PMR in remission, want to excercise hard again can that cause a relapse?

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I am 59 years old, some what active. I came down with PMR around 2.5 years ago. Started at 20 mg.

prednisone to 0 mg. over 2 years. Slow taper was the key around .5 to 1mg. a month. I have continued to bike ride, or paddle surf 4 to 5 times a week. My energy level is around 70 percent before PMR. I would like to push my work outs harder but cant find much about the risk of relapse if I over due it. Not sure if that is even a issue after remission. The information is hard to find on the web, they have mostly the basics. If someone could direct me to more information I would appreciate it.

Thanks Woodrow

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    You are correct, there is hardly any information about PMR and exercise. I have tried to keep a log about my experience in that and you can find it here

    https://patient.info/forums/discuss/pmr-and-excersize-experiment-in-progress-492585?page=0&order=Oldest#main-reply

    It depends what is your goal. If it is for health, then moderate, longer exercise 3-4 times per week is probably best choice.

    Basically I have started my exercise withing 2 months of getting PMR and kept up. My focus was on endurance training and trying to increase my tolerance for long, but slow effort. I can tell you that if you keep moderate effort ( up to 70-80% of the maximum) you should be fine. Once in a while I exceed the upper limit and push myself harder, but it usually is in the middle of a long and moderate exercise, so body has enough time to worm up and cool down.

    I am still on pred ( in 1.5-3mg range) and currently my regiment is 2x MTB ride for about 90 min and 1x swim of 1 hour/2,5Km distance.

    It is my understanding that high dose of pred changes protein metabolism and prevents muscle recovery. This is why I opted for moderate endurance training. I plan to ask my rheumi, which I see next week, if lower dose of pred would interfere with muscle recovery. In you case, you don't have to worry about it.

    Start slow and increase load over time. Your body will let you know when it had enough.

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    There is no reason why ordinary exercise should cause relapse - though there are theories that excessive exercise could be the final straw that sends PMR into freefall. But is just as likely that the PMR was already there and a really hard work out or long mountain hike (my memory of just before PMR) makes the muscle soreness obvious and it takes a long time to resolve, merging into the PMR.

    Not yet published research has suggested that pred affects oxygen metabolism in muscle (can't remember the details, I was just sorting the language). If you are off pred that shouldn't apply - but I don;t know how long the effect would persist. But starting a slow increase and seeing how your body responds seems a reasonable way to go as Nick suggests.

    • Posted

      Thanks for your feed back. PMR has changed my life, but there are many worse things out there. This forum has greatly helped my journey through this. The slow taper off of the prednisone was one of the most helpful tips.

      Thanks Eileen H for sharing your knowledge, and your journey.

    • Posted

      I climbed Humbug Mt. in Oregon, August 2015. Overworked/hurt my knees going downhill. PMR occurred late Sept, triggered by Levofloxacin.

      My leg muscles less tight late in the day when pred not as prevalent(?) allowing me to dance or walk faster without stiffness. Am currently reducing from 5 1/2 to 5 mgs, Dorset Lady's method.

    • Posted

      Sounds very familiar!!!

      Love the name of the mountain though!!!!

  • Posted

    Woodrow,

    I can only relate to my own circumstances but I was diagnosed with PMR a little over a year ago. At its worst, I had severe pain in my lower neck and shoulders, my upper arms, wrists, hips and upper legs. I had trouble dressing, tying my shoes, getting into and out a car and especially putting on a seat belt. I had to lift a coffee cup with two hands.

    My wife said that I 'rocked' when I walked due to the hip pain. We had to move all our dishes down to a lower shelf so I could reach them.

    I had been a former runner but at 73, still very active, fast-walking 5 to 10 miles a week at about a 14 minute pace and was playing golf 2-4 times a week. After starting with 20 mg of Prednisone, and PT, I started getting better.

    Then I reasoned that I could take my PT exercises and do a modified version of them every morning in our hot tub. When I get up in the morning, I still have significant stiffness in my shoulders and at the base of my neck but after my 45 minute exercise routine in our hot tub and then 20 minutes of TENS, I'm almost 90%. I then walk our dogs 2 miles every morning.

    I'm back to playing golf 2 to 4 times a week and am actually hitting the golf ball as far or farther than ever before which I credit to my daily exercises.

    I have started the process of slowly decreasing from 6 mg to hopefully be off Prednisone by the end of the year, assuming no flareup relapses.

    I have not noticed on days when I combine my workout, with golf, and sometimes hiking as well, any possible relapse the next day, but as knowledgeable people on this website emphasize, everyone is different and you should just listen to your body.

    • Posted

      Thank you for sharing, I will not push it!

  • Posted

    I'm about your age, have had PMR for nearly six years and am now requiring 2mg-3.5mg

    (seasonally adjusted) to prevent symptoms (initially it required 20mg, and I struggled for three years to get below 5mg).

    I have participated in high-intensity (45-minute) "cyclocross" bike racing each Fall and have never experienced any flaring of symptoms as a result. I would say that, if anything, the sports activity is beneficial to my condition and helps to keep my dosage requirement lower.

    My low dosage of prednisone definitely reduces the normal sort of soreness/stiffness that typically follows a day at the races, and also does wonders for my seasonal allergies. I notice no negative effects from the prednisone at all, and I don't have to beg for sufficient pills, so I have nothing to complain about and no concerns other than being in a fresh outdoor air environment as much as is possible here in California.

    • Posted

      HI Dan,

      Long time no see! Glad you are doing fine. I am just about in the same boat, settled somewhere between 1.5 and 3mg, exercising regularly and pretty much back to normal. I now understand your comment on connection between seasons and PMR. It seems to get worse for me in the hot weather. This is second summer that I have mild swelling in my palms during summer and it seems to go away in a fall. Other then that, my life seems to be back to normal. Take care.

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      I'm glad to hear that you have got back to normal, same as me.

      I recall you had an unusually low dosage requirement and with fairly rapid progress from the beginning.

      I'm not sure what the odds are of either of us getting to a zero-mg dosage in this lifetime, but apparently it is quite possible. As I mentioned, being on pred has certain advantages (reduced allergies, less post-exercise soreness), while my doctor showed little concern about my long-term use of such a low dose.

      Likely my dosage requirement is following a somewhat logarithmic trend, such that it is the annual percent reduction rather than the mg reduction that matters(?). So perhaps this winter I will get down to 1.5mg instead of 2mg. I will have to split pills and perhaps cycle my dosage every other day down to 1.5mg, using the sort of techniques that others from this forum have described in many of the topic threads here.

    • Posted

      My experience as well.

      At 69 years, I am two years on pred, now taking 4.5 mg daily. Unless I taper a little too quickly, I am symptom free and have long exercised strenuously, just as I did before PMR. Others preach exercise in moderation but I am am yet to suffer from what is clearly excess. Indeed, I feel fine.

      Bleeding beneath the skin and slow healing are the only pred side effects I have experienced.

    • Posted

      It does depend on whether you went straight from a high level of exercise to a very quick diagnosis and return to exercise. One of the thoughts about the difference in experience of PMR between men and women is purely muscle bulk. For many there has been a long hiatus between a decent level of exercise and diagnosis for all sorts of reasons, resulting in a loss of fitness.

      On another forum there is a member who was a firefighter and training for a marathon when PMR put him in a wheelchair. He had to start exercising again as hydrotherapy despite a fairly quick diagnosis. He is currently in the Himalayas climbing - partly to raise funds for PMRGCAuk.

      The moderation may be essential for many people in starting to exercise again. No-one experienced says don't, we say be careful on the way. Diving in at the deep end may end up delaying the return to exercise. Patience and exploring what is possible for YOU makes much more sense. If you are able to, the progress will be fast.

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      I was very fit a month before PMR diagnosis. I lost a few kg and some fitness before taking pred although I kept exercising as best I could. Once on pred, I fully regained fitness over a few months, despite pred dosage issues.

      I have retained fitness ever since despite tapering too fast several times.

    • Posted

      My point exactly - whereas I had 5 years of very limited options for exercise and have had 3 serious set-backs since for other reasons.

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