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Called them and they said they will send a copy out. It's for received on the 1/9/17 and it's now with the decision maker

Taking a benefit decision to a Tribunal has always been free, no one ever has to pay for this.

No there's no need to tell them because PIp is about how your condition affects you daily not about a diagnosis or what medication you take. When reporting changes of any kind to DWP you have to be so careful because they'll send you another PIP2 form like the first time, and your son would end up having another face 2 face assessment.

Hi denise15811  come home from work and seen the brown envelope thinking it was the atos report and settled down to read it only it's not was the decision and been denied both pip and mobility. Callled them up and asked for the MR. I said I have requested a copy but she told me it's not been done but will be sent out this evening. She asked me what do I think is wrong and I said her question to cooking a basic meal and the response from my son was i  feel I can cook with the oven but due to my epilepsy I feel unsafe doing this. I will also cook a stir fry but need supervision when making this ..if not I just make a sandwich or a microwave meal and she scored him 0 points 

Hi Kerry,

I'm sorry to hear this. Firstly you need to put that MR request in writing. It's very important that you do this because they could turn around and tell you that you didn't ask for it. Putting it in writing means you have proof in black and what that it's done. You have 1 month from the date of the decision to get this in.  What you need to do is state where you think he should have scored those points and why. You'll also need evidence to prove those descriptors apply to him. As you haven't long applied and got refused i'm not at all surprised that they've refused him again after such a short space of time.

Did your son score any points at all in either Daily living and or mobility? You say you said about the cooking and needing supervision? This would only score him 4 points and you need at least 8 points for an award of Standard rate. It's not just about cooking and preparing meals. Where else can he score those points Kerry? 

What i advice you do is google those PIP descriptors and see where you think he could score those points in both parts daily living and mobility. Understanding what it's all about is the first step in the application, without at least understanding it, you don't have a lot of chance, i'm afraid. There's also a PIP test online that you can do if you google PIP test it will come up. Tick those boxes that you think apply to him and see how many points he scores.

Bear in mind that most MR decision's remain the same therefore it's very likely that you'll have to take it to Tribunal. Don't give up this time please because you don't need money to take it to Tribunal. If you keep giving up then re-applying they're just going to keep refusing him. If you don't understand it then i advice you get some help from someone that does. CAB for example are really good. Good luck.

Thank you Denise. They scored him 0 points on everything again and I have asked for the MR and she has noted it down I'm waiting now for the atos report but will begin some of the MR report I have checked the points system on the bathing he can bathe himself but he can only bathe or shower when me or his dad are home and we stand outside the bathroom. He also needs reminding to take medication as he told her he has forgotten to take it and sometimes taken it and he thought he has forgotten it and took it again we also told her he can get to town and back home but anywhere new he would need someone with him. She also asked him if he was to make his way to the pip building would he knew how and he respondedI wouldn't have a clue she then said if u used Google maps would u knew how and again he said no we had to get 2 buses to where it was and even fell asleep before he was called in to be seen and needed a good shake to be woken up

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Ok, the bath/shower, cooking preparing meals, remiinding/prompting to take medication would have scored him 7 points in the daily living part but you need at least 8 for an award. You say he can get to your local town and back alone? I don't understand the part where you say about google maps because you said about buses? who went to the PIP assessment with him?

She asked him about google maps because she said would he have known how to get to the assessment centre by him self and he responded no and she said even using google maps ans he said no as i went with him and we had to get 2 buses to the pip centre

They has also been times where we have had to tell him to bathe and change his clothes needs so communication support and she even stated he is doing GCSEs which he isnt only btec

The answers that your son was giving "no" aren't enough. He needs to explain the reasons why he can't use google maps. They're trying to make a picture of your son and by answering just "no" to a question isn't going to help them make a picture. Did you send in evidence to support that he can't use google maps?

Also the same goes for all the other questions he was asked. You can't just answer a yes or no. You have to go into as much detail as possible and provide evidence to support the claim. Evidence that proves those descriptors apply him.

The best advice i can give you right now is to please get some help with this letter for the MR. You have to totally understand what it's all about to be given a chance, i know that sounds odd but it's true. PIP isn't an easy benefit to claim because it's how your conditions affect you daily and not about a diagnosis. Good luck.

Thank you hun im off work next week and they is a cab around the corner so gonna ask there for some help. He got asked on the day of the assessment if he could use google maps to which he replied no but will tey and get some more evidence for him. X and thanx

No problem. if you don't mind me asking what's the reason he can't use google maps?

My daughter can't use google maps because she has learning disabilities and she doesn't have the capacity to use them. She also can't follow the route of a familiar journey because she doens't have the capacity to do so. I've got evidence stating that she doesn't have the capacity and why.  I'm waiting for the PIP forms for her, they're taking ages. If she has to go for an assessment because i'm her appointment i can speak for her, she doesn't have to say anything but she has to be there with me.

It's extremely difficult to score anymore that 4 points for mobility for mental health in the "planning and following journeys".

Thats the same reason he can not hun he has learning difficulties he can not follow a route he does not know too unless someone is wirh him .. this is the list we told her he has

Nf1. A life time illness

Epilepsy

Mental health issues

Depression

Insomnia

PTSD awaiting on appointment

Aspergers awaiting on appointment

Learning difficulties

Suicidal thoughts questions she talked to him about

Sorry this reply has only just shown up as was waiting for a moderator to see it first.

Then it's more than likely the way he answered those questions at the face to face assessment because you have to answer with reasons why you can't do something.

Furture appointment letters are not classed as evidence because they mean nothing.

Evidence to prove whch ever descriptors apply to him is what's needed.

Are you his appointee? or does he sort all that out himself? For example, ringing DWP, making appointments, sort his finances out etc?

Hi denise forgot all about this think it went to mods because of his thoughts .. yes im his appointee he had the letter and got 0 points again so doing the MR told them i take him to medical appointments as he does not know how to get there and he also does not know how to use google maps i explained how he forgets which stop to get off when he is on his way to college even when im with him to try and give him some independent

Hi Kerry,

You have to give evidence that proves all of this. It's not going to help you just telling them that you do these things with him. You have to actually give them some kind of evidence other than telling them. I know you say he can't use google maps but what evidence do you have that backs up what you're saying? Also you say he's at college, does he have support while he's there? or does he manage on his own? Does he go alone to college or do you take him? I'm sorry for all the questions but i'm just trying to help you. As with the point scoring descriptors, you said when you did the online PIP test that he scored 7 points. This won't get him an award. You have to be prepared because if you're not then they're going to refuse him all the time. It's the same as a Tribunal, if you don't have evidence to back up what you say then you're going to find it very difficult to get a decision in your favour. I strongly advice that you have some kind of help with this becaue those letters and forms are very complex.

 

Hi denise we take him to college and depending on the day we also get him other than that he can make his way home by getting the bus innto town and bus home from tiwn he does have support too in college im not sure what evidence i can give for him not to able to use google maps at this moment im just stressed out and not thinkijg straight

As he can make his own way home that could go against him for the mobility part this is because he can follow the route of a journey. As i said a few days ago, it's extremely difficult for those with Mental health issues to gain anymore than 4 points in the mobility part. I can't really advice you any further Kerry, just please remember that PIP isn't awarded based on a diagnosis. It's awarded based on how your condition/s affect you daily. Good luck.