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Just had 2nd set of blood test back from Doctors and my Plasma C reactive protein is showing as 116, last month it was 46. I have pain in shoulders and hips though sometimes it feels as though I have been punched in the arm or leg and sitting down feels like I have been on a long bike ride and the saddle has rubbed my butt, I can barely move some mornings and cannot bend to get things on the floor. my doc weaned me of Pred as it seemed to work for a while then the pain and stiffness came back, they tried me on Naproxen but it brought me up in a rash and made me dizzy, I am now on Arcoxia and 90mg a day and Zapain 60mg 4 x day which sometimes is great and other days its not and I can hardly get out of bed. I am seeing the Rhuematologist on 1st June does this sound as though it is PMR?
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EileenH drucil789
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The way pred is used, dose and reduction of that starting dose, is crucial so if your GP got that wrong it won't have worked.
Apart from anything else - if you take 15mg of pred to start with and then go out and do all the things you haven't been doing you will overuse your muscles and they will hurt again. PMR makes your muscles intolerant of exercise and the pred doesn't change that much, it just manages the inflammation to relieve the pain and stiffness. But it must be used the right way and you must do your part - by resting and pacing yourself.
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pat73046 drucil789
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EileenH drucil789
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There are other things that cause the symptoms - did your GP do tests to rule out other things? Including vit D deficiency? Late onset rheumatoid arthritis can present in exactly the same way - and to be honest I would expect that, if 20mg pred let the symptoms back in, the rheumy will try you on other things and not simply a higher dose of pred.
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snapperblue drucil789
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So, your first question is whether you have PMR or something else. I think the symptoms vary a lot, so this may be hard to tell. Your description of lying in bed, unable to get up and anticipating the pain is certainly something I recall! (I learned to slither to the edge of the bed and roll off onto my knees. Then I only had to deal with standing up from there.) There was a lot of yelping.
Heaven forbid I needed to roll over in the middle of the night! Excruciating!
One of the signs is whether you can raise you arms. (Severe pain that stops you from this is a sign of PMR.) Is the center of your outer upper arm tender to the touch? (One proposed test for PMR is applying a blood pressure cuff to the arm, pump it up, and see how long it takes for the patient to start screaming. Well, they did not explain it in exactly those words…)
Rapid response to prednisone is one of the criteria used in diagnosing PMR, which argues against your having it. I had all the classic signs except I had a slow response to prednisone and needed a higher dose. The symptoms did not clear until I had a week on a high dose (up to 60 mg because of suspected temporal arteritis) and I then sometimes required up to 25 mg (when traveling caused a relapse). My doctors are suspicious of the PMR diagnosis because of my failure to respond to prednisone the way most people do. However, I am now down to 10 mg and have no pain at all. So maybe some of us just need to hit it harder at first?
I have not heard of prednisone becoming less effective over time. However, in the reading I have done on this (I’m not a doctor!), I have come across something called “corticosteroid resistant PMR.” For these patients, methotrexate and tocilizumab seem to work, though not nearly as quickly as prednisone. Tocilizumab blocks activity of interleukin-6, a protein that (among other things) promotes inflammation. Interleukin-6 levels are high in people with PMR. (Other studies showed methotrexate did not have a significant effect, but they did not separate prednisone-resistant cases, which may respond differently from run-of-the-mill PMR.) I can send you references or links in a private message if you like.
I’m not sure this is helpful, but maybe it will give you something to ask the rheumatologist about.
I really deeply sympathize! I suffered extreme pain for only a few weeks and can’t imagine facing it over the course of months. Best of luck with a speedy diagnosis of something that can be treated!
bronwyn97278 snapperblue
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EileenH bronwyn97278
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The lifting your arms is also not a 100% test either - I could lift my arms without pain, I just couldn't sustain the position or do anything without my arms tiring - getting anything from a cupboard was somewhat difficult!
The trouble is, everyone presents so differently and the one thing that the people who run the support groups have collectively found is that the only tried and tested thing is: "Does pred relieve your pain at 15mg? Is that response maintained with lower doses as long as you reduce VERY slowly?" If the answer to that is yes, then you probably have "pred-responsive PMR", if not then other approaches and diagnoses must be considered.
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