No PMR diagnosis due to normal CRP
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I am 50 years old (woman), and have all symptoms of PMR (and maybe GCA). However due to normal CRP I have been put through all kinds of test from ALS ,MR and cancer to polymyositis and Lyme disease (borrelia). They all said that if they did not find anything it must be PMR ON TILL they changed their mind. However my GP had put me on 15 mg of pred. and a miracle took place in 3 days. I have not been working for a year so I was happy (still is). I do not have a diagnosis, and have had to persuade the GP to follow the slow tapering scheme for PMR.
My questions to you is:
Does a normal CRP rule out PMR?
Have any of you experience muscle waisting? Like thighs and upper arms?
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ina0821 krillemy
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i definitely have weakened and waisted muscle in upper arms and thighs also extreme stiffness in those areas and pain in lower back and shoulders and hips my sed rate and c-reactive blood tests were initially very high plus i had weight loss and fever prior to diagnosis
krillemy ina0821
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Yes, I had all that, but normal blood values....
nick67069 krillemy
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It is unfortunate that Drs ignore the fact that about 20% of PMR patients don NOT have raised inflammation markers. This becomes great obstacle in diagnosing patient properly. On a flip side it is very common to have extensive tests performed to eliminate other causes with similar symptoms to PMR. That is perfectly normal. In the end, when nothing else is found, PMR is usually diagnosed.
Muscle weakness and wasting is not uncommon with PMR. To prevent it or slow don the process one has to make an effort to exercise as much as it is possible given the condition. Simple walks and stretching goes a long way. Do what you can and keep in mind that average PMR treatment lasts almost 6 years, so dont try to taper quickly. Prednisone only manages the symptoms and lets you have better QOL. It does not cure PMR. Nothing does, it has to burn itself out over time.
krillemy
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Thanks, this is really helpful as I begin to think that the doctors thinks that it is all in my head - Actually I am completely clear in my head after talking pred. for 2½ months 😃 I will look at the suggestions for tapering here at the site. I have gone down from 15 mg to 12.5 2 weeks ago, and I think I am now stiffer, and more tired again. However have started rehabilitation training, and that is tricking symptoms.
nick67069 krillemy
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You will find info on DSNS method here
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/reducing-pred-dead-slow-and-nearly-stop-method-531439
In general, you dont want to reduce more then 10% of the dose, especially under 10mg. Above 10 mg it is usually OK, but some people find 2.5mg drop too of a big step. Stay at least 2-3 weeks at new dose to make sure that you have not reduced too much too soon. Remember, you are looking for maintenance dose that will manage PMR inflammation properly; You are definitely not rushing to zero pred, because it usually ends up with flare and going back to much higher does to recover. It helps to get 1mg pills and later you will need pill cutter, when your steps are less then 1mg.
If you have any question, just post here. There will be some "old timers" to help you ( count myself in that group after 4 years 😃 ).
EileenH krillemy
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No. Approximately 20% of patients with PMR or GCA have blood markers that remain in normal range - that doesn't mean they aren't raised for you though. My ESR/sed rate was 16-18 for a while while I was flaring madly and could barely move. MY personal normal is 4 but no-one remarked on the 18 level. And there are direct warnings in the medical literature about assuming that normal markers mean it isn't PMR or GCA.
My thigh muscles wasted badly when I was on methyl prednisolone for several months, When I was switched to prednisone everything went back to normal. One of the recommendations is that an appropriate exercise programme should be provided for patients to avoid muscle wasting.
ina0821 EileenH
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my sed rate was very low as was my c-reactive protein one was 16 and the other was .01 definitely not symptom free though ipper arms and hips very sore hips hurt all around to their backside . My lower back hurts when walking and standing My stride and gait are horrible and im using a cane especially for stairs My edema is not going away in soite of using a diuretic every other day Cant use daily due to sjogrens and kidney stone issues All other labs were good Feeling alprehensive about going diwn to 10mg
krillemy EileenH
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Thanks, I lost muscle during the first 3 months of a severe symptoms. Now it seems to have stopped, but I still have a lot of muscle twitching, more after physical activities. Is this twitching seen in PMR as well?
EileenH krillemy
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I used to have twitchy muscles - no idea if it is due to the PMR but I;ve heard quite a few mention it so very possibly it is.
Anhaga krillemy
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Although exercise is important in order to maintain fitness and range of motion you must NOT overdo it. It is much easier to overdo exercise when you have PMR because the muscles are not able to recover as quickly from exercise as they would normally. Couple that with the muscle-weakening effects of pred then you see it is important to be careful and not expect too much of yourself at this stage. Later on as your dose continues to taper and the disease is less active than it is at the beginning you will gradually be able to build up again. But there is no hurry - if PMR teaches us anything it is patience!
EileenH Anhaga
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And let's face it, once the PMR wears through you can be back to normal. As Skinnyjonny has proven at the top of Annapurna:
https://healthunlocked.com/pmrgcauk/posts/141380665/in-remission-with-pmr-and-climbing-one-of-the-worlds-most-dangerous-mountains
https://healthunlocked.com/pmrgcauk/posts/private/141950375/re-john%E2%80%99s-climb-on-annapurna-%F0%9F%8F%94?responses=141957029&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_individual_response?uid=eaba7d6c-c725-415f-81b4-a26e00dcd92d&
krillemy EileenH
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