Pain contol

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Good morning all. Yesterday was a rough day for me and I threw  everything in the arsenal at my PHN. Routine Lyrica (take 400 msg daily), put on two lidocaine patches, used my heating paid and took (over 24 hrs) a total of 30mg of 10/325 oxycodone. Finally got some relief.  The pain med use is a catch 22 to be sure. I would like to taper but on days like yesterday that seems unlikely in the near future.

Interestingly I had developed a rash on my arms and legs last week and my NP called in a cream for me. It is the same cream Charlie has been using. Small tube and coat only $4 but I, like Babs, have a pretty large portion of my body to cover. Have never tried Aspercreme may give it a try.

I know it is a highly sensitive subject, but have any of you had experience with opioids to control your PHN pain?

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    Hello. I came down with shingles May 2016 when I was 48. I am a nurse anesthetist, so I'm very familiar with pathophysiology and narcotics. I won't waste time explaining my profession. Its akin to a nurse practitioner who does their masters degree in anesthesia. Anyhow, my pain was at a 9 at first. Used an old oxycodone bottle liberally. It didn't do much if at all. So I quickly found a pain specialist. These are anesthesiologists who finish their residency and then do a pain fellowship. This was a group of 3 docs. The first was an older gentleman....kind...he said he would start me on an older drug that historically had been good for phn pain.....methadone. It didn't do much for my pain at the dose he prescribed. My next appt I saw the next partner. He stopped the methadone and put me on MScontin. At the dose the nervous doc prescribed, I had little relief. Then I saw the third partner. He had a better resume than the other two, much smarter. He stopped the oxycontin and put me on fentanyl patches. It's a powerful drug. Kills a lot of people who misuse it. We use a ton of it in surgery. It wasn't helping me. I called him and he upped the dose. My second call he bumped it up again. Now I was on doses that terminal cancer patients use. Still no relief. So we went back to methadone and increased the dose a bit. Finally some relief! Some.... Then we tried another route....an intercostal nerve block. Injecting a local anesthetic mixed with a steroid. I was heavily sedated. No success. During this May through September I was also taking lyrica. I traveled to Cleveland Clinic. The M.D. I saw said he thought I would have the phn for at least 2 yrs. He wanted to try a treatment called Qtenza. Read about it at their website. The doc said it had a 50/50 chance of working in his experience. It was very painful but it was because they didn't give me pain or sedation meds. Needless to say it didn't work. Now the pain guys at home were getting frustrated and nervous with the amount of narcs I required. We all worked for the same anesthesia corporation and this may have played it's part. I had to find a new doc. I called my anesthesiologist friend and she recommended a friend of hers. Thank God above he is wonderful. I am so blessed. Truly. He right away upped my methadone and it brought my pain down significantly. From an 8 to a 4-6. He tried an epidural on me to see if it would help. I didn't feel a thing and had no sedation or pain meds. He's got the touch, but it didn't help the pain. So during this time I was on 60 mg of methadone. 20 mg every 8 hrs. and lyrica. I went to see a neurologist to see if she had any ideas. She put me on nortriptyline. It really helped. It's also an old antidepressant. It IS indicated in the treatment of phn pain, however. We ended up increasing the dose some months later. Still on lyrica at this time. Forgot! The first group had me using 2 creams. One was 5% lidocaine. The other was ketamine/gabapentin/anti-inflammatory cream compound from a special pharmacy. This was my last resort when I was in uncontrolled AGONY. It was very helpful when it kicked in, but i had to have someone put it on. I cried bitterly and occasionally screamed from the pain when my mom put it on. Back at my pain doc we upped the lyrica to 200mg every 8 hrs. I take my nortriptyline at night. It makes one sleepy. I was given a prescription for celebrex, so I thought, what the Hell. I take it once in a while. I don't mess with Tylenol or ibuprofen. Daily, long term use is very hard on the liver/kidneys and mine was dealing with enough already. Also forgot to mention that when (at 48 hrs) I knew I had shingles, I was immediately started on an antiviral (and steroids). The antiviral is the protocol at onset. Not much of the literature support the use of steroids during onset of phn, but I did what I was told. Oral steroids are NOT something to use freely. It is some serious sh_t. and really messes some patients up. Prior to this all I was on two antidepressants and a mood stabilizer for type 2 bipolar. Still on these meds plus another antidepressant, making it 3. My pain doc jumped on the bandwagon of legalized marijuana here in Florida. He wanted me to try it. It is supposed to help heal nerves, too. I don't know if it helps my pain but we are still trying different concoctions to see what will work best for me. It comes in drops, creams or vaporizer. It helps my anxiety for sure and really helps me sleep at night. Now methadone can cause heart rhythm problems so I required an EKG every 4 months. With my last one I did have a change. We switched one of my antidepressants because it can cause similar rhythm problems. A week later my EKG was back to my baseline. But my pain doc wasn't happy. He wants me to cut the methadone down by half. Now I am working on decreasing the methadone SLOWLY and pretty easily. Decreasing methadone too quickly is Hell on earth and worse. While cutting back on my methadone we are adding a new drug to replace it. It is called Xtampza ER. It's extended release oxycodone. What's good about it is they have built it so that it is abuse deterrent. I take it every 12 hours. On it's website you can get a coupon card that covers most of the cost for the first year. So that is my narcotic journey. I have done a ton of reading on the internet to educate myself on the meds that help nerve pain, that have been studied and the consensus say it is indicated. Oh, my shingles went from breast bone, under my breast around to my spine. It felt like I was in a vice or bitten by a shark. I have lived topless at home since I got sick. I go out shopping or doc appts and shirts are torture. The shower hurts. Sweating down my back is horrible. I mostly sweat head to hip on the side of my shingle. It is bizarre. The narcs and menopause cause my sweating. I have recently heard about the use of an old anesthetic drug for phn. A powerful narcotic I've only used in surgery. Ketamine. They are successfully using it intra-nasally and intravenously. You can read up on it. It is also being used intravenously for depression that isn't responding to meds. For phn, when IV ketamine is correctly administered in the right/safe setting (hospital or out patient surgery) the weird side effects and hallucinations rarely happen. Research and find a facility in your area where the ketamine IV treatment is frequently done. Don't misuse any of the meds. They can easily kill you. I have to say, be careful to take what other patients say as the Bible. Many lack the education and understanding of the treatments and meds. Read the medical websites like Medscape or Mayo Clinic website. Educate yourself on this stuff. I'm still learning. It will empower you. You may even end up knowing more than your doctor. Good luck.🤝

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      Thanks for your detailed sharing of your PHN “journey” Bonnie. I am having some pretty significant pain this am so want to respond again when feeling better. I have had PHN since Dec 2015. Was misdiagnosed however for 4 months,had an atypical presentation. This website has helped ease the isolation I have felt. My husband is wonderful but has grown weary.
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      Wow Bonnie. That's a LOT of heavy duty drugs you're on. I find it a bit scary, so please be careful. The location of our PHN is similar, back/chest. I only use Gab and am currently on 1200 mg/day down from 2700 a year ago. I was diagnosed with shingles in October 2016. I also use Aspercreme 3 times a day and 2 extra strength tyelenol 3 times a day, plus a prescription NSAID I've been on for years. I've heard the NSAID can work to enhance the Gab. I've also worked hard to manage my activity to avoid activating the pain any more than necessary. At it's worse, I used a straw for drinking as lifting a class of milk was too painful. I'll spare you the details, but anything that caused pain due to lifting, turning or bending, I limited. Now 15 months later there is a definite improvement. I've gotten back parts of my life, but I did have to quit working. Take care and I hope you find some relief soon. Ironically, as I taper off the Gab (I have to do so VERY slowly 100 mg/month, honestly) some of the pain seems better too. Or at least the way I react to it. Eventually for many of us, it can become more of an annoyance (on a good day) than a life-changing level of pain.

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