prinzmetals angina

Posted , 96 users are following.

I have had prinzmetal's angina for over 7 years. Information about prinzmetal's says that pain occurs at night while in bed. Well not in my case. I get angina pain in the day time as well at night. Does anyone out there get pain in the day as I do ? I get pain at anytime, when it is cold or when I feel stressed and sometimes activity brings it on. I am taking a lot of medication for it , can't be without the nitro spray. Am having a lot of bad days lately hope to have a few good days soon.

Because prinzmetals is rare I feel a bit lonely having it , even though there are people who have the usual angina. It would be good to talk to somebody who prinzmetals.

14 likes, 699 replies

699 Replies

Prev Next
  • Posted

    Hi. I can understand why you feel lonely. Does this ring any bells? I am a 60yr old

     Man who has suddenly had what was originally thought to be a heart attack. This happened at 4:00 am in the morning some 3 months ago. Ambulance into hospital and straight in for angiogram. But no sign of damage and only mild heart desease. ECG elevated and then 12 hours after admission the Troponin @ 2600. Since had echocardiogram and MRI. Both showin no signs of heart attack. So doctors tell me I've had a cardiac artery spasm but no real understanding of why or what caused it. I think it fits Prinzmetal to a T but the continuing heart ache episodes seem to occur mostly in the afternoon along with overwhelming tiredness. My chest seems normal during sleep hours. Now on Asprin, amlodipine, Statins and Ramipril. ??

  • Posted

    Forgot to mention. I've had a history of headaches. And I had/ have severe hypertension ( > 190). Now under some control with the use of medication

     

  • Posted

    Your afternoons sound like mine- at 51and 1/2 and until fairly recently fairly fit... i do find it frustrating. i am still trying to get life sorted out so i do know how you feel. I am on Flecanide and Dilitizam (approx spelling) as well as GTN spray when needed. Mine seemed to start after a heart restart after a bad arrythmia, now a year and half later constant variable chest pain / ache work not happy with my sick days count and consquently my ME is flaring back up... All i can say is keep keeping fit it does seem to help the heart as to rest keep asking questions, and present your research to the doctors and keep gently pushing, if you dont, i find no one else will...

    good luck!!

  • Posted

    Afternoon everyone.  Andrew, yes learning to live with it can be challenging.  The key is to be aware of what your body is telling you, but not to obsess, which only causes more stress and makes it worse.  I have kept a daily log since January that I track a number of things with- how many times that day did I have pain, was it my usual or was it more severe, how many hours of sleep did I get the night before, emotionally how am I doing, did I get physical activity that day (the level of that will depend on you), being a young female I also follow my cycle.  I use it for myself and I take it to all my doctor's appointments.  One thing we have determined is that my "episodes" (which last 7-21 days of pain several times a day) seem to fall 14 to 21 days apart. I have found that I get a weird sensation in my chest 12 to 36 hours before my episodes are going to begin. It's not painful, and the best way to describe it is that it feels like a very mild negative pressure sensation.  So now when I feel that, I get things in order because for me, it means I'm in for a one to two weeks hospital stay.  Make sure you are not doing anything to increase the frequency or severity of the spasms (foods or medications/over the counter drugs that can cause them).  In regards to you now getting them in the afternoon, that does happen for some people, and my peak time seems to be from 3pm to 10pm, while the norm (due to fluctuating hormone levels) is during the middle of the night.  We all hate going to the hospital, but if you have been told in the past that you let it go too long in the past, use that as a warning for the future.  They don't tell people to come back if they think you might be at risk of having something happen in the future.  Take care, and consider tracking your daily activities in relation to your pain.  
  • Posted

    Thank you very much, I was doing a weather check - we grow various garden munchies and keep beasities including bees, checked emails and saw your reply... very interesting and very helpful!. My target sensations are aching left hand, or it feels like my heart cant quite breath a negative pressure, interesting? perhaps the same feeling but different ways of describing? I am in a cycle phase but it is still fluctuating in length and frequency. I think being in a worse phase of ME isnt helping at the mo. I have 5 weeks (currently) to get it under control hoping to start back on the fitness a bit more next week. Thank you for a positive message and good ideas, hopefully as i porgress again i will come back being equally helpful for others. just what i needed. Good luck with your efforts!!
  • Posted

    About a year and a half ago, I went to the ER with heart attack symptoms. I was released with the diagnosis of heart attack although the only abnormal results were a spasming coronary artery. The rest of my heart is healthy. Through searching on my own I found that I may be suffering from PA. I just had another cluster of attacks over the last couple days, except my clusters happen outside the normal times. The first occurance was in the late evening, and the last was in the early afternoon hours. I am scared to discuss this with my wife as she just lost her job (breadwinner) and we just had our first child 2 months ago.

    Has anyone had their blood levels checked for calcium/magnesium/potassium? When I got frustrated with my doctor, I ordered my medical records and found that while I had decreased amounts of potassium and calcium (but still within normal), my magnesium levels were completely depleted.

    Does anyone have other or full-body muscle spasms/tightness? I have been struggling with muscle stiffness, spasms, and twitches for about 10 years now.

    I hope to find some answers soon, but the doctors (American) seem to only be searching for high cholesterol (mines extremely low - good and bad) and blockage, which I have none. When they could not find any easy answers, they wrote me off and would not look any further into my condition.

    • Posted

      2 years ago my heart spasmed for 15 minutes. Went to ER. Normal ekg. But elevated troponin level got me hospitalized. MRI showed heart attack. Healthy 46 yr old female.  First cardiologist treated me with blood thinners even though there was no evidence of blood clotting. Second cardiologist sent me to 
    • Posted

      Hi martininindiana,

      I've had Prinzmetal  Angina for years  , I've "supposedly" had 2 mild heart attacks   and  a TIA , I have a 50-60% occlusion in my RCA which is non flow limiting ....to suggest  that I don't have "normal angina"  however the diagnosis of Prinzmetal was made due to it's frequency , the tomes of day they occured and weren't bought on by exertion.

      I noticed your comment of your clusters occuring out of the "normal times" in the research they have found that Prinzmetal usually occurs after 8pm through to the very early hours of the morning some around to 8am , other triggers are cold weather, a puff of wind to the face, just sitting or lying down and stress. Before I was put on Nicorandil I was in emergency late at night up to twice a week, since taking the Nicorandil it has stopped the night time spasms but I get the around middayish spasms which are relieved with GTN (Nitro Lingual Spray) but sometimes it doesn't respond to GTN after awhile I take up to 20 sprays before calling for an ambulance, I don't get your other symptoms....full body muscle spasms/tightness. What I experience is just chest pain(heaviness) and it's usually the shoulders and left arm radiation pain (heaviness), breathlessness and nausea, over the last couple of months I have had the pain radiate into the jaw, broken out into sweats ( at rest)   , 2 years ago I had a mild heart attack even though I was going through a cluster of Vasospasms with chest pain and shoulder pain I also had indigestion so I just put it down to that but when I started to feel like I had been hit by a truck and feeling really ill  and lethargic I called the Paramedics, nothing was found on their ECG (EKG for you Americans smile ) Another one done in emergency as theirs is different to the paramedics...once again nothing found, I had blood taken and was sent out to the waiting room feeling like...well...blah and yukky, about an hour later a nurse came and got me from the waiting room and a doctor was waiting for me and that's when I was informed I have had a heart attack (mild) the blood work showed rising troponins that started to dip back down during the early hours of the morning.

      I noticed you said you was released with the diagnosis of a heart attack, how did they dicover your coronary artery spasm ? They are hard to catch, the only way they can catch them is when you are having one right at the time of an ECG (EKG) or during an angiogram, they can test for Prinzmetal Angina with a drug ,if you have Prinzmetal this drug will provoke the arteries to spasm whilst performing an angiogram but my cardio said it's not a test that they perform here due to risks "supposed risks" A troponin rise can also be caused by dicky kidneys and I'm led to believe the above blood levels that you are asking about are kidney related, well not just kidney related but it's something I would be thinking about or discussing with a doctor, there are many things that could cause what you have described above and the first thing that came to my mind when I read your post was Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, others include myasthenia gravis, panic /anxiety dis-order, maybe multiple scelorosis (bit harsh I know but just thinking of the big picture )

      When you went to emergency they usually order a full blood work up  so obviously your troponins were elevated to of been diagnosed with a heart attack...were there discrepencies with your calcium/magnesium and potassium levels ? Another thought is Diabetes but I'm sure you would of known about that by now.  

  • Posted

    Hi, i get cramp more than i used to, one night recently scarily so I now take a magnesium with zinc suppliment still experimental for me as i have only done 1 month with and 1 month without, now back on with month. it does seem to mak a difference. I found with doctors in the uk going to them with research and paper evidence helped a lot. Even now i still do supporting work before going to see the doctors, however we are making progress. I have found Professor Kaski in the UK very supportive and helpful, just wish i lived a couple hundred miles closer. My workplace is my problem area and they are not helping... I would suggest do the research, take copies and go to toh doctors with - these are my symptoms, this is what the research says, and get a friend or partner to do the research too on thoses symptoms and say this is the independant search done by .. and they have the same results. My doctor did say that was good methodology and got them to look into things better too. I am going to have to be as firm with the consultant i think as they are being very slow.However... progress is being made. Perhaps i should advertise myself as a research assistant?

    i hope this helps, again questions on how i cope i am happy to answer in the forum publicly so "we" can all help each other. Good luck with research and presenting your findings and therefore your ongoing health!!

  • Posted

    Hey Martin!  In regards to the electrolytes (calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc.) here's some info.  Low magnesium or calcium can cause quite painful MUSCLE spasms, but does not cause CORONARY ARTERY spasm.  There are a number of ways either one of these can get low, but in either case they can be replaced with supplements or eating foods high in that nutrient.  Not sure how low your magnesium was, but very low levels of that (1.2 or less) are frequently caused by alcoholism.  I am absolutely not suggesting that is what is going on in your case, but since that is something you could do without a physician's prescription, thought I would mention it.  Low potassium or magnesium can cause your heart to go into abnormal rhythm, but low potassium does not cause coronary artery spasm either.  Coronary artery spasm is caused by low nitric oxide levels at the cellular level.  They don't know what exactly causes that to happen and therefore they can't prevent it completely.  

    Definitely do use the web to search for medical articles on Prinzmetal so that you can educate yourself, improve your quality of life with that info, and have good conversations with your physicians about it.  Like Andrew said, take copies of the articles to your appointments, and if there is something that describes very accurately what you are experiencing, highlight it.  Finding a physician that will listen to you is frequently a problem.  Because it isn't common, it isn't the first diagnosis they think of when someone has chest pain.  And then to have their patient come up with the diagnosis that they missed can cause some bruising to their ego.  We frequently have to be our own advocate.  This often requires playing politics.  Tell them you respect their opinion and knowledge base, but that something changed in your body however long ago it was that you first started feeling symptoms and it doesn't feel right.  Then bring up Prinzmetal and discuss the articles that you brought.  You may have to do this several times, with several different physicians before you are heard.  It can definitely be frustrating, keeping moving forward with your own research into it and continue to bring it up to your physician.  Most of the people on here went through a long time of trying to get a physician to listen to them, so your struggle is well understood here.

    I would encourage you to talk to your wife about this.  She should be your best friend, and as all of here can testify to, you need a friend to lean on when you have this.  I understand that you don't want her to worry, and that is noble that you want to protect her.  That tells me you are a good husband.  But if the tables were switched, would you want her going through this alone?  As a married woman, I want to know about anything that is troubling my husband so doesn't go through it alone, stumbling as he goes, but instead he is with me, arms around each other, holding each other up when the other needs it.  I can't imagine going through this with without him. 

    • Posted

      Hi Cathymcphee,

      It's been awhile, how are you doing ?

      I had a very interesting talk with a cardiologist a few weeks back as I was admitted with another troponin rise and when on his rounds it came my turn and we had a discussion about what was going on with me, I had asked him , Does he agree with the ER's diagnosis of Prinzmetal Angina and he said he does and then I shot him a lot of questions mainly about high cholestrol, I had asked him if high cholestrol would cause chest pain and his reply was yes hence why he agrees with the Prinzmetal Angina diagnosis, He explained to me what the cholestrol does, it actually stops the production/eats the nitric oxide in the arteries/small blood vessels in the heart and the endothelium/myocardium....He went on to tell me that Cardiologists are eagerly awaiting a release of a new drug, it comes in injection form and doesn't come with the side effects of statins and this should also stop artery/ small blood vessel spasming, he did tell me the name of it, it name sounded like something named in the canine ranks in the Police smile  All I can remember is something to this effect CHK9 *******, so on my follow up with my regular Cardio I shall grab the actual name of this new drug they are awaiting for

    • Posted

      Hey Samuels!  I was doing well for about 5 weeks, the longest good period I've had in probably two years.  Had a seven week stretch without an admission, which was great.  But started having issues two weeks ago and had to be admitted a couple days ago.  Second Christmas in a row I will spend in the hospital.  Bummed, but at least I'm not in pain right now.  I'm not familiar with the drug, but I haven't really been doing much reading for the last several months.  None of the docs here have mentioned it here, so it might not be getting approved for use in Canada.  How have you been?  
  • Posted

    I agree, it took me 10 months to get to a point of making progress and even now some doctors want to quibble, ... and indeed partners or close friends are essential. Without my wife i would be in a very dark lonely place and probably wouldnt be able to write this now... so again i agree
  • Posted

    I have controlled angina there are a few types I am aware of . Presmetals I am not. However I think it has similar symptoms. I looked it up and Chest pain, shoulder, jaw, shortness of breath. I have my symptoms mostly at night. I often wonder if that's the only time I actually pay attention to them.what is the difference?
    • Posted

      The two most common types of angina are stable and unstable angina.  These two combined make up the VAST majority of angina cases.  In both of those there is plaque build up inside on the walls of arteries that feed the heart muscle (aka cononary arteries).  This build up (aka atherosclerosis) makes it so less blood (carrying life sustaining oxygen) gets through those arteries.  This happens over years.  The first type I mentioned, stable, happens when you increase your activity, as a result your heart needs more oxygen, and due to that narrowing of the coronary arteries, the heart muscle doesn't get as much as it needs.  When that happens, your experience symptoms (chest pain, shortness of breathe, sweating, pain in your neck or going down your left arm, etc.).  The other kind I mentioned, unstable angina, also results from athersclerosis and decreased oxygen to the heart muscle.  However, with this type, it isn't related to your activity level.  It happens regardless of your activity.  What happens here is there is a temporary narrowing inside one of the coronary arteries due to something in the artery.  Sometimes a small peice of plaque or an abnormal build up of platelets breaks off and gets stuck further down in the artery.  As this also results in lack of adequate blood/oxygen supply getting to the heart muscle, it causes the same symptoms. 

      Now we come to the third and much more rare type, Prinzmetal's angina.  This is what most of the people posting on this site have.  Similar to the other two types, there is a decrease in blood flow through the arteries of the heart, causing lack of sufficient oxygen for the heart muscle and resulting in the same symptoms (chest pain, sweating, difficulty breathing, etc).  The difference here is that the inside of those arteries can be in perfect condition, but for some reason, those arteries get a mind of their own, and just like a muscle can spasm, the coronary arteries can do the same thing.  Depending on how bad it spasms, there may be a small, medium, large, or complete stoppable of blood going through that artery.  This can last for a few minutes to an hour, but rarely goes beyond that, although it is possible.  Because most spasms don't cause a complete closure (which can cause a heart attack), it is a pain to live with (literally and figuratively), but most people who have it are able to live a near normal life.  However, many of the people on this site, because it has had such an impact on their life, are worse than average.  

      Statistically speaking, it is more likely that you have stable or unstable angina, just because so few people have Prinzmetal's, compared to the other two.  However, the vast majority of Prinzmetal's pain is during the night, believed to be due to hormonal changes that occur during that period.  The only completely definitely way to diagnosis Prinzmetal's is to have an angiogram showing one of two things.  The arteries look OK, they inject something to irritate them, and they spasm (most people's won't respond like that), or they do the angiogram and see a very narrow artery, inject nitroglycerin directly into it, and the artery immediately opens up.  The ladder is what happened to me.  It is extremely rare to catch it like that as you can't plan weeks in advance the exact day and time you are going to have a spasm so it can be caught on angiogram.  It can be frequently diagnosed using EKG and lab work during a period of pain, but there are times when even both of those look OK and there is spasm of the artery (aka vasospasm) occuring.  

      Talk to your cardiologist to find out what kind you have.  Other than us all using nitro when we have pain (because regardless of the cause, it makes everybody's coronary arteries dilate), the different types of angina have different treatments.

      I honestly tried to keep this one short, but in order to explain the differences, it took a little more time than I had planned.  In any case, I hope this was helpful and I answered you questions.  

    • Posted

      Thank you Cathy for UR great explination. It all made a lot of sence and described what I am experiencing to the "T" I will see my doc soon a discuss this and get back to u. THANKX again for bringing this to my attention.. I was only aware of two types of angina and for yrs my type was referred to as type ll. Now it all makes sence.

      (( hugs))

Report or request deletion

Thanks for your help!

We want the community to be a useful resource for our users but it is important to remember that the community are not moderated or reviewed by doctors and so you should not rely on opinions or advice given by other users in respect of any healthcare matters. Always speak to your doctor before acting and in cases of emergency seek appropriate medical assistance immediately. Use of the community is subject to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy and steps will be taken to remove posts identified as being in breach of those terms.