is no better and all in all my confidence is at an all time low. I've just been told by my consultant that my Menieres has burned out. Unfortunately that doesn't mean it's over but that my balance system is wrecked. This won't change so what I've got is what I've got. I've been referred to a therapist who is going to try to train my eyes to compensate for my messed up balance system. I feel very depressed at the moment knowing there will be no let up in how I feel. Has anyone had this experience and if so how did you cope?

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    Hi,

    You have had a bad time.I know the feeling of being totally out of control of your body and mind. I was diagnosed about two years ago and at the moment it's ok bar very tired and fall asleep a lot of the time. The first sign for me was a day I felt a strange head after being out with my dog. We stopped at a petrol station and I was struck with the overwhelming smell, we just got home when I was violently sick all afternoon, when I got into bed my heart was racing. I had several other turns when I would be sitting looking at my laptop or reading & the room would spin, I would panic & run for the stairs practically crawling up them and after being sick I would spend the next three hours in bed.

    I was prescribed tablets for the nausea & sickness which I took between my gum if I was really sick. I then had a night of a prickling sensation like pins & needles Jin my head. This happened a few nights and I was prescribed 10mg Amitriptyline at bed time. I checked to make sure it agreed with my existing meds and discovered that I should not have been prescribed with the nausea medication as there was a history of blood clots in my family. Since I stopped taking them I have not had the freezing cold spells followed by dripping sweats and palpitations but it took a while. I have put on weight and still get the occasional smell of fuel which when I google it indicates hypothyroidism but I haven't been to my GP yet. I find I walk very slowly now and get short of breath which I need to check out. The most difference was last summer 2016 I had a course of four steroid injections over several weeks into my ear and it has made a great difference. I don't drive anymore by choice although it has meant I had to make changes to my life. Hoping you find something that helps you get back to normality.

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    Try meclizine I just had an episode and it really does help within a half hour
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    Hi taylor03140

    How are you doing now? I'm so sorry you are going through this. I had almost exactly the same experience as you when my MD started 5 years ago and what I would like to say is- there is hope. Believe me. I promise you there is hope.

    There's no point lying to you and saying you will never be ill again but I promise I have had long periods of wellness too.

    I thought I might die too. My doctor told me I was depressed and I said I wasn't. I said if only you can fix my physical problem I will be fine! Truth is I was depressed and scared that this was all my life was now. I took anti depressants and learned about mindfulness. It's not a cure but it seriously helps me to be in control of my thoughts when I have bad attacks. I have had both steroid injections and gentamicin - if you'd like to hear about it let me know. Sending my best wishes to you.

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    I would go through the same pattern of 2 or 3 days of pressure building and then an episode of vertigo where it felt like the ear would 'pop' and things would clear up. Rinse, repeat. 

    Twice I had periods where my ear wouldn't pop and stayed blocked. It was 3 days the first time, 10 days the second time. My audiologist (person doing the hearing test) said that when this happens, it's considered an emergency because damage is being done to the inner ear that can cause permanent hearing loss if not treated. This feels right to me, I had a dip in hearing after each time that showed up in hearing tests

    The first time was left untreated (I had no clue what was going on back then), the second time I was given 10 days of steroid pills (prednisone). It sort of worked...eventually. I also had 4 rounds of steroid injections in my ear around this time. 

     

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      We all know the story , this is one bad boy chronic disease. Let me say this after 2 1/2 years this is a battle. I totally agree it takes everything to fight this disease limit salt, water, sleep. Beta histamine, exercise esp. YOGA. I personally hate it for the young people out their I was 62 when it hit. Also Big on blind walking , blind stair climbing, blind seating and getting up from Shea clinic, also head exercises on intenet turning head left to right. Finally I let depression and anxiety come into picture it's pretty easy. The change's in my life were so painful but teaching was out , a lot stuff just had to change. But everyone do not suffer because anxiety and depression can easily come with disease. If need anxiety or depression help get it.And that my friend comes from guy been there done that. Do whatever you need to do to win this fight. Sadly it's hard for others to understand what u are going through a little ringing and falling. 3 worse disease to live with for people. Blessings to everyone tonight that is living with this disease.

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    Please try not to focus on all the things you CANNOT do --- I and many others are here for support and can relate. Something will help you manage your symptoms! I love my ENT doc and he has been nothing but positive with treatment options. I was diagnosed at 39 (a little over a year ago) but I know if I were in my 20s like u were I would've prob been even more devastated and hopeless feeling. I still have bad days but I am grateful that I can say most of my days for the past few months have been pretty dam good days. I take a diuretic daily, watch my sodium usually (not always), and I take Valium when I feel the start of an episode coming on. This has made my life livable to the point where I feel like I'm "managing" the symptoms as best they can be managed. Thank you for sharing your story and reaching out --- we are all here to help! Keep trying other treatments something will work!

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