Start up effects, why we have them.
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So I read a post the other day which explains why we have start up effects, worsening anxiety, depression, etc with SSRI'S that are suppose to make us feel better. It is so accurate. I know its a long read but worth it if you have the time!
One of the concerns I've noticed most people have when starting an SSRI or increasing it's dose is how crap they feel to start with. This causes a great deal of stress for the person as they begin to wonder whats happening, is their disease just getting worse and worse, are these drugs doing absolutely nothing for them?? etc etc.
So having not seen a real explanation of exactly how an SSRI works I thought I'd make this post to hopefully show people exactly WHY you often feel so aweful to start with.
First to understand this we need to know a little bit about the brain and about how nerves work.
The brain is essential a big dense bundle of nerves, nerves as we know carry electrical signals around our brain and body. Nerves are made up of nerve cells (called neurons but that doesn't really matter).
The important part to remember here is that nerve cells do not touch each other, there is a small gap between each cell (called a synapse, again not important). This gap prevents the electrical signal from going from one cell to another. So how does the signal get from one cell to another?
This is where neurotransmitters come in, these are chemicals released by nerve cells that tell a neighbouring nerve cell to pass the signal along. A bit like pass the parcel, where the signal is the parcel and the neurotransmitters are the people passing it around (essentially anyway).
Serotonin is one such neurotransmitter.
So when an electrical signal reaches the end of a nerve cell that deals with serotonin that cell releases serotonin into the gap (synapse), serotonin then crosses the gap and interacts with the nearby nerve cell and tells it to pass the signal along.
Once the serotonin has done it's job parts of the nerve cell then reabsorb the serotonin from the gap so that no more signals are passed until the next one comes down the nerve (if it stayed in the gap it would invoke more signals and for longer).
SSRIs, (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) interfere with this reabsorbtion process and thus serotonin stays in the gap longer, which equates to more serotonin and more signals. This is good for people with low serotonin levels (us).
That's all very interesting I'm sure but why do I feel like crap??
Well here's the thing, along with the releasing serotonin, and reabsorbing it, nerve cells also have parts that detect an increase in serotonin level and tell the nerve cell to stop producing anymore serotonin until the level drops. These are called autoreceptors.
Autoreceptors are the reason you feel like s**t, so when you feel like crap blame them.
As I've said taking an SSRI will increase the amount of serotonin in your brain, or more specifically increases the amount in the synapses between nerve cells. Unfortunately the autoreceptors of the nerve cell pick up on this increase and tell the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin.
The result of this is that when you first start taking an SSRI your serotonin levels DROP.
How do they go up again??
Eventually with continuous use of SSRIs the autoreceptors become desensitised, that is to say they've continually told the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin but yet serotonin is still there. In short they simply give up. They stop telling the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin and your serotonin levels start to increase.
This desensitisation takes time, it doesn't happen over night and it won't even begin to happen until the SSRI levels have stabilised (which we already know takes 5-7 days anyway).
This is why you feel so bad, it's why your mood drops and your anxiety increases (fueld by the fear of not knowing whats going on).
I hope this isn't too complicated but it really helps me to understand why I feel so bad when i increase dose or start taking them, so to summarise:
SSRIs cause your serotonin levels to drop when you first start taking them.
Your serotonin levels will not rise until the autoreceptors in your brain have stopped working (become desensitised).
This takes time. For some people it could be a couple of week, for others a month or more.
I hope this helps some people to understand what these drugs are doing and why you don't get instant results. Other drugs work in different ways and that's the reason they can have a more immediate effects (benzos for example).
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terri12857 Grounded
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. That's the best explanation I've have ever heard and it makes so much sense to me now. I really appreciate you taking the time to read up on this and explaining this to everyone out there. Now I understand why I feel so sick 🤮 and awful every time I increase my dose of zoloft or decrease my dose of zoloft.
jenny93142 Grounded
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Thank you so much!The best post ever about how they work. I think so many if us take these tablets without understanding them which leads to increased anxiety, and increased doses! Many, many Thanks for taking the time to write this on here!
terri12857 jenny93142
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Hi Jenny, I totally agree with you.. This post made me feel so much better.
mariah69970 Grounded
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Do you think it's possible for it to take a few months to level? I've been on a new dose since July and I have been having ups and downs. Downs only for moments at a time. I feel my mood has been down lately as well....wondering if I just need more time to adjust?
terri12857 mariah69970
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It can take a while for the zoloft to take effect but if you have been on it since July you might need a dose increase or decrease.. You should definitely talk to your doctor about this asap.. When is your next appointment with your doctor 😷? 🤔 Do you see a a regular psychiatrist or just a family doctor 😷 because it's best to speak to a psychiatrist about this because they are better trained in dealing with mental health issues than a family doctor 😷 is and they definitely know more about anti depressants than a regular doctor 😷 does.. If you don't have a regular psychiatrist that you see just get your family doctor 😷 to make a referral for you to see a psychiatrist asap. I have been seeing my psychiatrist since 2013 and she's amazing she even renews all of my meds by fax when I'm getting low on all of my meds for me because I only see her every 3-4 months and if I feel that I need one of my meds increase or decreased my pharmacist just sends her a fax request and she will authorize this for me no problems or questions asked. I hope this helps you out a bit hun 💯 ❤️
mariah69970 terri12857
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Decreasing sounds scary! Lol. It's so hard knowing what to do! I have yet to make an appointment with my Dr because I want to wait and see if I have any more improvements. How do you know if you need to decrease rather than increase?
mariah69970 terri12857
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And it was more like end of July/early August...lol
Grounded mariah69970
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Absolutely! It can be a bit of a roller coaster in the beginning few months, but the fact that you are having ups is great! It means that the zoloft is doing its job. I think once we learn to recognize and see that we are having good days, the better we do, and the shorter the bad days become as we start to think more positive about our progress, and we can let go and not dwell on a few bad days here and there. Are the down times seeming to get less? For less periods of time? I would say if so wait it out a little longer, try to do some things for yourself in the mean time such as making sure that you are eating right (serotonin is also in the gut) getting some type of exercise, drinking plenty of water, trying to get out and socialize, etc, those things also play a big role in feeling better.
Ellielab Grounded
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Thank you so much for this information Grounded. It is enlightening and reassuring . It makes me feel so much better about how I have been feeling since starting sertraline. I honestly think this has even helped bring my blood pressure down a bit, as it's made me understand that the sudden rise is probably just a combination of initial increased anxiety and chemical changes. Thanks again.
terri12857 Ellielab
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It helped me feel a little bit better too. I'm glad it helped you feel better too and that it brought your blood pressure down it just goes to show you that anxiety can do really bad things to our bodies. Take care of yourself