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Hello I new here and looking for some advise, I went on my pip assessment a few days ago with ATOS, and was told I would have a physical examination to which I was not looking forward to and I'm in so much pain, with DDD and musculoskeletal, I am a big man at 27 stone I do need a walking aid and have breathing problems due to my size, the lady was very nice seemed to understand my condition and how I was feeling depressed etc, she added there was no need for a physical examination does anyone know why? Thanks all

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    Hi Dean, I would guess that the assessor was satisfied that you are deservingly in need of the PIP benefit, so I wouldn't worry that she didn't want to do a physical examination. I am waiting for my assessment and only hope that I will be successful. I have ME/CFS and to look at me, I look well, but on the inside I am so weak and exhausted. Best wishes, and I hope you will hear good news soon! Mary 
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      Hello Mary thanks for your reply, I was just so worried why she said there was no need for a physical examination was it maybe she didn't think my disability was bad enough for one? All things in my mind, sorry to hear your problems I hope you get all the help you need and deserve x
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      We can never know what they are really thinking of course, but you sound as if you are in a bad way, and she could surely see this. If the worst comes to the worst and they turn you down, you can always appeal, and I understand that most people are successful with this. I was turned down for ESA a couple of years ago. The assessor scored NIL points! I did my own appeal, and went on the internet to see how the scoring system works. I scored 39 points and was awarded the ESA! Take care, and do let us know how you get on won't you! x
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      The lady said I will get a letter in about 3 weeks time I will keep you up dated on the outcome thanks again and take care. X
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      Hi Mary, long time no see! I got the letter saying my DLA is ending today. I phoned to claim PIP straight away. Seems we're going through it at the same time. I'll message you.
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    Hi there Dean I am a Nurse and suffer Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyligia and can with clarity say that sometimes a patients presentation can do away with the need for a physical examination for example the way you walk into an appointment the way you sat, moved, body language can tell a person that is assessing you an awful lot. She sounds like a very nice understanding lady, if I can help or chat with you anytime just get in touch with me we are all here for each other. Even although I am a Nurse I am dreading my Occupational Health assessment next week. Kind Regards to you keep smiling Harriet
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      Hi Harriet,

      I had my OH Assessment today and it went really well! Nurse was really knowledgeable about CFS/ME and gave me positive feedback.

      I am a nurse (in primary care).

      Hope yours goes all right too. Let me know. :-)

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      What questions were you asked ? And did you have a physical examination ? Sorry if this is too personal for you to answer it would help me knowing roughly what to expect at my Occi Health appt also it is a good hours drive from where I live and work I think it's bloody ridiculous my husband is going to have to take a day off work and loose pay to drive me there and I will be so sore and stiff from sitting. Sorry rant and moan over .....Harriet X can my husband come into the appt with me do you think?
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      Hi Harriet, yes i think the lady could see the pain I was in, I use a walking aid you just hear so bad story's about the PIP assessments, I just hope she puts it all into her report and the desion maker agrees, hope your assessment goes well for you next week Dean x
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      Asked about:

      - my symptoms; for which I gave a copy of my recent CFS/ME Specialist Assessment Report which she said was ideal and really useful.

      - my hours and work pattern and whether there were particular things that I find more difficult within the role.

      - how supportive my manager and colleagues have been.

      - what I feel would help me to manage my workload and environment better.

      No physical examination.

      She also recommended about applying for PIP and explained that the condition is covered under DDA 2010 which means my employer is obliged to make reasonable adjustments to my role.

      All took about 40mins in total. I should get an e-mail copy of her draft report early next week which she told me to amend and said what goes in the final report is actually my decision!

      It really was a very positive, supportive, reassuring appointment.

      I hope yours goes just as well!

      Try not to worry too much and I hope this helps a little. :-)

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      Oh, and I should think your husband will be allowed in too if you want him to be there! :-)
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      Thank you so very much your reply as certainly eased my mind and de stressed my mind. I will let you no how I get on. Harriet X :-))
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      Hi Harriet do you think if I'm turned down for PIP? It would be good grounds for a appeal? As I wasn't given a physical examination? Sorry just its on my mind so much I'm scared of being turned down thanks Dean x
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      Hi Dean,

      Sorry to butt in on your conversation with Harriet but yes you can appeal if turned down for PIP. Everyone has the right to. I fully expect to be turned down after my assessment as CFS/ME is 'invisible' and I look well despite being far from well!

      Can you get someone to help you appeal should you need to? Who helped you to fill in the PIP form? There are voluntary agencies that help people with benefit claims. Unfortunately in my area, they were inundated with people needing help so I had to do it myself. It took ages and I typed a four page accompanying letter to go with it. I was exhausted after posting it off!

      Along with my form I also supplied supporting evidence from my GP, specialist CFS/ME Occupational Therapist and a counsellor who I've been seeing for a long time, and who knows me well. You need as much back up and support from people as you can get! 

      Did you supply an supporting evidence Dean? 

      Try not to worry too much for now (easy to say i know!) but perhaps plan how you might go about an appeal should you need to, I doubt you will to though as your condition sounds very much in need of the PIP and I'm sure the assessor will have seen that.

      Hope this helps Dean.

      Best wishes, Mary 

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      Can I just balance this please? Your post makes it sound as though you (the claimant) are required to obtain "as much back up and support from people as you can get".

      To the contrary, the DWP do not expect you to send anything in or cantact anbody. They accept and are required by law that they will carry all of that out for you.

      If it was the case that the claimant was required to do that work then how on earth would someone living on their own with no access to help filling in the claim form and be seriously disabled be treated? Would they fail simply because they had not the intelligence or ability to act as their own counsell?

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      I am only trying to help with my suggestions! With CFS, it is an invisible illness in that the feelings of exhaustion and weakness do not show, particularly in my case, so for me, any supporting evidence from people who know me, like my GP, can be useful.

      Because I was initially turned down for ESA, I expect to be turned down for PIP. So when claiming for this, I thought it best to send in supporting evidence as well as a letter explaining in more details I what I can and can't do. In Dean's case, he may well not need any back up as his disability can clearly be seen. 

      There are voluntary agencies who will visit people at home to help with claim forms. If one is able to send in supporting evidence then it can't hurt can it? And it does say on the accompanying literature sent with the PIP form that sending in supporting evidence can help deal with the claim more quickly. So if they have enough information 'up front' they can sometimes make a decision more quickly, without the need for a face to face consultation, which for someone with severe disability, would be a huge relief! 

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      Hi Mary I understand why you sent your supporting information in with your claim form, does the descion maker not contact your GP at all? Or is more based on what they see on the day of the assessment and the report they write on the day? X
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      I've not applied for PIP before but from what I read on the form, the DWP contact the people you name, but they do also ask for supporting evidence to be sent in as well. From what I understand, this will speed up the claim because perhaps they won't then have to contact the people you have named, which will make the claim take longer to process. This is how I understand it but I may be wrong as this benefit is new to me. Others may be more knowledgeable. 

      I wouldn't worry Dean. From how you've described your disability, I think you will be given PIP. And you know you can appeal if you aren't successful with the claim. 

      Best wishes,

      Mary 

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      And it does say on the accompanying literature sent with the PIP form that sending in supporting evidence can help deal with the claim more quickly

      Yes  I agree about what the DWP say, but it doesn't get away from the point that there is no requirement. Obviously if the DWP can get you to do their work for them they are certainly not going to complain!

      As is everything that the DWP say rearding benenfits - it is their interpretation of the law plus additional bits that they would like you to do.

      Anyhow that wasn't the point of my post - I merely pointed out that you gave the impression that it was for the claimant to obtain evidence - "as much back up and support from people as you can get"

      All the DWP ask you to do is send in what you may have to hand without going looking for it.

      The more that people do that work the more the DWP will start to expect it. Hence my asking about someone who can't get help, and can't really put forward their own claim - they must rely on the face to face assessment to get their point over.

      As for voluntary agencies - they are now very few and far between with almost none of them actually having a professionally qualified Welfare Rights Officer on board.- that's if you can manage to even get an appointment.

      You do know that you have a legal right to have a DWP Visiting Officer to come to your home to help fill out these claim forms? But like everything that the DWP say and do - they will put you off.

       

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      Hi Les

      As usual you are factually correct. It is possible to get a PIP award without actually providing any medical evidence. Indeed the face to face assessment can be the most important evidence for some claimants. I would imagine that is what has happened to Dean in the opening post.

      However, we also know that the DWP don’t go out of their way to help claimants and the threshold for benefit award is very high. This can cause problems with conditions which have invisible disabilities such as mental health.

      That’s why I would always go with Mary’s approach. Yes it does encourage the DWP to take the lazy view but as the saying goes you have to look after number one and if that means getting the evidence then do it.

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      Hi ya Dean sorry for late reply I have had a horrendous few days health and emotional wise, Mary has given you sound advice I too would send as much supporting evidence with application whether they wanted it or not you have to look after your own interests and that is why it does not hurt or cost anything or anyone anything but time and the price of a few photocopies. Let me no how you get on my friend kind regards Harriet X keep smiling :-))
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      The reason why the DWP go into length that only evidence quickly to hand should be sent is that the cost is generally a great deal more than a few pennies just for photocopies.

      In years gone by when I was fighting the DWP over the ESA/IIDB assessments, I actually spent over £300 in obtaining my medical files from my GP and all of the many hospitals/clinics etc that have provided medical care.

      If I remember correctly I had 5 hospital trusts - covering 12 hospitals ranging from my local one to one that I have to go to 300 miles away every 8 weeks and everyone else in between - Folkestone/Canterbury/Ashford/Maidstone/Margate/Dover/Deal, Southampton, Kings/St Thomas's - London, University Hospital Liverpool/Fazackerley

      If appeals were needed this excercise would have to be repeated to ensure that the information was up to date.

       

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