PVNS: experience and causes

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I recently got diagnosed with the fairly rare condition called Pigmented villonodular synovitis (PVNS) a disorder which affects joints. In my case, it was my knee joint, as is often the case.

I'm posting this to help others better identify and understand this condition, and also to explore any possible causes.

PVNS is very easily misdiagnosed by GP's. It was misdiagnosed twice in my case, by two different doctors.

Because it's more common in the 30's and 40's age group, and the symptoms are similar to arthritis, it can be misdiagnosed as the early onset of arthritis of the knee/joint in people who are in the upper end of this age bracket.

In the case of the PVNS affecting the knee joint which results in a tumour growth at the back of the knee (as in my own situation), because the condition often arises after a trauma to the knee joint, the condition can be misdiagnosed as a simple lingering knee injury, leaking joint fluid, giving rise to a Bakers Cyst.

The symptoms of PVNS are both sporadic and very similar to both an ordinary knee injury and arthritis as the condition progresses. The joint becomes stiff and movement restricted. It's usually painless in the early stages but as it progresses it causes mild to moderate discomfort with a persistent burning pain around the joint area.

If left untreated, PVNS in its advanced stages, can render the joint completely unusable, requiring a complete joint replacement.

Here's my own experience of PVNS:

I was taking Tramadol (a painkiller) for back pain and was heavily into exercise and was also carrying a heavy bicycle every day up and down stairs. I injured my knee. This was due to the Tramadol I believe. My pain tolerance threshold was at a much higher level, so the injury didn't fully register and I continued exercising and carrying the bicycle, further straining the already injured knee.

Two years later, the knee joint gradually became stiffer and a lump appeared at the back of the knee. It became so stiff I could no longer crouch or bend down to tie my shoe laces. I went to the doctor and was misdiagnosed as mentioned. The second GP ruled out arthritis from an x-ray and to confirm his diagnosis of a leaking joint and Bakers Cyst, he requested an ultrasound scan of the joint. The scan showed an overgrowth on the lining of the knee joint and a tumour growth, resulting in a PVNS diagnosis by an orthopedic consultant.

A proof-positive diagnosis is carried out from sample by examining cells under the microscope from the joint which have the typical PVNS-like abnormal characteristic.

There's two forms of PVNS, localised and diffused. The localised version is what I have. It is a lot easier to treat using key-hole surgery with a better prognosis for recovery. Diffused PVNS affects the entire joint lining, requiring open surgery to remove all of the knee lining and it has a much higher risk (almost 50%) of returning, and requiring extensive physiotherapy.

PVNS is quite a rare condition as I mentioned. Therefore it's not encountered very much by GP's and there hasn't been much research done into the causes of the condition or why it returns in many sufferers. It's not thought to be hereditary, and as I mentioned, trauma to the affected joint is a common feature.

This leads me to wonder if certain medicines, or activities, may cause the condition. As I mentioned, in my own case I was taking Tramadol (at a normal dose of 50mg once daily) for several years, both prior to, and after my knee injury.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone else out there who suffers with PVNS and their backgrounds, in particular:

Anyone who has developed PVNS while being on Tramadol or similar drugs?

Anyone who has developed PVNS after a sports or work related injury, which they ignored?

How much time elapsed from any initial injury to PVNS symptoms and diagnosis?

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    I'm 22 yrs old, my gp referred me to hospital about 2 years ago with my right knee been swollen after having an X-ray and mri the doctor turned around and said there was nothing major wrong with my knee but there is a possibility of inflammatory arthritis so referred me to another doctor which wasn't really helpful, not feeling quite happy with the doctors opinions I asked my gp to refer me to another hospital and I'm glad I did after another X-ray and mri my doctor decided to send me for a special mri were they put a dye type of fluid in your knee which is when my doctor said I have pvns.

    the problem I have at the minute is my orth doctor won't do surgey and has passed me onto rheumatology doctor which I have been waiting nearly 4 months for an appointment and still nothing. I have recently been we're I struggle to walk cause my knee was swollen and I couldn't bend it without been in pain but having to go through it and walk throughout the day because I'm at uni on my final year and can't afford to miss anything so I went to a&he where the doctor sent me for an X-ray cause she thought I'd broken my knee cap which I hadn't it was just the selling pvns causes I was then sent to a doctor who drained the fluid and pumped in some steroid which has made my knee feel normal again and pain free for a month but now I can already feel the pain gradually coming back.

    what is worrying me though and wondered if anyone else has been told this when I was diagnosed with pvns in my right knee my doctor said there's a high possibility that I also have it in my left knee but it's not as progressed.the

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    I had PVNS in my ankle in 2004.  I had 93% of it removed and then had radiotherapy.  I have to say so far I haven't had it return to my ankle.

    Worringly I have something behind my kneww now so will be investigating that with the Doctor this week and if it does turn out to be PVNS I will request Radiotherapy again.  Just thought it was worth mentioning to people to investigate.

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      Mine started in the knee in 2012. Massive uncontrolled bleeding. After several surgeries to drain, I had radiation and then a synovectomy. Wish I gone the surgery before radiation as neither was able to kill the tumor but surgery wouldn't have burned the tissue. Finally had to have tkr. 9 years later the PVNS had eaten the knee again and the original prosthesis broke loose and when it had to be replaced, the Dr found a strip of the tumor all the way around the joint. He took his finger tips and lifted the prosthesis from the tibia. Unfortunately, there is still a cluster of the tumor on a nerve mass that can't be removed for fear of losing rhe leg. Im 77 now so hope this doesn't happen again as current medicine practices won't allow a 2nd revision. Incidentally, in case you haven't been told, pvns comes in 2 forms. One is like a cyst and the other is the spreading diffused type which is what I have. Good luck.
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    Following this discussion has opened my eyes up to my new diagnosis of PVNS as of today. I am 48 years old and work full time and depend on being able to drive to work.

    I reckon I have had this knee problem stretching back quite a few years but the swelling (quite spectacular sometimes extending half way up my thigh with my leg in a half-bent spasm when it bleeds 3-4 times a year. At the moment it is not bad and I can fully straighten but not bend fully. My knee never locks, is always hot to the touch but not particularly painful.

    Today I saw my MRI and was told it was the diffused type of PVNS. The tumour is in the middle, at the back and extending at the front of my knee and above. My affected knee is less swollen at the moment but 6cm larger in circumference than the other.

    Tonight, I thought that it would be better to have the surgery afterall I don't want my joint damaged by this and although there is a 50% chance of it coming back there is obviously a 50% chance of it not.....

    I had not anticipated the pain and rehabilitation from the surgery option. I have made a strong commitment to a medical project that I have agreed to for the next 18 months so I am guessing I need to hold off with surgery? Do you think that this is wise? Thanks

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      Ruth, I guess it depends on how much pain you can stand and what possible damage to you health the severe bleeding can cause. I was 65 and 4 months from retirement when mine blew up. The bleeding backed up into my groin and lower abdominal area. The knee was swollen by almost 5". I had to be put under and have it drained taking 200 cc each time. Also had it drained 5 times taking 65-75 cc each time. I wasn't given much of an option and had 30 rounds of reduced level radiation which I regretted as it burned the soft tissue making it difficult to stretch and rehab. 8 months later I had to undergo a synovectomy (90 min arthroscopic) which required several weeks of physical therapy. Lots of bleeding/lots of pain. Wish I had had it done 1st in lieu of radiation. Even with that the tumor wound up eating the joint and had the tkr a year later. 9 years later the prosthesis broke loose due to pvns ,requiring a revision. Unfortunately, there is still a little of the tumor resting in a cluster of nerves and can't be removed as it could cause lose of the leg. So with that you have my 12 year history. I had most of my work done at a University medical center or what is classified in the states as a teaching school of medicine. I knew one young lady who was 16 at 1st diagnosis and the stuff was jumping from joint to joint. In her mid 20s she had already had it in 4 joints and it repeated in 2 of those areas. As you can see, its hard to make a call on timing and progression. My biggest fear was the bleeding would back up causing heart failure or stroke. Not to be a fear monger but I have been on pain meds for all this time and have never been pain free. Good luck
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      I would go for surgery, write off 6 weeks and then you can live again, it takes about 3 months to be back to normal, it is a big surgery (in my case open back and front) but the only way to get rid of the tumours and the PVNS growth - but ask your consultant, you may easily be able to wait 18 months, if the tumours dont grow fast - my consultant only advises to operate if it is either medically required (damage) or the pain is so bad that it becomes necessary. Good luck with the decision! Best B
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    My name is Melissa from Baltimore MD. I was diagnosed with PVNS (left knee) at the age of 18. I had my first surgery for diffuse pvns at the age of 19. I went 9 years before the pvns came back. January of last year age the age of 28, i had my second surgery to remove the pvns from my left knee. Now im afraid because my left is swollen ago and i hate to think the pvns my came back for a third time. Also, I have a baker cyst i the back of my left knee that have been there since I was 20years old. The doctors did not want to remove the cyst. 
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      I was diagnosed with PVNS in my right knee in Dec-14 & still waiting for treatment???

      Having cortisone/steroid injection soon to reduce the swelling and discomfort.  My consultant is dithering about how to treat this.  Wasted 3 months waiting to see rheumatology who then advised they couldn't / Wouldn't treat me as they believed it was a surgical procedure.  

      In constant pain and the more activity (everyday walking) I have to do due to having to work etc the more I seem to suffer.  I feel better when resting but obviously can't sit on my bum all day!! 

      Do you find this or have you any advice on how to control the symptoms? 

      I keep having episodes where I really struggle to even weight-bear.

      your advice would be greatly appreciated.

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      I had the knee drained under anesthesia 3 x's. 30 rounds of radiation and finally a synovectomy. That stopped the bleeding bit of course, didn't get all of the tumor. The radiation did the most damage. Even though it was only 75% it still turned some of the soft tissue into leather and has made subsequent therapy more difficult. I finally had a tkr and revision

      12 yrs later I still have a little of the tumor in me growing as it is to dangerous to remove. This is not a simple repair with a one time cure, in most cases. I certainly hope you are one of the lucky ones that can get it resolved with one treatment.

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      sorry to hear that and welcome to the club - i have another surgery in July, diffuse PVNS left knee - the only cure is surgical removal, so you can save yourself all these cortisone injections, they are not good for the joint long term. I have pain every day and night. What helps me besides the obvious pain killers is light movement (for the pressure of the huge tumor pressing on blood vessels) but no strain - also leg up as often as possible, ice helps too. Sitting still all day with leg down is bad. Gentle walking in sneakers is best (not too much either). I had to give up all my sports and adjust my life style from sporty girl to coach potatoe.... but with gentle walks - I hope that helps, good luck fellow sufferer....best B
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      Thanks Barbara......sounds like you're on my wave length!! 

      I think that surgery is the only option then.

      what meds are you on if you don't mind me asking?

      TBH I think I'm gonna have to consider the TKR.. I have the partial knee replacement and still have this awful PVNS in the same joint.

      just wanna get it sorted and get back to normal.

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      Good grief.. Get over it !! It's only a knee!! I was back at work after 6 weeks... Just think positive....blimey you need to get out more!!!!!!!!  
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      I hope you mean this tounge in cheek....if not your advice needs to be tempered. I am getting ready to have all the hardware removed due to staph and will have 3 months of immobilization then a new knee installed. Then back through therapy. On top of that, at age 78, I am the caregiver for my wife who is in advancing stages of Parkinson's disease. This isn't a forum for criticism and flippant off the cuff remarks. I certainly wouldn't and won't wish this type recovery on you but let me assure you this isn't a walk in the park. There are people on here who have ha 12-15 surgeries because of pvns. You ask for help and information, then come back with a smart ass, crude response. You should probably go somewhere else. This isn't a comedy club
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    It is now 8 weeks since I underwent a total knee replacement having damaged my knee in an accident 7 years ago. During the op, advanced PVNS was discovered and my orthopaedic surgeon removed giant cell tumours and sarcomas. It was at an advanced stage and had eaten into the bone, so extensive bone grafts were also done. I am now under the care of an oncologist and will start a course of radiotherapy in the next couple of weeks to prevent the spread to other joints. There is still swelling and stiffness in my knee despite daily hydrotherapy, but that should clear once I have had treatment.

    It has only been 8 weeks since the op but I am already feeling the benefits.and for the first time in years am walking pain free.

    I found Tramadol just made me hallucinate and didn't help at all. It has been recommended that I take a long term daily dose of ibuprofen

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      Mattie...welcomecto the pvns world. Its been 12 years and i am finding out nee things about the problem. I never heard of the radiation to stop the spread. I had radiation close to the outset but it was only for eradication but neither that nor a synovectomy stopped the growth. Several surgeries including a revision and they can't get it all due to possibility that it would cause me the loss of the leg. I wish i would have passed on the radiation as i feel it caused me a lot of tissue damage that made rehabs from the 2 tkrs I've had and as i am now recovering from staph and will have my 3rd prothesis inserted next month. Hang in there, its a strange and as you are learning rare condition. I go to a teaching medical center and under the care of a teaching professor. I have also gone through the ortho oncologist in the same group. BTW, I was 65 when it hit me. Ive now had 10 surgeries, 30 rounds of radiation, 2 serious bouts of staphepi & broken femur. Best wishes for your recovery
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      Thank you. Sounds like you have been through the mill, OFG1.

      I had never heard of this condition and was expecting to be right back on track after my TKR. Hey ho! I remain optomistic (or is that the drugs speaking?) 

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      I think you have to have a healthy blend of optimism and reality. I didnt go into all of it in my other post but I had 9 years of mild pain and moderate usage of the leg (I was never sure the 1st prothesis was put in correctly) then the real pain kicked in. I went back to the ortho oncologist and she immediately sent me to the senior knee guy on staff. He quickly found tge prosthesis had broken loose and was turning inside the bone causing unbelievable pain. During surgery all he had to use was his fingertips to lift the prosthesis out. That went well until the next morning and then i fell and twisted my femur into.....more surgery.....installing of a plate and screws then later removal of the plate, staph infection, rehab, return of the staph, removal of yhe prosthesis, 2 months antibiotics and now waiting 7 weeks for the hardware to go back in so i can st a rt rehab. There was a bit of the pvns left in that couldn't be removed as it it is in a cluster of neither surgery nor radiation are a solution as there is too much risk i would lose my leg from the knee down. I have run into a lot of strange situations, several on this site. It seems no 2 are the exact same. Stay optimistic and don't get discouraged as you won't be able to put your situation in the same mix as the general tkr patient and believe me, that will be where friends and family will try and place you.

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