Post OP Experiences (Heller w/toupet)

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Is it strange that I never really feel hungry anymore? I will eat just to eat but I never really ever feel a point where I'm hungry. If anything I mostly feel like I had just eaten a light meal and that feeling stays throughout the day. Why is my stomach feeling this way? Also I have the feeling of something in the throat like a lump. Only post op though.

Also it is 3 months post op, according to my surgeon things were only suppose to get better from surgery to the 3 month mark and then whatever results after the 3 month mark I have is where I will be at. In my experience it really was getting a lot better until maybe like a month or so of eating solids I noticed things slow down a lot. Now things aren't any better, I'd say slightly worse at times. Can anyone else relate to this post op experience? Also does anyone have any suggestions as to why I never feel hunger anymore?

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    I had the HM back in 2012 and I wasn't hungry for a long time. My appetite didn't really return until a couple of years later actually. I ate because I knew I had to, not because I was truly hungry. Maybe your appetite will return soon. Give everything time to heal and rest. Best of luck!

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      Thank you for sharing, Joy. I appreciate knowing that it took you 2 years post-op to get to the point where you have some sort of appetite.  I have no appetite at all.  I mean what is there to get excited about, when most of the things one loved to eat, are taken out of the diet!  I eat to stay alive, and I am careful about the 'nutritional' value of what goes into my mouth. It is good to know, that I am not the only one going through these things.  Thanks again, for sharing.  Haven't seen you posting in awhile.

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      Wow I'm going in June for surgery. And hearing about hunger makes me worry cause I have no hunger now I will wait and wait but it my try to growel but food does not sound good cause I know what can happen .I hope it returns unless that nerve has been affected already. I spaz out with out eating. I just have to move wrong. It also could be the herring rods in my back from shattering my L1 very be and fracture of T 8-9 who knows!

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    Hi Kayla!  It is a strange thing, but I too, seldom feel hungry.  I graze, and I eat , because I have to stay alive.  I was told the same thing 3 months post-op - that there would be no further improvement, and there would be no miraculous thing happen.  At 6 months post-op, I am in the 'management' phase of Achalasia.  I eat very small portions of food, with large portions of water, to 'wash' everything down.  The variety of solid foods is limited.  Sucking on bitter, dark, chocolate discs are my go-to, when I feel that stuff is simply 'sitting.'  I was told the flavenoids help that darn sphincter muscle to relax somewhat.  And again, I don't feel hungry most of the time.  I don't 'feel' food move into the stomach.  So, I wonder if we have lost somewhat the 'sensing' of things...perhaps has to do with the nerves.  Sometimes I forget about the Ach., and go to put something in my mouth, and then realize that I don't have something at hand to 'wash' the food down, and so just leave the food.  I've felt pills stick.  I can't swallow capsules, and so they have to be taken apart and mixed with applesauce.  The surgery itself is not a cure nor a fix, but as my surgeon said to me, it is to give us a better quality of eating [than we had pre-surgery].  And for myself, this is true.  Pre-surgery, I was on a liquid diet, now I can handle small amounts of solid food with water.  By the way, my GP put me on Rabeprazole, as I was getting acid coming up.  The Rabeprazole has taken care of the acid, which is great. 

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    Hunger pangs originate from ghrelin that originates at the top of the stomach.   It is feasible that this may be affected by the surgery.   It might be some disruption of the nerve system (the vagus nerve that controls much of the digestion system).   It is also quite important to try and maintain oral hygiene, ​to keep well hydrated and to keep your saliva working well.    I know this is easier said than done when you probably may not be able to drink much.

    Would you say that you might be feeling a little bit bloated?   If so, it would be worth checking with your doctor.

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      Yes I do get bloated. The doctors said it looks like I got gastroparesis because of the surgery. They want me to gain some weight and see if it helps.
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      I hope it helps you! I'm sure it probably will! Stay positive!

      DJRN

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      OK.   That is indeed a complication, and the specialists are best at dealing with it.   Eating little and often may possibly help your system.   I suspect that you may not be able to gain much weight unless you revert to a more liquid diet, and you will have to keep up your nutrution levels regardless of anything else.   Perhaps your system might get 'trained' into acting more normally in due course?   With food not going through your system properly it is not surprising that you do not feel hungry.  Having said that, I am not medically qualified and you will need to act under guidance from the specialists.

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    I am 3 years post HM with fundoplication. I also have delayed gastric emptying that is quite significant. I could eat once a day and feel fine. I am rarely hungry and only eat because I should. I think this is a common thing with achalasia, its all related. I also find if I eat too much, I will endure hours of suffering. So, I keep my meals small.
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      You are spot on....that is exactly how I feel.  I have, to use the words from one of the tests they did on me recently, 'poor clearance' from the esophagus into the stomach.  The gastric emptying happens, when the sphincter muscle feels like working.  I also, could happily eat once a day, and my preferred meal would be soup...that will not keep a person in good form, so I force myself to graze, and to eat small meals.  Like you, if I each a little too much, the Achalasia lets me know it.  This morning, I have had some nausea.  Teresa, can you tell me what kind of food works for you, and what doesn't?  I realize that we can happily eat something one day and it works, and then the next time, with the same food, it doesn't work.

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      I also like liquids. I think it stems from when I was deathly ill and needed urgent surgery as I was misdiagnosed for years. I used to sip on broth. It's a comfort food when I'm feeling like food is my enemy. I can do salad, its strange, but it goes down easy. No bread or muffins, no rice and for some reason, no egg rolls. I often have herbalife shakes for a meal. Everyday is different. I often wash my food down with water as it still sticks. I have been dialated 3 times since my myotomy but it sends me into spasams so bad that I don't want it again. I have tried botox with some help, for the spasams. String cheese helps my spasams stop, but recently, it gets stuck on the way down too. I find I really have too chew good and many days the food goes down easy. But the meals need to be small. Yogurt is good too with some berries, but that's close to liquid too. I think salad is my easiest to eat.

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      I realise that people are different from each other and that things can be inconsistent, but you may find the rough and ready survey of food experiences helpful as set out in A Patient's Guide to Achalasia that you can download from the website of the Oesophageal Patients Association under The Oesophagus and Achalasia. It will at least be a start.

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      Thanks, Alan, for your sage wisdom as usual.  Last Fall, I printed that guide, and have it in a binder.  Its time to take a look again, at the section you have referred to in your post.  I have found the guide to be an excellent resource, and showed it to my surgeon, pre-surgery.
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      The guide is great. Plus is the associated meet-up group, held in London once a month (for those in the region of travel). I went to the last, and enjoyed it very much... 
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      I wish we had something like that in Canada, but as far as I know, we don't.  There has only been one other Canadian on this Forum, since I joined last Fall.

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      Warm soup is very comforting.  I puree vegetable soup, add some Basil and a little bit of shredded cheese.  Like you, food still sticks in the esophagus, even post-surgery and dilation.  My esophagus is finished, paralyzed, and there will be no positive change...no miraculous improvement, as my surgeon said to me, 4 months post-op.  I'm lactose intolerant so yogurt is out for me.  I do make a protein shake, using unsweetened almond milk, a frozen non-dairy product [its like ice-cream, but not ice-cream!], pureed prunes, peaches, protein powder and spinach.  That's my afternoon meal per se.  Salads are out for me, as is bread and things like muffins, as you said, as they will congeal in the esophagus and lead to a spasm.  But we learn, post-op, how to 'manage' our Achalasia, and each of us is different, but yet we share so many of the same things...its odd.

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      Canada is gonna be a tough one I guess, as you guys are so spread out.. However, who knows, even a small group would be of value - something to keep on your radar, see if any other takers arise... smile 

      Warmest Regards, 

      N. 

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      For some reason your last post is not here.  I agree, even if it was just a handful to form some sort of support system, it would be great.  For now, I feel blessed to have found this Forum from the UK, and people like yourself.
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      I like what you said about everyone being different and how we all have to learn how to manage OUR achalasia. That's very true! Soup is comforting to me as well, but too much liquid tends to hurt. I think it's just a life long struggle that we all have to learn to deal with and find what works best for each of us. Best of luck!!!

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      I rather drink my meal also . I do good on salads to. I used to drink Chai tea made with creamer not milk .but got to where it got to think or the caffeine so now I drink warm steamer toasted marshmallows. It still hard to get down cause I spaz our but the warm does help.
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      Thank you, JoyAsh.  My problem is that everything that goes in the mouth, has to be washed down, so there is more water in my stomach than food, for the actual 'meals.'  Sometimes, I go to pick up something to put in my mouth, like when I'm out somewhere, and then realize I have nothing to wash it down with, so that 'treat' stays on the plate! et.   It would be so nice to have a piece of pizza, or a piece of toast....but I know they are out for me.  And, what works for me one day, might not work for me the next.  Our dear travelling companion, Achalasia, is very fickle and tempermental.  Just when you think you are improving, bam, Ach. rears its head to remind us that it is still journeying with us.  I like to hear what works for others....I might try the different ideas, if they work- great, if not, well, so be it.  Best of luck for you also.

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      I no longer can drink tea [never drank coffee], and I used to love a very strong cup of black tea [leaves] with milk.  As I said before, soup is my favourite thing now.  Its funny, soup was never something that I ate much of, in my life.  Now, its my number one go-to.  I seem to have the spasms under control, for now, and now that I've said this, expect one to happen tonight! lol  I guess this is all part of the 'managing' of Achalasia.

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      It's very helpful pre and post op. I have most trouble with anything dry. Warm is best for me.

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      Thank you for the info Alan.

      DJRN

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