Received pip2 form to fill in

Stop beating yourself up, your 43 and have paid into this system and all your doing is asking for a bit of help to get back on your feet.....

If only that made any difference.

?I contributed to the system for 44 years and with all of my problems the DWP still are of the opinion that I am not disabled enough to require the care level they have set.

?Paying in makes no difference to what you can get out of the system. I have an ex son in law who is just shy of being 40. He's worked (officially) for just 2 years and 22 years in the 'black economy' yet has managed to claim DLA/PIP since he was 18 after he drove his uninsured car through a hedge and into a field hurting his foot in the process and suffering PTSD ever since, whilst drunk (2 year ban and £350 fine imposed).

 

 

Les, why are you always so negative towards people? I'm sorry but your posts always come accross this way to me. I realise you've had a bad experience with DWP about your past claim (s) but is there really any need to continue your negativity with other people who post for advice. Or even those who try to help those that post for advice. I've only been here a short time but already i can see this. Jealousy is a very bad thing. Sorry just my oppinion....

I'm not being negative just practical and honest.

?I was replying to Alex who is of the opinion that having paid in to the system apparently gives the OP the right to take money out - ridiculous. There is no expectation whatsoever to have paid something in to get money out. People pay money in so that others who haven't paid a penny in get it out. The only benefit that is linked in that way is the State Pension. It used to be that the more you put in the more you get out.

?As for being jealous - - that's far from the truth. Annoyed and angry at the system yes, but of people getting benefits - no. I'm trying once again to get what I believe is my entitlement. But I doubt very much that it will happen.

I blame the system and the people that operate it.

 

Les the twice l have posted on here you have came back with negative help. I am sorry its not worked out for you but not every case is like yours. You have no idea how hard my life or anyones life is so you can't judge. And the fsct that l have worked since l was 16 and am.only 43 but my life has been taken and now l have to try and live what best l can. Its not fair l did not ask to be this way and l certainly don't want to claim for help but l need it. And the fact that l have worked all my life should count for sonething. If l really wanted l could just give up work altogether and claim benifits for everyting but l don't want to l still want to push myself to work as much as l can but this has affrected my life massively.. i have not slept in my own bed for over a year can you imagine how my poor husband feels. I don't think you should compare every case to your own and that a few people. I have seen say to you to stop being negative and making it about yourself. If you have not got anything nice to say then don't say it at all as all lmam getting from.you if l am not and should not be entitled to pip. Thats your opinion. I was not even gonna try but my local council occcupational health worker who assed me for my blue didabled badge advised me l should.

But thank you to the others that are heping

Laura x

Laura I too get annoyed when posters tell people that everything will be fine and not to worry and as they have paid in to the system they have every right to get something out of it. Sympathy and a 'hug' may be nice to hear but when dealing with the DWP there is always the 'negative' side of things - people seem to want to ignore that.

?Anyone that has a disability that affects their life is entitled to apply for relief from the DWP by way of a PIP application. I have no problem with that - I too did the same but with DLA. I have never said that you don't deserve to make that application and after being assessed on behalf of the DWP you fit the relevant descriptors and gain enough points you will get the award that you are entitled to. Great and good luck.

?But to expect that getting there is going to be easy then you are misleading yourself. The stress alone is bad enough, trying to complete the PIP2 form is even worse. Then the face to face assessment can be an absolute nightmare should you come up against a poor assessor.

I do admit that some claimants have it easy but others not so.

?We all have a sorry sad tale to tell - by being a decent human whilst others cowered in doorways, I singe handedly tackled two armed robbers. For that I received two 9mm bullets in my body and significant brain damage. 

?But for all of that I have tried to be positive about everything I do and find it extremely hard even now to accept any of the disabilities that I have - I will fight to get over them for the rest of my life.

?Not everything in life is 'nice' - if that is what you only want to hear then you are deceiving yourself. I try to be balanced and give a view that others don't particularly want to hear but should. Life is not a bed of roses, for the majority of the time it is sh*t!! 

Actually Le's I don't presume that you will automatically be entitled to PIP or any other benefit just because you have paid into the system, I believe that paying into that system gives you the right to make a claim.

I also didn't infer that its guaranteed to get you that benefit either, please reread my post, because you didn't get it for whatever reason which I don't need you to go into does not automatically mean others want either .

You have admitted yourself you don't always go about claiming in possibly the same way as others do.

That doesn't make there way any less valid.

We all fill out the forms to the best of our ability and to explain in the best way we can explaining how it effects us.

If you choose to do it your way and your claim fails, then you need to either appeal the refusal or just not bother and except there decision, if you choose not to appeal you are condoning there decision and need to move on.

After being shot twice, being hit with a baseball bat on back of head and being hit by a parent and breaking stair post plus all the other diseases you say you have then I truly cannot see why you would be refused it.

Hopefully you will let the DWP have all this information so they can make an informed decision

If your new AA application fails I would say you have a clear case to take it to the court of human rights.

I'm sure every one on here will agree.

I believe that paying into that system gives you the right to make a claim.

?But it doesn't and it is wrong to say it does. Anybody and everybody is entitled to make a claim - whether that claim is turned into an award is another thing.

I know that there are no guarantees when claiming a benefit - if there were every tom Dick and Harry in the country would be trying it on.

You have admitted yourself you don't always go about claiming in possibly the same way as others

?I make my claims in a totally honest way and in accordance with the rules. There can be no different way. I don't understand that comment.

?As for the comments regarding appeals, I have appealed against every decision (I have never had any decison go in my favour over the past 21 years) except the DLA and IIDB ones in 2004. I was either in hopsital or recovering or Sectioned when these two decisions came in. Consequently I was not actually able to deal with anything or anybody. It took until late 2010 before I felt able, both physically and/or mentally, to reserect these two benefits. I made new claims for both which were obviously refused, but were later awarded just before the Tribunal hearing dates. The DLA one put me back on HRM & MRC (which I was previously on up to 2004) whilst the IIDB one put me back on the 40% rate as it was in 2004.

?The only decision that I have never appealed was the Attendance Allowance one received a few months ago. I had had enough by then so gave up completely.

?What happened as a child has absolutely no bearing on my disabilities - in fact those memories were locked away. I moved on with my life. It was either sink or swim - 50 years is a long time to put them away.

With my current AA claim, I again have been totally honest describing how my life is - the good and the bad and in keeping with the rules.

?As for taking any refusal to the European courts - sorry but that is way way above my capabilities. Filling out the claim form is bad enough. 

 

Thanks pamela it nice to get some support which is something les has not got the ability to do. I have got plenty evufence l evem soike with my surgeon who has dinr my 3 joint reolacements tonight and he id going to draught uo a letter of support along with one from my gp and ine frim the occupational therapisr ar my local council who just assesed me fir my blue badge. That l was awarded for 3 years. I am hoping l have enough evidence to back my case. Unlike les who thinks l dont desrve it or anyone just because he has had it knocked back. Unfortunatly l am.not at fault for his problems so he dies not need to be negative with everyone which l have noticed he is. I feel sorry forvhim that he has to take it out on other people who might stand a chance or deserve pip.

Laura

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I'm sorry if you think that, it was never my intention.

?I cannot see in any of my posts where I have said that I think that you don't deserve the benefit.

?In my posts I have tried to highlight what can and does go wrong when claiming any benefit. Could I have done things differently - of course I could have, but the way I approach claiming them and dealing with the assessors/DWP is the only way I know how.

?In my opinion too many people offer sympathy for giving it sake. Being negative is because that has been my experience when dealing with the DWP for over 21 years. To be honest I have only experienced on claim that was dealt with in a positive way - all of the others were negative responses from the DWP.

?As for taking my frustrations out on others, you are so wrong. Surely it is better to be forewarned as to what could happen to anybody making a claim, the good balanced with the bad experiences?

The only thing that can go wrong at the face to face is that you get a poor assessor. I have had them talk over me, refuse to let me expand on answers and plainly refuse to put down on their computer everything that I said - 'if I don't ask the question - I am not interested in the answer'.

 

You have done all that you can, you need to just let things go now till you get some kind of response.

When that happens you can do whatever is nescassary to take your claim forward.

Yeah l.understand that l have had friends. Thats been assecesd and had a person who comes across as nice but failed her. Aĺl l can do is try now l have everything needed to pass for it and more evidence than anything the best being frim my surgeon who specifically wrote a letter out for me telling them how much this has affected all oarts of my life and how much pain l am in and has said contact him at anytime if they needed to hear how bad l was and l have all my xrays l see my go tom to let him know that l am going through the pip asssesment and that he will be contacted but he is the same as my surgon and will back up my story if needed. I know l.might gey knocked back infact l am exoecting it and l will appeal but l am gonna try no matter what as l.know myself l deserve it and need it to help me get by. Time will tell now. I can only try.

Laura x

HI Lors, just so that you're aware, they almost never contact any medical professional. It's always better to send all the evidence in yourself rather than rely on the contact method. Good luck x