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I was diagnosed in October with LS. My doctor checked - said you have a skin disease - LS.  I was having a lot of burning and pain using estragyn 2-3 times week for atrophy. I didn’t have white patches  had some itching. The dr said my archicture is changing. I never knew about this even though I research a lot (not always a good thing). She prescribed clobetasol and I used it for 5 weeks 2x daily   I went back to see her in November and lowered the clobetasol to once daily until I see her Jan 9. My question is - should I have had a biopsy like many others here?  I’m still wondering if it’s really LS or some other condition?  It’s very frustrating because I’m so uncomfortable.  I use zinc o fax unscented or Vaseline as a barrier  

I would like to see a vulvar dermatologist but she’s not taking new patients. In a big city like mine - in Canada they’re are very few specialists.  Frustrating to say the least 

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    Hi Arlee, I don't think it is necessary to have a biopsy.I was diagnosed with similar symptoms to yours more than 3years ago I was only referred to a Gyni when I developed a sore which didn't heal. This was removed about 3 weeks ago. The Gyni is fairly sure it is not malignant , I won't go back for the results until February

    but am quiteconfident in the result. It is a frustrating disease but reasonably controllable you just settle to getting on with it eventually(not so easy at first).

    I use coconut oil with syndicate a weaker steroid which can be used daily once you have graduated from the initial weeks of Clobetasol. Good luck.

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      Hi Ann. What is the name of the weaker steroid you’re using?  Unfortunately the coconut oil irritated me. I read that’s it’s important to stay moisturized 

      Did you or do you experience burning and pain? I found that unless you’re having problems with your vagina - who ever thought to check yourself? 

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      I agree, I was sore, but I went to the GP with a UTI when she examined me she said did I realise that my labia were fusing. I had no idea!

      The weaker steroid is Eumovate ointment it is clobetasone butyrate. (sounds very similar to the clobetasol) I went with both to the pharmacy and was assured that it was much weaker. Don't stop the one you are using until you have graduated to only using it occasionally. If you then find that you need it more often then the weaker one comes in. Yes I did used to burn and although I only thought I was pale down there I did have plaques. I find that when I itch then use the Eumovate I can keep it mostly under control by and large I don't have burning now but can be sore.

      Other people use Emu oil I did find spraying a dilute baking soda solution was quite soothing but don't seem to need it now.

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    Hi there, a biopsy will only tell you what you already know, and that is that you have LS.  Often a biopsy irritates already sensitive skin causing more problems.  Any experienced doctor should be able to give you a visual diagnosis of LS.   Perhaps you are hoping that it isn't LS.   But, you have had your diagnosis and from what you have said it is LS. I know it is hard to come to terms with.

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    Hi Arlee,

    I live in Canada also, in Ottawa. I go to a Vulva Clinic at the Riverside Hospital. They took a swab, which is less invasive than a biopsy, and with that they were able to see that I've have had LS for 5 years which I didn't know. So, look to see if you have a Vulva Clinic in your area. Google Vulva Clinic and your area to see. Once my LS settled down, I still use clob 3 times a week, which I want to reduce eventually, I also take a full bath with 1/4 cup of borax on the alternate 2 days. I am now stable. Hope that helps.

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      Hi. I live in Montreal. We’re not that far from each other!  I saw that you have a clinic there  I did find a female vulvar derm here but she’s not taking new patients - think that’s not right. I n bee knew a swab can tell if you have LS  much better than biopsy 

      Isn’t Borax very strong. Where do you buy it?  Do you have white plaques?  I feel what I have is very unusual. Some itch no white plaques archicture change. I feel small pimples in my inner lips

       I’ve been using clob since October. Don’t feel any better. Kind of messes up your life 

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    Yes, we're not far, a couple of hours away. It's too bad you don't have a Vulva Clinic, but it looks to me like you're being prescribed the right way. That's how I started. Clob often at first tapering down to 3 times a week. Also, on the alternate 2 days I apply Premarin inside the vagina with an applicator and introitus around the opening and on the labia. That keeps it supple. Yes, I had it for 5 years (no symptoms at all) and discovered it in 2016 when I started to get that awful itch and got the shock of my life when I looked -- the grey/white color, splitting of the skin, etc. A pea-size amount of clobetasol ointment fixed that pretty quick. The Vulva Clinic showed me how and where to apply it. Reading up on it more, I discovered if you soak in a bath of warm water for 20 minutes before applying clob, it softens the tissue and rubbing the clob gently around to a slow count of 10 helps the tissue to absorb the clob. That's to help the clob go as deep as possible where the disease lives. Also, on the alternate days to clob I soak in a bath with 1/4 cup of borax. If you decide to try it, try a very small amount first to find the right amount like maybe 1 tbsp and work up, or try 1/4 cup of baking soda which is milder. I get mine at Metro in the laundry section. I also got a perineal or perin bottle which I fill with 1 tsp baking soda and rinse with that after using the bathroom, pat dry, and then use Emu Oil. I found these Perin bottles at the Shoppers Home Health Care which is usually before Shoppers Drugs. I'll be looking into getting some Hemp oil because it is anti-inflammatory and what we have is an inflammatory disease. I'm also looking into anti-inflammatory food. I just read an article on Brazil nuts being very beneficiary for LS because of the selenium they contain. Unfortunately, I can't show the link here. But if you ask the question with my friend google, you'll find it. Make sure you mention LS with it. I agree that they shouldn't stop taking new patients, but we are at their mercy it looks like. Yes, it is frustrating. In the meantime, don't give up, check with the hospitals to see if they have a Vulva Clinic. It may not be advertised as such in your city. Hope this helps. 

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    By the way, the Perin bottle and rinses was given to me by Hanny who helps a lot of people here with her valuable comments. Thanks Hanny.
    • Posted

      Did the vulvar clinic tell you to use borax?

      Many women use Emuaid ointment. It’s very expensive but they’ve had success with it 

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    No, the Vulva Clinic only prescribed the Clobetasol and the Premarin. It depends on the doctor. Some will be lenient towards alternative methods, others will not be. I found the borax treatment in this thread on this site, so I thought I'd try it. Right now, I'm trying to combine the two methods, eventually going fully borax and alternative methods. It is a dilemma though because I've heard it said that the use of Clobetasol prevents cancer with a few studies that I've seen, but then it thins the skin, so a minimum pea size amount must be used. Very frustrating when you see different opinions. 

    I don't know about the Emuaid. I haven't tried it. When you say success, do you mean no more pain, burning, or itch or unfusing? Except for the itch at the initial discovery which disappeared quickly, I've had no pain or burning. I have had two flare-ups, one from sugar but not for a long time now. And even with those flare-ups I only felt hot down there and red skin but no burning or pain. I have fusing. My labia is half fused and the Vulva Clinic told me it's permanent. I'm trying to see if I can gain success with that. So far, I have not. I also use a dilator. I use it once a week to keep open as I don't want to totally close.

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      Hi Micheline, don't worry about the skin thinning,

      The fusing is caused by the skin thickening. There is a link on this site to Professor Goldsteins lecture which explains how LS develops. It is worth 20 minutes watching.

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      Hi Anne,

      Nice to hear from you. Yes I was a bit worried about the skin thinning, so thanks for your message on that. Yes, I did read what I could on Dr. Goldsteins lecture on another site, but quite a long time ago. I will do another read-up again. Thanks for the reminder. I don't remember learning how it develops. I remember that it lives in the deep layers. I remember when I had the terrible itch when I scratched (which I shouldn't have but didn't know then what it was), the relief sensation came from deep near the bone.

      You would think though that since the fusing is caused by the skin thickening and the Clob thinning it, the Clob would help to unfuse it. Strange. I thought it was caused by the skin sticking together. I'll be looking at further ways to unfuse if I can. I think it would help me with urination problem.

      Thanks Anne.

       

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