No Sleep off Mirtazepine

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I have tried to come off Mirtazepinre many times using different methods, the best Method seems to be the slow taper. The problem is the jump off point I can last about 7 days and feel good and sleep ok but around the 5- 7th day no sleep starts, I have to work to make a living like most, so not having sleep is so stressful, nothing I can take over the counter can help get me to sleep, like MERT, and of course the other drugs known as addictive, Lorazepam (BENZO) helps but Doctor very scared to prescribe, because of the addiction, Well what about the MERT? And just how addictive is not being able to come off the MERT, yes!!  It’s  not like Cocaine, morphine, METH, Heroin. BENZO addiction, it is another type of addiction that they don’t tell you when you start taking it, and that is because most GP’s don’t relly know much about it,  but what they read from the studies. It’s called the silent addiction drug, it’s the drug that is not addictive but can be if you are that person. Anyway,  on my next taper,  I was thinking about doing Cannabises since it is legal where I live and I have been reading about the different strains and there is one that is good for insomnia that I would like to keep handy for the sleepless nights  I know I am going to suffer through, anyone have any experience with this type of method? 

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    HI SWITCHMAN02263....u do not say how long u have been on mirt or what mgs u was on ..i myself WAS in a terrible state 6-7 weeks ago with chronic insomnia/dep/anx/ect..i started on 7.5mg i was prscribed 30mg but was scared to take that ..so took 7.5 this made me ill like a zombie so reduced to 3.75mg  i have been on this for 3 weeks.i have improved greatly,but hardly any sleep..dr said to up to 7.5mg again because of im prove ment  i did this last thurs i sleep 3 hrs good better than zero but cannot get out of bed when i do im fine so will stick with it..u do not read much about low mgs of mirt..but it is helping a lot ..just hope i can get more sleep..i dont think the other methods u suggests will help in the long run       just thought this might help    good luck     bluesy
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      Hi Bluesy

      I have been on MIRT 7.5 for one year for sleep have had to up to 15mg  over the course of the year to get same effect of sleep, Then  I get up to 15 I start to ween down back to 3mg right now, trying to stableize at this low dose then make APT to see DOC next week to talk about getting off completely this is the hard part is getting off completely and now getting around the XMUS days friends and Family.

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      HI.SWITCHMAN..THANKS FOR REPLY..it seem;s to me u r nearly there except for the sleep factor..[same as me] as  i said back up to 7.5mg 3 days ago first 2 nights 3 hrs sleep..last night awake all night just in a daze i had a real bad dream feels crap today..how long do u sleep on 7.5mg and also 15mg.. also i took 2 strong painkillers just before the mirt for my spine problem maybe they did not mix ?? i will stay with 7.5 mg for 4-5 days longer ..then see what happens..i think if u continue to reduce very slowly down to zero u will be ok ..what was u prescribed mirt for to start with was it dep/anx/insomnia...or just insomnia if all three how do u feel now about dep/anx...hope i get some sleep tonight ..fingers x  good luck                           bluesy
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      hi switchman...forgot to add i decided to have a quiet xmas as not to interfer with medication i have not had a drink for 5 weeks before then i had 3-4 cans every night it is very tempting but not going to take the risk...................................bluesy
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      Hi,

      For me when going down to the lower dose, I introduse what I call all sleep enhancers / supplements that have keeped me going,  im takeing then now. 7 days is the most I have been off and I have tryed to come off 4 times in the last year that I have been on it.

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      HI SWITCHMAN. just a few quick words..as i said first 2 nights 7.5 mg slept 2-3 hrs .3rd night no sleep terrible dream .like i was in a semi/coma.last night 7.5mg again..NO SLEEP..NO DREAMS..I COULD NOT GET OUT OF BED UNTILL 2PM THIS IS NO GOOD TO ME..I NEED SOME SLEEP..SO WAS THINKING OF TAKING A SMALL DOSE OF DIAZAPAN AFTER THE MIRT.TO SEE IF I CAN GET A FEW HRS...A BIT SCARED TO DO THIS ..what do u think   also my head is buzzing all the time...OR CAN ANYONE ELSE HELP or shall i stick it out till i see dr next week ??                   bluesy
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    I'm down to 3.75mg. Planning to finish in next week or so. Sleep is not as good as before but coping at present. Also tapering Velafaxine. All I know about cannabis is that it can cause psychosis. I'd be very wary of trying it. When you came off the Mirt how did you do it? Everything I've read here suggests reducing by small amounts is best for avoiding side effects. I did it in 7.5mg increments until I was down to 7.5mg then I halved it. I sleep less but I don't feel sleep deprived.

    Take care and good luck

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      Hi,

      I have been 7 days no Mirt had to take 7.5 last night as I heve not had any sleep in 48hr and I have to go to work, My mood seems alot better this time around, next week will see DOC and  talke about options.

      for me weening to 7.5 for about 7 days then jump off works but some other people are alot more senative and need to ween down to 1mg.

      If I doint  make it this time I may try weening even more to give it more time.

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      Its the oil, the moderators won't let me name the darned thing.

      Switchman, when you say you slide into insomnia when you jump off Mirt ... what dose are you jumpimng off from??

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      My experience, unfortunately, is that GPs don't know enough about this drug. I saw my GP yesterday for something else and told her I was down to 3.75mg as part of the weaning process, she actually sniggered. Honestly their knowledge goes as far as reduce by available doses, then break in half, then finish. I'm so grateful for this forum, I've learned much more here than from my GP or pharmacist, and the mutual support is priceless.

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      Hi Switchman

      Right I understand, 3.75 then off ... too high I think.  I know its hard but if I were you, and I know I'm not (!) it may be wise to reinstate at that 3.75 last dose, and do a slow taper right down to 0.1 mg ... it means making a liquid, it isn't as difficult as folk think.  Click on my name and follow the links, the liquid method is there.

      So do drops of 10% each time, if you get stuck with the suns give me a shout.  

      Hope this might help.

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