QUICK START GUIDE (newest scenario)
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SO, all you dearhearts,
I've discovered one more (potential) domino in the cascade of events to our LS.
(and dear admin - here is the source for my newest discovery):
5. Dr. Carolyn Deen, M.D. ND explains: "Low magnesium levels can compromise cell membrane integrity, damaging the vital fatty layer in the cell membrane, making it more susceptible to destruction, and allowing leakage through the membrane. This particular finding, which implicates magnesium deficiency as one of the causes of leaky cell membranes, or leaky gut,[/b] is extremely important because disruption of this type can be fatal to cells and cause widespread problems that ultimately manifest in dozens of symptoms and conditions, including aging. Dr. Guy Abraham says that in order to protect the fluid inside the cell from becoming saturated with calcium, there is a magnesium-dependent mechanism that shunts calcium in and out of the mitochondria. But if calcium goes in and doesn’t come out, because there isn’t enough magnesium to maintain that shunt, mitochondrial calcification occurs and eventually results in cell death." (49)
(49) Leaky Gut associated with Magnesium Deficiency https://drcarolyndean.com/2017/02/leaky-gut-another-magnesium-deficiency-condition/
SO I've made myself a QUICK START GUIDE for a quick peak at where we have to study for our own health: smiles
MAGNESIUM Deficiency causes > LEAKY GUT Syndrome[/b], which along with VITAMIN D Deficiency causes > AUTOIMMUNE diseases such as Lichen Sclerosus > and are also associated with Impaired LIVER FUNCTION > a part of the LYMPH System.
Obviously this is a bare outline - all the cofactors for each of these minerals/supplements needs addressing in our bodies each to our own individual needs.
SO now, finding Dr. Deen's work I realize I will up my MAGNESIUM intake all the way to bowel tolerance as I used to do years ago with kidney stone attacks (which I never want to have again ever ever).
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cynthia40883 Nancy_K_B
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Wow, Nancy B., this is valuable information..How much magnesium do you take? This finding makes sense for me . I have started with leaky gut this year , maybe LS was the first symptom of the cell break down, having had it for 3 years. Is there a connection between magnesium and kidney stones? I know there is with D3, which makes me nervous about taking the 5-10,000 per day. I do have a deficiency though. All of your findings make sense. Thank you for the research. It helps so much to think about a concrete cause for this nightmare condition. Just a shame that we have to dig to get answers, with little help or interest from the medical community.
Nancy_K_B cynthia40883
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Thanks Cynthia.
1. oh yes there is very definitely a connection between kidney stones and magnesium - for the calcium based kidney stones types of stones (there are uric acid types too which are more often found in men) you an bring the stones back into solution so that they can pass easily by upping your magnesium. That's what I was meant the other day. So, it is the ratio of calcium to magnesium that gets out of whack in our hyper milk/cheese based diets that gets us in trouble that way.
I learned this from an Adelle Davis book in the mid eighties when I was in the hospital in intense pain they charged me $1800 to pump me full of morphine without telling me that too much morphine creates a gas build up and so I end up with a belly ache worse than the dang kidney stone. I came home to my boss' wonderful wife who had taken are of my 3 year old babe and she brought the book which told us that you can bring stones back into solution by taking 200 milligrams of the cheapest magnesium you can find every 2 hours UNTIL BOWEL TOLERANCE.
I've never taken calcium tablets since then! but I"ve been eating yogurt and kefir just fine for years. BUT I'm not sure I've paid attention to my magnesium intake for years. I do love dark leafy greens and 70% chocolate - but who knows if that is enough... esp since perhaps our greens aren't actually absorbing the amount of minerals from soils as they used to?
Anyway, another article somewhere has mentioned that researchers don't actually know the correct ratio between Vitamin D and vitamin K or to magnesium - yet (or at all since we are all individuals, got it? ) they think that K does NOT need to be upped when you up your vitamin D intake... but that still leaves magnesium amount a question mark.
so for those you you who were willing to read the story to get to this point - here is my suggestion - to CHECK YOUR OWN BODIES NEED FOR MAGNESIUM by doing the "Bowel tolerance test" ( I just made that up). When you hit loose stools territory, then back off one pill per day I suppose, do that everyday, until your body gives you the signal again that it doesn't need that much. This way I'm sure we can safely take a much Vitamin D to get to our superior health and wellness spot.
Remember when you all read any articles that throw out scare statements about the amount of D or anything else - be sure to notice if the writer knows a dang thing about the cofactors of D. IF they don't mention the interactivity with K and A and magnesium, it's not a complete enough article.
If an article doesn't mention autoimmunity, it doesn't refer to our SPECIAL NEEDS.
So don't be scared Cynthia.... join me in testing our real need for magnesium and then feel safe to increase your D - AND be sure to be taking K and A as well
> VITAMIN D3 helps regulate calcium and other minerals in our bodies
> VITAMIN K2 is required to move the calcium from our intestines to our Bones
> MAGNESIUM prevents calcium from lodging in arteries
> BORON helps to activate Vitamin D, and keeps calcium out of the kidneys
> ZINC grasps the Vit D molecule to hold it to its receptor on genome.
> VITAMIN A can prevent vitamin D toxicity, and vice versa
This is a well written explanation of the interactions written for non-scientists with full references from science journals at the end:
https://www.precisionnutrition.com/stop-vitamin-d
This is from from Dr. John Cannell of the Vitamin D Council, who formed it over 11 years ago knowing that there is a worldwide deficiency of D. We could use their formula to gauge the ratios they are using. I see that he sues a base of 5,000 iu a day.
http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/blog/2012/08/d3plusthe-only-vitamin-d-on-the-market-endorsed-by-the-vitamin-d-council/
jeri24294 Nancy_K_B
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Interesting information. How much magnesium per day is optimal? I already take 400 mg as well as Vit. D and I still have LS.
caroline16811 Nancy_K_B
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You are such a swot Nancy!!! Lol 😁 Seriously, thank you so much for sharing all you findings. I have been looking at all the autoimmune videos on Youtube, they are fascinating, mind blowing really ! Thanks to you I am now on high Vit D3. I have been using Magnesium in oil format for a few years now. So this, along with an anti-inflammatory diet I'm hoping will improve my General health and boost my immune system. What supplements go you take altogether and have you noticed any improvement in general health and our LS ? Thanks again for your time and efforts x
cynthia40883 caroline16811
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Nancy_K_B caroline16811
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hehehe... oh you know, Caroline - as an American I had to go look up what a SWOT is!
yep, my guess is right, and oh yeah... I finally realized I was a geek quite some years ago. smiles.
As far as the supplements, I bought every single one that I referenced a month or so ago - I just did it all. dang it's hard on the budget but, so would be a lifetime of LS. NO I'm not "cured" yet. But i definitely feel like things are under control. This has really been an opportunity to listen to my body on much more carefully. For instance, I have chosen not to go cold turkey on very last shred of grains. I looked up what to do about that and found that besides the gluten issue there is a phytic acid issue. Rice has no gluten but it does have phytic acid. THEN, smiles I discovered articles on how to eliminate the phytic acid by SOAKING grains for 24 hours before cooking. I really don't wake up itchy from eating soaked rice for supper - so up to now that is my on the ground, personal analysis for how things are progressing. I definitely can't eat birthday cake and get away with it though! On the other hand I CAN put a tablespoon of maple syrup or honey on my healthy cereal and continue to feel comfortable... and take my digestive enzymes. We are all different - so ya gotta experiment for yourselves and not just make your lives miserable by eliminating those things that are NOT triggers for YOUR body.
So, for you and others, it's important to remember that the Vitamin D deficiency must be corrected along WITH it's Cofactors - Vitamin K2 and VItamin A and Boron and magnesium.
The magnesium thing is really big. so now I originally discovered it listed as a co-factor for Vitamin D.. but now it seems it might be the lynch pin!
one medical site acknowledged that magnesium is one of those minerals that have been lost from our soils int he last 50 years and notoriously because of GMO's in the last decades. I don't know how much this affects people living in Europe and Britain?
Guppy007 Nancy_K_B
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jessica68771 Nancy_K_B
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Hi Nancy,
I have noticed that a lot of magnesium supplements are a calcium & magnesium combo. Would you say that it would be best to omit the calcium, if LS has something to do with a build up of Calcium in the cells??
Nancy_K_B jessica68771
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Oh, Jessica... I' am myself in the midst of reconsidering this very question. IT's a real catch-22 for me. I haven't taken supplementary calcium in 30 years. I never want another kidney stone in my life.
I really don't have enough educational background to answer this properly, but here is my best:
I DO know that my chiropractor/naturopath told me years ago that IF one is to take both that they should NOT come in a combo format. Why? because he said something about how the body digest them or something about counteracting each other at teh same meal - I really forget.
I DO think you've interpreted the articles correctly though.. we don't need extra calcium; we DO need supplementary magnesium.
I'm not quite sure that your statement that LS is caused (directly) by a build up of calcium, but indirectly by lack of magnesium and leaky gut ... and from reading up on the action of Vitamin D and Vitamin K - WHEN we take those THEY move the calcium we do ingest from food into the bones where it is needed. So no, don't take calcium.
jessica68771 Nancy_K_B
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