Should I wait for Zeiss LARA in the US or get Symfony?

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Should I wait for Zeiss LARA in the US or get Symfony?

LARA promises 0.5D more range and lesser night time issues with the SMP.  Anyone has any ideas on this.

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    Thanks for all the thoughts.  Looking at the ZARA design (SMP) I would almost think that it would show more circles although they would be lighter due to gentler slope.

    Is there even a single patient review available?

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    I'm really interested in the first reviews too as I'm hoping this will be out and well liked when it's time for my second eye. However, in general, patient reviews of IOL's seem to be very hard to find. We might need someone who comes on this (or a similar site) in advance of the surgery in order to actually write a review after they are done.

    Do a search on "Restor 2.5D Review" and you'll see what I mean, you basically just find my posts, journals and paid studies. Yet, this is for an IOL that ranked just behind Symfony (23% to 22%) in terms of premium IOL's being implanted in the US (by surgeon preference in the 1/2018 Review of Ophthalmology).

    There must be thousands of this IOL being implanted yet practically no patient reviews, just paid studies and journal articles plus a handful of complaints. 

    I think that Symfony, being a new design, has gotten more attention but I'm worried that we won't get nearly as much feedback about the next EDOF design unless it's people complaining about problems. I suspect that the main reason for the overall death of reviews is the average age of cataract patients puts them into the pre-internet era and they just don't think about reviewing something like an IOL unless they've encountered some serious issues. 

     

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      It would be nice to know if it is in the FDA trial or not and also some timeframe around US availability. 

      what is LARA doing?  Giving more near vision?  Giving sharper vision?  Reducing the brightness of concentric circles?  By how much?

  • Posted

    Zeiss has replied that there is no launch schedule for the US.
    • Posted

      That’s too bad.  Would it be worth asking if Canada will have that lens?  I know we were approved for Symfony a year ahead of USA.  Might be worth exploring.

      I do know some lenses we will never get for a variety of reasons.  

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    Is Symfony the only lens where people see rings?  Do people see the rings on trifocal or multifocal?

    Everything they calim for LARA, Zeiss also has had for atLISA (SMP, better contrast etc.).  Are there rings with LISA?

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      Soks, I have a multifocal IOL (Restor 2.5D), and the small halo I see around point sources of light is sometimes a single diffuse round ring and other times I can see 3 or 4 distinct, individual rings. They aren't always round, if a light source has a rectangular distribution, I can see multiple rectangular rings. However, the individual rings are spaced very close together and the overall diameter of the halo is pretty small.

      The AT LISA is a tri-focal so you should be able to see two separate halos of different diameters with a gap in between, so you'd see the actual in-focus light source in the center, then a gap, then a halo, another gap, then the second halo.  

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      I sent you a link albeit from a clinic but it makes some comparisons between Symfony and atLISA.

      I don’t think there is more contrast sensitivity with a trifocals as it is splitting light among 3 focal points.   Also article states halos and glare worse with multifocal and trifocals vs EDOF lenses.  There may not be rings but I think glare and starburst (think all night time issues lumped as halos in these articles) but they could be worse than rings.  I remember early weeks with Symfony that I found that worse to deal with than the concentric rings.

    • Posted

      Interesting.   Do you get much glare as well or is those rings you describe the only night time issue with Restor?
    • Posted

      So a multifocal is something between a trifocal and an EDoF?

       

    • Posted

      The small halo (which often seems to be composed of individual rings) is the only night artifact I have. Although, I will note that the light source itself sometimes isn't perfectly defined either (a bit of a blob) and I think this is glare. It's mostly with LED and HID headlights and I see a very similar effect through my other eye too (the difference being the added halo from the out of focus near point). 

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      I think "bifocal" would be closer but they don't use that term because people associate the term bifocal with the split focus glasses and the IOL's work nothing like that. 

      There are currently several multifocals with two focus points and a few designs with three focus points, "trifocal" (AT LISA). These would both be considered multifocals but I don't think that any tri-focal is available in the US at the moment. These IOL's create two or three distinct images on the retina and your brain sorts out the "correct" image. Under certain conditions, the overlapping out of focus images can create halos or other artifacts. 

      The EDOF designs, like Symfony work differently and do not create two separate images on the retina. 

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      Strictly speaking a multifocal IOL lens is any lens which has more than one focus point (compared with only one focus point for monofocal). It can be bifocal lens (as most of them started as and thus often used synonymously with), a trifocal lens, or even an Extended Vision lens like Symfony (which has about 10 focus points).
    • Posted

      Hi soks, it may be worthwhile to read the feedback from nancy528 who had Technis Symfony lens implant(s). Discussion bears the title "Complications from YAG capsulotomy?". Her Pb was not with Symfony's halo /  starburts / rings around street lights. Rather with

      her surgeon promptly carried out a YAG the very next day after her lens implantation.

      nancy528 > veepee  (2017-06)

      The YAG was not done for the starbursts or halo effect.  I do see starbursts around bright street lights but I kind of think they are cool!  I know, that sounds weird but they don't bother me and may subside as my brain adjusts to them, at least that is,what I heard,

      nancy528 > Susie91820  (2017-06)

      Susie and Veepee,

      what type of lens do you each have that caused such terrible halos?

      i have Tecnis Symfony and do not have such an issue.  I have not done my second eye yet but it is supposed to be a technis mult focal to give me more near vision correction. 

  • Posted

    Do they use the ORA in Europe?  Does the ORA support recommendations for ZEISS lenses?
    • Posted

      "reichert com" (hqs in NY) (European Service Center in Munich Germany)

      with distributors in:  France, Germany, UK and other EU countries

      supplier of: Ocular Response Analyzer® G3

      Random example: Dr Damien Gatinel (Paris Fr) (gatinel com), mentions ORA, IOL Master, Zeiss in his papers, but does not state what machine(s) he leases.

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