Seeking feedback on EDoF lenses vis-a-vis monofocal (Eyhence)
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I am planning for a cataract surgery on both eyes soon.
May I hear users’ valuable first-hand experience with (i) EDoF & (ii) monofocal (Eyhence in particular) lenses regarding night vision effects (starbursts, halos, glares...) for an understanding of the extent of the issues that I’ll have to face?
Thank you folks.
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linda75676 henry1105
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So i received PanOptix Tri-focal) in my right eye Feb 5th and my left dominate eye Feb 26th. i can read the smallest print its amazing i also can see intermedite distances like my tv very well. when im indoors i absoluttley live these lenses for me. when i go outside day or night my vision seems to be distorted a little. i have halos during the day that i can handle but those night time ones are so big they take over the cars. so on that note im torn on what to do! i am active and own a salona nd need to drive at night. i heard that i have to give it time so i am. however, i have seen no change in either eye as of yet. My doctor did say he might first try ordering me glasses for driving. we will see!
henry1105 linda75676
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That's what I fear & don't want to have.
My understanding is that the artifacts you are experiencing won't change or go away. Instead, you (or your brain to be precise) wld probably get adapted & used to them with time.
I don't think glasses will get rid of the artifacts.
That's why I ruled out multifocals.
Just my understandings.
linda75676 henry1105
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Well, hopefully time will fix the large halos
RonAKA henry1105
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I am in a similar position to you. One eye is more urgent, and the second will come later. I have come to the conclusion that this is not a single decision. It is actually a process. I have discounted all the multifocal/EDOF type lenses because like you, I am afraid of the night vision issues. But, that is only part of the decision making. Right now I am about 50-50 on going for both eyes with distance monovision or a monofocal solution. Here is my process plan:
My suggestion is to consider it as a plan, rather than a single decision on this lens or that lens.
RonAKA henry1105
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You may have seen it already, but a surgeon, Shannon Wong, MD, has published a youtube video comparing the Symfony and PanOptix IOLs. It has been a while since I watched it, but overall I think it is pretty good. I did take note of a few items though.
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He puts some time into being critical of the PanOptix, due to the potential for "glistening". I really think that is a minor issue, and has been largely addressed with improved quality control.
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He also claims that the light transmission of the PanOptix is less than that of the Symfony. He does not give the reason, which is that the PanOptix has some blue light filtering while the Symfony does not. The PanOptix gives a more natural light distribution. The Symfony gives more light overall, but it does that by transmitting blue light that the retina in a normal eye does not see.
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He also glosses over the issues of artifacts especially at night for halos, glare, and flaring of lights. If you google this link you should find the youtube video.
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Symfony vs Panoptix. Which is the BEST Lens for Cataract and Laser Lens Replacement Surgery? Shannon Wong
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I consulted with a good friend that had both eyes done with PanOptix lenses almost a year ago. Her feedback was that if she had it to do over again she would not have done it, and would have gone for monofocal lenses instead. She finds the artifacts at night too bad to drive safely. She does a lot of sewing and close work, and finds she needs reading glasses for any conditions other than in bright full sunlight. When I had my pre-op appointment, my surgeon said that there are multifocal/EDOF lenses available, but he considers it not ethical for him to recommend them, because he would not put them in his own eyes. That sealed the deal for me. He has access to both the Symfony and PanOptix IOLs, but essentially will not use them.
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That is kind of the process that got me to where I am now. I will do monofocal distance for the first eye, and will consider monofocal closer for the second eye, i.e. monovision, if the first eye has a good distance outcome.
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You should also be aware that even monofocal lenses are not totally free from artifacts. They also can have what is called dysphotopsias. They just tend to be lower in severity than in a multifocal or EDOF.
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This said, I am not disputing the reports of good success with these lenses. Everyone's priority to be glasses free is different, and everyone's tolerance for artifacts is different too. They are a solution, but not for everyone...
henry1105 RonAKA
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Yes, I watched the videos by Shannon Wong, MD.
It’s interesting to note that your surgeon wld not put multifocal or EDoF in his own eyes. It’s in line with my own inclination at this point of time.
janus381 RonAKA
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Noticed Dr. Wong has a new video, and he seems to now say the PanOptix is superior to the Symfony (whereas in his earlier video, before he had a lot of experience of PanOptix, he was more equally weighting the pros and cons of each.
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"Would you like to have your symfony lens removed and replaced with panoptix? Dr. Shannon Wong MD"
It seems after doing more than 300 PanOptix implants, Dr. Wong is ready to say the latest is the greatest. I'm sure in a few years, there will be a new latest and greatest.
His new opinion is consistent with views of my clinic in Toronto. They only try to help patient choose between mono-focal and premium. And if premium is suitable they will use the best premium at the time. The best premium lens in Canada used to be the Symfony, but they no longer use that as PanOptix has been used in Canada for close to 4 years now, and is the best approved premium option.
Note Dr.Wong is not suggesting people with Symfony go out and replace it. He has symfony in his own eye and will keep it. But this patient wanted the exchange.
Sue.An2 janus381
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I tend to agree. Surgeons generally take a cautious approach with premium lenses - even down to patient selection and wait yo see what feedback is like from patients who have those discussions at follow up visits. Pretty sure if PanOptix was an available choice I would have opted for them but I was a year prior to them being available in Canada.My vision was so poor with cataracts. Without the surgery I wasn't able to drive anymore and am thankful for the results.
henry1105
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I wanted to say I am at an early stage of cataract. But on 2nd thought it’s more accurate to say am at the door of a threshold.
Let me explain.
Cataract is an ailment that develops rather slowly, imperceptibly & unnoticeably, like many other chronic diseases/ailments such as cancers, cardiovascular diseases, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, diabetes, kidney failure, arthritis, rheumatisms, Osteoporosis, benign prostatic hyperplasia... They do not attract any attention at their early stages as there are hardly any symptoms. A point will come when symptoms suddenly become palpable. This is what I call a threshold.
It was a day after Christmas last year that I suddenly noticed a very thin layer of ‘haze’ in front of my right eye. The ophthalmologist I went to see a few days later said I had cataract, at stage 1 to 2 on a scale of 10. No need to do anything as yet but to go back to see him again in 8 months time. I began to read up on the subject and to search for possibility remedies to evade surgery.
As a result of some personal experience I am a firm believer in natural/alternative therapies.
In late 1980’s in a routine checkup I was found to be a Hepatitis B carrier. I was told it couldn’t be cured and wld be with me for the rest of my life. I had to go for liver function tests every year to ensure things didn’t get out of hand. In a routine liver function test about 10 years ago it was found that the carrier was no longer there. I believe it was the result of health supplements that I took since late 1990’s when I began to be more health conscious. There were other incidents, too, that reinforced my faith in naturopathy.
What was interesting was that a few days later the ‘haze’ before the right eye disappeared. Then, about 2 to 3 days later it happened before the left eye. In the meantime, the N-Acetyl-Carnosine eye drop that I ordered arrived. I began to apply it. More than about a week later the ‘haze’ moved again from the left back to the right eye. It stayed there for about a week and then disappeared. To date, it never came back. It’s been 2 months since I started applying the eye drop. Not only does the ‘haze’ not come back I can feel that things that I see all appear to be clearer.
I will continue applying the eye drop and see what the ophthalmologist’s findings are in September when I see him again.
I hope at the end I don’t need a surgery.
Just to share.
RonAKA henry1105
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If you are considering monovision here are some links which I found informative:
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Optimal Amount of Anisometropia for Pseudophakic Monovision Ken Hayashi, MD; Motoaki Yoshida, MD; Shin-ichi Manabe, MD; Hideyuki Hayashi, MD
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Monovision Strategies: Our Experience and Approach on Pseudophakic Monovision Misae Ito CO* and Kimiya Shimizu
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It is a difficult decision to determine the optimum time to go with IOLs to correct cataracts. My thoughts are that they will not get better, and will progress over time. They are a physical change in the lens which makes the lens more opaque, and also changes the transmission of colours. With time whites tends to look more yellow/brown. They also change the physical shape of the lens, which changes the power of the lens and the amount of astigmatism. In my case I started to see double images as well. To some degree this physical change in the same of the lens can be corrected with changes to the eyeglass prescription. I got a new prescription at the time I was diagnosed with a catarct worthy of surgery. That was nearly a year ago, and the benefit of the prescription change has pretty much been lost. Some find it aggravating and expensive to keep getting new glasses as the cataract progresses.
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With respect to monovision it can be helpful to do one eye first and then trial monovision with a contact lens in the eye to be used for closer vision. However to do that, you need to get the first eye done, while you still have good vision in the second eye so you can fairly evaluate whether or not you like monovision.
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On the other hand, one potential benefit of delaying surgery is that new lenses may come on the market that are better than current EDOF's and trifocals. One possibility is the AcuFocus IC-8. It achieves extended depth of field with a reduced aperture approach rather than using refractive and diffractive tricks with the lenses. There is not much experience with them yet, but they may even be available in Singapore. It seems they may be a useful variation of the monovision approach. A standard monofocal is used in the distance eye, and the IC-8 in the close vision eye. That said it would be advisable to carefully examine the pros and cons of this approach. Some information at this link. It is written by the manufacturer of the lens, so of course it is very positive...
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The IC-8 IOL: Big Advantages Through Small Apertures The ophthalmologist
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Hope that helps some
Lunabug RonAKA
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the IC 8 creates a pinhole effect and lets very little light into the eye. If you have ever used Pilocarpine its along the same lines. The lens is only recommended for one eye because your night vision in the IC 8 will be dimmed.