Self cathetizing seems like it may be the only alternative if one does not want to take medication o
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Self cathetizing seems like it may be the only alternative if one does not want to take medication or get a procedure for BPH.
However I imagine that it must be painful to do. I don't understand if there is a blockage how would the catheter be able to push past the blockage.
Unfortunately I may have to do it but it seems almost like a medieval torture.
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derek76 johnny90372
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When I was having heart surgery I had warned them that I had prostatitis. They said it would be all right but they were unable to insert a catheter and had to use a supra pubic one.
ken19524 johnny90372
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I think that most of us have seen the television commercials about catheters and thought that it must be incredibly difficult and painful to push a plastic tube into your penis, up through the urethra and up into the bladder. However, you will be pleasantly surprised at just how easy it can be (for most men), especially when you have several hundred cc's of urine in your bladder that won't come out on its own.
The key to success in catheterization is to get some good instruction. In my case, a young female PA (physicians' assistant) stood by me and gave me very specific instructions on each step. The catheter type that I used that day, and for almost a year afterwards, was a relatively stiff 'FR16' type of catheter. My trip that day to the urology office was because I had been having BPH symptoms for years, and getting progressively worse until almost compete retention happened. I was very surprised that there really wasn't any direct pain at all of using a catheter. Just some feelings of 'I can't believe what I'm doing'. And of course there was a lot of relief when I directed the end of the catheter into the plastic measuring device. But I was shocked that almost 500ml came out.
As I mentioned, I self-catheterized for several months after that, usually 4 or 5 times a day, until I decided on the Rezum procedure. For me the Rezum procedure was an easy experience because I was 'out' with a twilight anesthesia, and I was able to avoid the Foley catheter by self catheterizing. I started back in using catheters within an hour of the Rezum procedure, and continued using them for about 3 weeks until my flow was well on its way to normal.
steven05114 johnny90372
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Johnny,
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I had to self-cath for 10 months before my Rezum. It is not a big deal. I never had a problem with it. I use the reusable soft red latex ones, size 14 with a curved tip. After my Rezum, I had to use a stiffer reusable latex one due to swelling. If you are going to have a Rezum you really need to know how to self-cath before the procedure. I cannot comment for other procedures.
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Steve
tom86211 johnny90372
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Johnny,
My experiences with self cath were the exact opposite of what ken19524 is reporting. I first tried to self cath in my urology office and was unable to complete the procedure. It was painful and difficult. I did send for some sample catheters at a later time and was finally able to self cath a few times, but each time it was difficult and somewhat painful. The last time I tried was earlier this year before my bipolar TURP. I was able to get the catheter in about an inch, but the pain was terrible and I had to stop. Obviously, we're all different, and my urethra must be narrow and sensitive. Others here think this is no big deal. I don't think one knows in advance how it will go until it is tried in real time. I still have some catheters just in case of an emergency, but hopefully I will never have to use them.
Tom
ken19524 tom86211
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Tom, your experience was on my mind when I included the phrase "(for most men)". I'm sorry to hear that your experience was so difficult, but as you noted, we're all different.
My best wishes to you that you don't have to use those catheters.
dale75649 johnny90372
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I've spoken with several men who self cath regularly, one is a brother in law on mine who has nerve damage. I've had a catheter a few times. While I'm sure that I could learn, I fear infection every time, regardless as to who does the insertion. Some of the men I know have made it years without an infection, but sooner or later most regular users do get an infection. There are pros and cons with every decision we make.
anthony2858 johnny90372
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Hey Johnny, dont swet it, lol . I have been doing it for almost 5 yrs, absolultly no problem at all! i am 100% dependent on it and its seriously so simple and no problem at all!Best part is only 2 people know about it and thats because I wanted them to know.I play tournament softball, have sex on a regular basis, go to concerts, and drink wine every night, so none of my lifestyle has changed.and with absolutly no problem with orgasams or erectile disfunction. I cath 5 or more times a day and it is absolutly discreet and takes no more than a minute or so, dont be concerned with the fear of painfullness because, dude it is so simple and there is no pain or un comfortableness to it at all, it is extremely easy and fast,initially I was a little "easy does it" but seriously those fears will be so far behind you in no time! As a matter of a fact after the first time you will feel and be a pro!.I use a "compact" cath that is in a little green tube that when you use it you just unscrew off top and it is kinda like telescopic, it is very skinny, like a piece of spagetti, it is lubed and ready to go instantly!Actually I rinse it off and push it back into the tube and reuse them only once tho, makes it easy to carry one in your pocket and use it twice if you are out and about shopping or wine tasting or playing ball or what ever you got going on.Dont think you got to change your lifestyle and your life is going down hill because doing this keeps you healthy and with an empty bladder, anytime you want! Get off of the meds, especially the tamsulosin/flomax!That s**t will screw up your sex life! I am a very happy camper just doing the compacts, even if is for the rest of my life, No problem at all! You can do it no problem at all, your life will be as good if not better!!!!!!
anthony2858
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Hey Johnny, one last thing..... i have NEVER had an infection doing self cath,however about 6 yrs ago I did get one a day after i left the drs. office and he did a cath on me.F that, always have one on you and tell the Doc, you will do it yourself!You dont have to do a bunch of special cleaning just a quick hand wash beforee using and badabing badaboom, All done, skip all the bs hanbdwipes and special bags for measuring, just get your p**s done, and it will be great, and get on with your biz!Its that easy bro!
jwrhn1951 johnny90372
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I've been self cathing for a few years. It took me a couple of months to get my head around the idea that I'd end up doing it for the rest of my life. Once I got used to it didn't have any problems, except for a recent UTI that has gone away after taking the antibiotic.
There is a mega-thread on here authored by @jimjames full of great advice and he was able to rehabilitate his bladder. He doesn't drop by very often but he's a wealth of knowledge you might PM him for his perspective.
I have found for me, after the first few months, its no big deal. I travel a lot both nationally and internationally and have even made that work with no real problems in the cramped airliner bathrooms.
I do see the Doc's every six months and they have changed catheters a few times to adapt to my life style. I think its a good idea go to a place that has a lot of experience. I travel quite a way to a large VA hospital affiliated with a nationally known medical school and have been very happy with my care.
As has been said CIC is certainly not for everybody, but for those with spinal chord injuries and other types of nerve damage it is a literal lifesaver.
Good luck, hang around here, as there are a lot of knowledgeable old timers here who can answer any questions and share their experience.
mike588 johnny90372
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I agree with Ken, if you get a qualified nurse to teach you it's really a piece of cake, a moment of discomfort or even what you could call pain but it's over and afterwards there is zero pain. But the feeling of an empty bladder and a few hours of relief is more than worth it. You might still want to take medication even if you do it since I think it makes it easier in combination but I can't say for sure.
tom86211 mike588
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Mike,
This "piece of cake" for you was a terrible experience for me - so, you can't generalize. My first attempt at CIC did not go well. The pain was so bad I had to stop and couldn't complete the cath. I then sent for samples of other types of catheters and was able to complete a few CIC attempts, but with great difficulty and a lot of discomfort. This was in 2014. Earlier this year I tried again and was only able to get the catheter about an inch in, then had to stop - terrible pain. Obviously, we are all different and my urethra must be narrow and very sensitive. So, you can't extrapolate your own experience and tell a newbie that this is something that is easy and pain free. I will never do CIC again unless it's an absolute emergency and the alternative is a trip to the ER - been there, done that.
Tom
mike588 tom86211
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Tom,
I'm sorry for you. My first attempts at self cath before I had instructions were indeed a nightmare, I was scared I was going to damage myself and did not get it through even though I was desperate in retention.
I was commenting to Johnny, forgive me for not writing "for most" like Ken did, my main point was to encourage Johnny to get a professional to teach him, that for most guys it's not painful and not the medieval torture we all imagine it to be before we ever do it - I believe from everything I've seen here on patient.info it is a very fair generalization that it's quick, easy and painless and that of course there are exceptions. Again I am sorry it doesn't work for you it must be horrible to try all those times and go through all of that. For me it's been a godsend.
tom86211 mike588
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Mike,
After my first attempt at CIC I read articles on the net about how to do it, and my subsequent attempts were successful, but slow, difficult and somewhat painful. There is definitely a learning curve to go through. My last attempt, as I have mentioned before, was just too painful to bear. So, I am not a good candidate for this, and I decided to move forward with a bipolar TURP. I barely made it to the hospital because I was almost in total retention by the time I got checked in. Once there, the nurse asked me to go to the bathroom and pee - only a little came out. At that point I wanted that operation done as fast as possible! Once they gave me the general it seemed like the whole thing was over in a split second. Very easy.
Tom
mike588 tom86211
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Hi Tom,
How long ago did you have the Turp ? I'm going to have to do something like that in the next year CIC works but it's not a good lifestyle and I think eventually prostate will grow so much that it will be difficult or painful like with you pre-TURP.
Are you feeling better now? I definitely know what it feels like to be in retention, I don't wish that on anyone.
all the best
Michael
tom86211 mike588
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Mike,
I had my TURP in April. Was scheduled to go in December, but canceled and continued to research alternatives - a mistake, should not have waited. Had Foley catheter in for 3 days - the only discomfort I experienced from the entire procedure. I felt fine after the Foley was out, and waited a couple of weeks to get back to my normal exercise routine. It has taken months for my bladder to "calm down" and feel less irritated. I am sleeping better at night, but still get up 5x per night - used to be more, so developed this sleep issue for about a year before the TURP - I waited too long and got into a bad habit of getting up frequently. Length of sleep is improving slowly. No RE - my urologist was careful. I have not had a strong urine stream for years, despite a PAE in 2017 and the TURP this year, so my issues are likely bladder related rather than prostate at this point.
Tom
mike588 tom86211
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Good luck with your bladder reconditioning or whatever you call it. I definitely have an obstruction, stream is weak, but I believe the CIC has helped my bladder I rarely have urgency, well I would if I did not do the CIC if bladder gets too full. So now I wake up once or twice maybe. But before I used to have urgency just about all the time if I didn't pee every hour. Maybe you have what they called overactive bladder I think there is a medication for that.
Was your TURP the traditional TURP you read about or a more modern version ? I'm surprised no RE because besides the ejaculatory ducts just reducing the size of the prostate will leave a gap and on ejaculation the semen flows into the bladder. This was explained to me by my Urologist.
tom86211 mike588
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Mike,
My TURP was bipolar. I would never have the older style monopolar TURP. There are a variety of meds for overactive bladder. I take trospium and it does help. It's also generic and very inexpensive. I am hoping that over time my bladder will feel less irritated and I can get off the trospium. My urologist has a good reputation and we discussed RE before the surgery. Apparently he was able to spare my ducts because I do not have RE. Maybe your urologist doesn't do the duct sparing TURP. Who knows? All I know is that I am OK. So, it is possible to have a TURP and not get RE - good to know, if you get the right urologist.
Tom
mike588 tom86211
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Tom thanks that is interesting, I think my urologists does exactly that one, I didn't know it was called BiPolar I seem to remember something about "button" in the description. Whereabouts do you live? I'm in Colorado.
Best Regards
Michael
tom86211 mike588
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Michael,
I live in California. Just for review, the older style TURP is monopolar. The newer types are bipolar and plasma button. Monopolar is being replaced by bipolar, because the company that makes the equipment (Olympus Medical) keeps improving the hardware. Go to YouTube and you can see videos of the different types. Bipolar and Plasma Button equipment cauterizes the bleeding, so recovery is much faster. I had basically almost no bleeding which is why I was able to go home almost immediately after my operation. The only bleeding I noticed was from the Foley catheter I had in for 3 days.
Tom
kennethaki tom86211
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thanks to tom and mike. interesting experiences. i wear a bag at night which can collect up to 500 mls. I NLY GET UP TWICE a night now. sometimes once. i fnd a couple of oils a few hours before bed sometimes let me sleep through until 7 am.