New Sarcoidosis diagnosis

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Hi. I'm new here. Hopefully posting correctly. I've just gone through 3 weeks of hell and ending up with the diagnosis of pulmonary sarcoidosis. It started with a terrible cold that lasted 2 weeks with horrific coughing spells. I went to dr. And got a cough medicine which took care of that. A few days later I was back at dr. With sharp pain in lower rib area. She sent me for xray suspecting a cracked rib. Well I did indeed have a cracked rib along with a large spot on my upper right lung. So next was a ct scan to take a look. The news/results were devestating. Showed signs of malignancy and metastisized to lymph nodes. Next was pet scan. Worse results. My lung mass and nodes were lit up light xmas lights. At this point I'm sent to pulmonary dr. They already have me at cancer which was beyond frightening. Last test to confirm and find out what type of cancer was the lung biopsy. Biopsy results come back no cancer found but sarcoidosis. Not knowing a whole lot about this sarcoidosis I felt relief that it at least wasn't a lung cancer that metastisized. The whole experience has been an out of body one. I am still having the thought that it's cancer? Can a biopsy of the lung be a deciding factor of sarcoidosis? And could it be cancer and sarcoidosis?? Dr. Says they found no cancer cells and all granuloma consistent with sarcodosis. The drs. were just so certain I had cancer lpoking at ct scan and pet. They seemed shocked at biopsy results. Feeling confused as I don't have extreme symptoms of sarcoidosis. In hindsite I do realize I could contribute things in the last few years to it. Such as fatigue...occasionally out of breath...no cough though. I also did have a granuloma annulare removed from my nose 3 years ago that could have been a tip off. Just looking for any info. I can get as its been an emotional roller coater for me and my family. Thank you in advance.

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    I know what your going through, I had similar exp, sickening isn't it.

    You will get your head around it ... I have ups & downs with the cough, tight chest & tiredness etc.

    I did kind of go down hill for about 8 or 9 months but I got used to it & gradually picked my up again.

    You have to listen to body & not push it too hard.

    I eat well, train (not too much cardio as this can make me extremely tired) x2 - x3 times per week, I also cycle but only between 10-20 miles.

    Most importantly I try & be positive & enjoy every minute with my x2 boys. I work, run a business & bring my family up. You will get through this you just need to crack on & stay positive.... enjoy your life x

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    Hi Lisa. Your story could be mine. First sign was a nasal granuloma many years back. Then had a summer of coughing and was sent to the hospital with suspected lung cancer, and eventually received the Sarcoidosis diagnosis via a biopsy. So I would really suggest that you take the findings at face value. Xrays of both conditions can be similar, but if the medics have found granulomatous tissue, you have Sarcoid, not cancer. I've lived with Sarcoid for around 20 years (maybe more!). Most of the time it isn't disabling, though can flare up with stress or exertion. Find yourself a good consultant and they will help you to control it. My only real problems come with flare-ups which mean short term steroid treatments. The side-effects aren't nice, but they work. Good luck. Hope this helps.

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      Thank you TyagI for your reply. Our stories do sound similar. My biopsy of lung came back showing granuloma. And as I stated in my other post I have quite a few nodules and one as big as 2.1 cm. Did you receive treatment right away? Or did they keep an eye on it? I'm under the understanding it sometimes clears up on its own. Not sure at what point it's considered bad enough for treatment. I also have heard about staging of sarc? Do you know anything about that? Thanks again for your help

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      Hi again Lisa

      There do seem to be two types of Sarc, acute and chronic. The doctors do the same as us, keeping their fingers crossed that it is the acute form and will disappear on its own. In fact, some older texts say that this WILL happen. The experience of many more of us is that it won't go away. The usual procedure is than to treat with steroids, which suppress the inflammation and stop the cough. The usual drug in the UK is Prednisolone. It is given at a high dose and then gradually reduced, though it may take several months to reach full effectiveness. Some people don't respond to this particular medication and other drugs may be tried. In my case, I have long periods of remission when I feel OK though tired, and have to have a short course of Pred along with inhalers.

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      Sorry, some text seems to have disappeared. Remission is when I feel OK,but get flare-ups which is when I get Pred...
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    Hi Lisa

    Well I've been right there and I was living in England at the time I got the phonecall that it could be one of two things luckily it was sarcoidosis, but I had already made the decision of coming home to my family.

    They found what they called a liason on my spleen when they were giving me a stomach scan the they sent me for further tests to find that there were two, then a few months later after I had been told it was sarcoid they found that my spleen was completely covered and doubled in size also on my lungs, kidneys and leg.

    I am on steroids but trust me if they have told you it's not the worst case then they know. Don't stress or worry about this, it's manageable, I work 20 hours a week and also have a daughter of 17 months, I get sooooooooo tired and suffer with pain but it's not as bad as it could be.

    I hope this helps you.

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      HI Amanda. Thank you for sharing your experience. At what point do you expect treatment? And when you were on the steroids did the nodules decrease in size and amount?
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      Hey Lisa,

      I started treatment in Oct 2015 started on 35-40 mg a day I've been on them daily since (prednisolone) I'm currently on 10 mg a day and have been up and down in dose because of different illnesses and infections that I have gotten in the last year or so. I have had a couple of scans since been on them on my spleen and the liaisons have decreased greatly however because I have chronic sarcoid it is still currently active and unfortunately it has been for about 3-4 years, according to my xrays and scans and biopsies and symptoms.

      However I am not giving up hope, I'm due a mri on my brain in March and awaiting to.see an eye doc as my eye sight has got worse. But I'm positive and the steroids are working they are just taking there time.

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      Hi Amanda . I was a bit puzzled by liason, but I think maybe they didn't speak very clearly to you. I think they meant 'lesions', which are damaged areas.

       

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    Thank you all so much for the quick replies and it helps to know I'm not alone. My biggest fear after being told by all the drs. Who saw my cat scan and pet scan that it is cancer...is that they missed something. Being programed for 3 weeks that you have lung cancer to now you don't took a toll on my mental state. The pulmonary dr. That gave me diagnosis seemed quite casual about the sarc diagnosis. He basically said repeat cat scan in a month and see if it dissolves on its own?? I don't have horrible symptoms yet. Maybe some mild stuff but my thoughts are if I have several nodules...the largest being 2.1 cm. Some scarring and swollen lymph nodes in my chest that it seems fairly active??? Should I be seeking treatment?? Also very high up takes on the pet scan in both nodule and nodes. Just feel like maybe I should be doing something at this point to get the inflammation down. Any input is greatly appreciated and thanks again. So glad I found this site.

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    Hi Lisa

    Here are some general notes to help those who are new to sarcoid

    Hope they are of some help to you.

    Regards

    Tangles

    What is sarcoidosis?

    Sarcoidosis is a condition where tiny lumps (nodules), known as granulomas, develop at various sites within your body, due to inflammation. These granulomas are made up of cells involved in inflammation.

    Sarcoidosis most commonly affects the lungs and lymph glands in the chest area (pulmonary sarcoidosis). However, it can affect almost any part of your body, including your eyes, skin, heart, liver, kidneys, salivary glands, muscles, nose, sinuses, brain and nerves. If lots of granulomas form in a part (or organ) of your body, this can start to affect how that part of your body works and functions. So, it is the presence of the granulomas formed in response to inflammation that causes the symptoms of sarcoidosis in the various parts of your body.

    What causes sarcoidosis?

    The exact cause of sarcoidosis is not known. However, it does seem to run in some families so it is likely that some people have a genetic tendency (susceptibility) to develop sarcoidosis. It has been suggested that something such as an infection or another 'agent' found in the environment may trigger sarcoidosis in someone who is genetically susceptible to it. So far, no definite infection or agent acting as this trigger has been identified.

    Who gets sarcoidosis?

    Sarcoidosis is rare. Every year in the UK, around 3,000 people are diagnosed with sarcoidosis for the first time. It is most commonly first diagnosed between the ages of 20 to 40. However, sarcoidosis can affect younger or older people. Sarcoidosis seems to be more common in Scandinavian people as well as African-Americans and African-Caribbeans.

    Which parts of the body are affected in sarcoidosis?

    Sarcoidosis can affect almost any part of your body. It can also affect more than one part of your body at the same time:

    ·         The lungs and the lymph glands in the chest area are most commonly involved in sarcoidosis. They are affected in about 9 in 10 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         The skin is affected in about 1 in 4 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         The lymph glands elsewhere in the body are affected in about 1 in 6 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         The eyes are affected in about 1 in 8 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         The nerves and nervous system are affected in about 1 in 20 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         The heart is affected in about 1 in 50 people with sarcoidosis.

    ·         Sarcoidosis can also affect other parts of the body, including bones, joints, muscles, the liver, the spleen, the kidneys, and the gut.

    How does sarcoidosis develop and progress?

    You may not know that you have sarcoidosis. It may be diagnosed when you have a chest X-ray for another reason. Up to half of people with sarcoidosis do not know that they have it. They have no symptoms.

    The symptoms may come on quite quickly, over a couple of weeks or so. Some doctors call this acute sarcoidosis. Generally, acute sarcoidosis has a good outlook and tends to go away of its own accord without treatment. Löfgren's syndrome is a type of acute sarcoidosis. It is a combination of erythema nodosum (see below) with swollen or enlarged lymph glands seen on your chest X-ray, uveitis (inflammation in your eye) and joint pains.

    In other people with sarcoidosis, symptoms come on more slowly over a few months or so. Some doctors call this chronic sarcoidosis. Symptoms can get worse over time and often treatment is needed.

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    What are the symptoms of sarcoidosis?

    The symptoms can vary from person to person. This is because sarcoidosis can affect so many different parts of the body. Just one part of your body may be affected by sarcoidosis. Or, more than one part of your body may be affected. Some of the various parts of your body that can be affected and their associated symptoms include the following:

    ·         Lungs - you may notice shortness of breath (particularly on exertion), cough, wheezing, chest pain or (rarely) you may cough up blood (haemoptysis).

    ·         Skin - erythema nodosum is a condition that causes red rounded lumps (nodules), most commonly on your shins. This may develop at the start of sarcoidosis and is the most common skin rash in sarcoidosis. (See separate leaflet called Erythema Nodosum for further details.) Other skin problems that may occur include a purplish, raised rash on your nose, cheeks, chin and ears. This rash is called lupus pernio. Some people with sarcoidosis may develop small nodules just under the surface of their skin.

    ·         Lymph glands - these may be swollen (see separate leaflet called Swollen Lymph Glands). You may notice lumps under the arms, in your neck, or in your groins. Doctors may also notice swollen glands in your chest area when they look at your chest X-ray.

    ·         Eyes - sarcoidosis can cause a type of inflammation within your eyes called uveitis. In this condition the eyes become red and painful. It can also affect vision. (See separate leaflet called Uveitis (Iritis).) You should see a doctor straightaway if you have sarcoidosis and notice any eye symptoms. Your doctor may suggest an examination of your eyes when you are first diagnosed with sarcoidosis to look for any eye problems.

    ·         Heart - sarcoidosis can affect your heartbeat by making it slower or irregular. Damage to your lungs, caused by sarcoidosis, may also cause changes in the right side of your heart and it can become enlarged. This is known as cor pulmonale and can lead toheart failure if left untreated. Your heart can also become generally enlarged in sarcoidosis, known as cardiomyopathy. This means that your heart cannot beat as strongly or effectively and you can become breathless. Cardiomyopathy can also lead to heart failure.

    ·         Nervous system - your nervous system may be affected in a number of ways in sarcoidosis. For example, the nerves of your face, or your head, or your arms and legs may become affected. This may lead to problems with swallowing, drooping of your face or eyesight or hearing problems. Or you may notice numbness and pins and needles in your face, arms or legs. Sarcoidosis can also cause a type of meningitis. It can (rarely) lead to convulsions (fits) or stroke.

    ·         Kidneys - sarcoidosis may affect your kidneys, causing kidney stones because of high levels of calcium in your blood.

    ·         Liver and spleen - these organs may become enlarged in sarcoidosis. This can (rarely) cause problems with your blood clotting or can lead to anaemia.

    ·         Bones, joints and muscles - you may experience joint pains if you have sarcoidosis. Cysts can (rarely) develop in your bones. Inflammation of your muscles is also possible.

    General symptoms may also develop which include high temperature (fever), loss of appetite and weight loss. Fatigue can be a big problem for people with sarcoidosis. Some people may also become quite depressed.

    How is sarcoidosis diagnosed?

    Initial tests by your doctor

    Your doctor may ask you a number of questions if they suspect that you have sarcoidosis. This is to look for any symptoms that you may have and to see which parts of your body sarcoidosis could be affecting. Depending on your symptoms, your doctor may also suggest that they examine you. For example, they may suggest that they listen to your chest, carry out an examination of your lymph glands, examine your skin, etc.

    Your doctor may then suggest some tests. Some of these tests may depend on which part of your body is affected. Tests may include:

    ·         Blood tests - your doctor may suggest some blood tests to look for signs of inflammation. They may check the level of calcium in your blood, as this can be raised in sarcoidosis. They may also check your kidney and liver function and check for a lack of iron in the body (anaemia). Some doctors also suggest a blood test to check the levels of an enzyme (a protein) in your blood, known as angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE). The levels of this enzyme are raised in some people with sarcoidosis. However, its usefulness in helping to diagnose sarcoidosis is thought to be limited.

    ·         Chest X-ray - if your doctor suspects that your lungs may be affected by sarcoidosis, they will usually arrange a chest X-ray.

    ·         Spirometry - your doctor may suggest a special test of your lungs, called spirometry. A spirometer is a device which measures the amount of air that you can blow out. (See separate leaflet called Spirometry for further details.)

    ·         Electrocardiogram (ECG) - your doctor may arrange an ECG. This records the electrical activity of your heart and shows if there are any problems with this due to sarcoidosis that has affected your heart.

    ·         Dipstick test of your urine - a special testing strip is dipped into your urine sampleto look for any signs of blood vessel or kidney problems due to sarcoidosis.

    Referral to a specialist

    If your doctor suspects sarcoidosis, after some initial tests (above), they will usually refer you to a specialist to confirm the diagnosis. The specialist will also provide advice about how best to treat you. The specialist may suggest some other tests to help confirm the diagnosis and to see which parts of your body sarcoidosis is affecting. For example:

    ·         A biopsy - to make a definite diagnosis of sarcoidosis, in most cases, a small sample of tissue (a biopsy) needs to be taken from one of the areas of inflammation (granulomas). If your lungs are a problem, a bronchoscopy is usually done. A small telescope is passed via your nose, down your windpipe (trachea) and into your lungs. A sample of tissue is taken from your lungs and sent to the laboratory. The inflammation of sarcoidosis has a typical appearance when it is examined under a microscope. A biopsy may also be taken from other areas if sarcoidosis is suspected there. For example, your skin, lymph glands, etc. Note: not everyone with sarcoidosis needs a biopsy. For example, if you have the typical symptoms of Löfgren's syndrome, you may not need a biopsy to confirm the diagnosis.

    ·         CT or MRI scans - if your lungs are thought to be affected, a specialist may suggest aCT scan to allow a more detailed look at your lungs. An MRI scan of your heart or your brain may be suggested if sarcoidosis is thought to be affecting your heart or your nervous system.

    ·         Echocardiogram - you may be referred for an ultrasound scan of your heart (an echocardiogram). This can show if your heart is enlarged or affected by sarcoidosis. (See separate leaflet called Echocardiogram.) Other investigations to look at your heart may also be suggested.

    ·         More detailed lung function tests - other tests to look at how your lungs are working may be suggested. Lung function tests may also be used to look to see if your sarcoidosis is worsening or if it is responding to treatment.

    ·         Tests to look for eye involvement - you may be referred for a detailed examination of your eyes by an eye specialist, even if you do not have any specific eye symptoms. This is because sarcoidosis involving the eyes can seriously affect your vision if it is not treated quickly. The examination will usually involve the specialist using a special microscope (a slit lamp) to examine your eyes.

    What is the treatment for sarcoidosis?

    More than three quarters of people with sarcoidosis do not need any treatment because their symptoms are not severe. However, sometimes simple painkillers such as paracetamol or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as ibuprofen, may help to ease symptoms. For example, they may help to ease pain from the rounded lumps (nodules) of erythema nodosum, or joint pains.

    If treatment is needed for sarcoidosis, the aim of treatment is to reduce the inflammation and therefore the symptoms that it causes.

    Steroid medication

    The main treatment for sarcoidosis is usually with steroid tablets. The steroids help to reduce inflammation. Prednisolone is usually used and generally needs to be taken daily at first. Treatment with steroid tablets is often needed for at least 6 to 24 months. Over this time, the dose of the steroid may be gradually reduced. You are more likely to need treatment with steroid tablets if sarcoidosis is affecting your nervous system, heart or eyes, or if you have high calcium levels in your blood, or severe breathing/lung symptoms. Steroid drops or ointments are sometimes used for sarcoidosis affecting the eyes.

    Sometimes, steroid tablets may not be effective or may cause side-effects. Side-effects can include:

    ·         An increased risk of infection.

    ·         Thinning of the skin.

    ·         'Thinning' of the bones (osteoporosis).

    ·         Difficulty sleeping and mood changes.

    ·         Easy bruising.

    ·         Weight gain.

    ·         High blood pressure.

    ·         An increased risk of developing diabetes.

    See separate leaflet called Steroid Tablets for more details.

    Other treatments with medicines

    If steroid tablets are causing side-effects, or are ineffective, there are some other medicines that can be used as alternatives. These are broadly known as cytotoxic or immunosuppressive medicines.

    Cytotoxic medicines work by killing some cells thought to be harmful to the body. Immunosuppressive medicines damp down the body's own immune system. In some illnesses, the immune system can work against the body.

    The cytotoxic or immunosuppressive medicines used for treating sarcoidosis include medicines such as hydroxychloroquine, methotrexate, azathioprine and cyclophosphamide. Infliximab, thalidomide and tetracyclines have also been used in the treatment of sarcoidosis.

    Some of these medicines may be used alone (if steroids are not working), or they may be used in combination with steroids to reduce the dose of steroid needed. Each of the medicines has different possible side-effects. Some side-effects can be serious. Serious side-effects are rare but include damage to the liver and blood-producing cells. Therefore, it is usual to have regular tests - usually blood tests - whilst you take some of these medicines. The aim is that the tests look for possible side-effects before they become serious. You should ask your specialist to discuss in detail the side-effects of any medication that you are prescribed.

    Surgery and non-medicinal treatment

    Very rarely, sarcoidosis can cause severe scarring to the lungs. One of the options for treatment if this occurs is lung transplantation. Heart transplantation has also been used in rare cases where sarcoidosis severely affects the heart. Occasionally, people with sarcoidosis that is affecting the heart may need a pacemaker to help control the rhythm of the heart.

    Will I need any follow-up or monitoring?

    Generally, if you have sarcoidosis, you will be seen regularly by a specialist in an outpatient clinic. The specialist that you see will depend on which area of the body the sarcoidosis affects. For example, it is likely that you will see a lung (respiratory) specialist if the sarcoidosis affects your lungs and an eye (ophthalmology) specialist if it affects your eyes. You may need to see more than one specialist.

    At each follow-up appointment the specialist may ask you questions about any symptoms that you have; they may arrange a chest X-ray and some lung function tests. They may arrange examination of your eyes. They may also suggest other tests depending on your symptoms and which part of your body is affected.

    If sarcoidosis affects your lungs then you should have an influenza immunisation each year.

    What is the outlook (prognosis) for sarcoidosis?

    As many as 2 in 3 people with sarcoidosis do not need any specific treatment. Their sarcoidosis will get better of its own accord over the following two to five years. In about 1 in 3 people with sarcoidosis, it becomes persistent (chronic) and may require treatment. Someone with sarcoidosis can (rarely) be severely affected and may die. This is usually due to severe involvement of the lungs, leading to respiratory failure.

    The outlook tends to be not so good if sarcoidosis affects areas of your body outside your lungs, particularly if it affects your heart or your nerves. People who develop sarcoidosis quickly, over a few weeks, tend to have a better outlook. So do those who develop erythema nodosum, or those who just have swollen lymph glands seen on their chest X-ray and no real breathing or chest symptoms.

     

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    Hi Lisa

    Your story sounds very similar to mine.

    In sept I started with an annoying persistent dry cough that seemed to get worse. One night in October I started with sudden horrendous pain in my chest. I ended up in A & E. they sent me home the same day with pain killers and said it was pleural pain. A few days later I ended up so poorly that I was 5 hours in resus and admitted...the pain was unbearable and I felt so poorly.

    4 days later I was discharged with analgesia and pleurisy diagnosis. A few days later I became unwell again so went to the emergency dr. He sent me straight back to hospital thinking I had a Pulmonary Enbolism. I was on daily fragmin injections for a few days before I got the PET scan. They confirmed no PE ...but that I had enlarged lymph nodes in my chest. The words the consultant used are "it's more likely than not, that you have lymphoma". He discussed aggressive treatment etc! I was devastated. I was then sent for a full body ct scan. The next consultant I saw said it could be many things...not necessarily lymphoma. Great news ...but confusing for me and my family! I then saw the haematologist...then the respiratory team. By the time all these referrals (even though they were classed as urgent) were done, it was the week before Xmas when I finally had the biopsy. Thankfully it's not malignant ...but like you, granuloma tissue was found therefore they've diagnosed me with sarcoidosis. I'm so much better in myself now and finally felt strong enough to go back to work 3 weeks ago on reduced hours for the time being.

    I'm clearly over the moon I don't have cancer! However...there's not a great deal known about this illness is there?! So I'm left feeling a little confused as to what this means now. I don't require meds. They're doing X-rays and lung function tests next month and said they'll now "keep their eye on me". The doctor told me 40-50% of people who suffer acute sarcoidosis will go on to recover and never suffer any symptom ever again in the future. Hopefully we will be one of those people hey?! It's a pretty decent odds smile

    I think its important to remain positive and stay as fit as possible. I'm eating a better diet and have been going to the gym to gain my strength back. I'm pretty fit anyway but my diet hasn't been very good to be honest- I've a sweet tooth! When I've read up on sarcoidosis, articles suggest a healthy nutritious and balanced diet could help.

    I hope you feel better soon and that you stay healthy, xx

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