Statins are powerful anti-inflammatories
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Statins are powerful anti-inflammatories
I recently read that statins are potent anti-inflammatories. I perked right up and thought to myself that is just what I need. I had stopped low dose statins when I got PMR just to prevent confusion, since statins cause muscle problems in about 7% of patients. But restarting statins would require a lot of research. Not one of my doctors had suggested it. I am happy to say the results have been very encouraging.
First, I found that the knowledge that statins are powerful anti-inflammatories dates only from 2002. Since then a lot of research has been done on whether statins could help other diseases, not just cardiac problems. So I would have to plough through a lot of research.
I remembered Eileen of this forum is down on statins since she had severe major muscle problems and was on crutches for a time. But still the words “powerful anti-inflammatories” were compelling enough that I really wanted to look into it. And I am very glad I did.
I read about a clinical trial of rheumatoid arthritis (RA) patients on 40mg Lipitor (atorvastatin), and after 6 months “CRP levels and erythrocyte sedimentation rate reduced by 50% and 28%, respectively, relative to placebo.” Also the swelling and inflammation of RA was greatly reduced. This again sounded like just what I needed since my CRP and sed rates have been higher than ever recently, despite all the prednisone.
In September PMR inflammation went to my lungs and in October I had to go on oxygen for a couple of weeks. Just feeding the dogs would leave me gasping for breath. It was a horrid experience. Not being able to breathe is really scary, far scarier than muscle pain. Since then I have been on 3 quick high dose prednisone regimens, but they only helped temporarily, and the problems would return. So I wondered if statins would help my breathing. More research, and indeed I found that statins help respiratory problems of all kinds. My respiratory problems were interesting because I had neither a cough nor wheezing nor crackles. My lungs sounded and looked clear, but I could hardly breathe. That's why they thought it was PMR inflammation in the lungs.
Next I wanted to know if I could distinguish PMR pain from muscle pain caused by a reaction to statins. I found muscle pain from statins is more likely to be in the major muscles like the thighs and not in the typical PMR bilateral shoulder girdle area as I had had. Also the major muscles were weakened, which is not a trait of PMR. And apparently taking CoenzymeQ10 at the same time as statins can alleviate the statin muscle problem.
CoQ10 has definitely helped an Indian friend of mine who had to go off statins many years ago because of muscle problems. He had open heart surgery two years ago, and his doctors still wanted him on statins for recovery. (Reducing inflammation is always important!) The CoQ10 has made the difference and now he is taking atorvastatin without a problem and is playing tennis.
There was even one study some time ago that said statins might even cause PMR. OK I looked at that one too. It was a lousy study. It was a retrospective data analysis on data collected for another purpose. There was a lot of data manipulation, and it was the exact kind of study that so often yields spurious results.
I still had a large bottle of atorvastatin left, and, since I am an incorrigible experimenter, I started it 10 days ago at 40mg. (I had been on 10mg the year before, so 4 pills did the trick.) I didn’t expect it to work quickly, but it has! My breathing is vastly improved already. Statins are pretty safe drugs, so safe that I read they are sold over the counter in the UK. To me statins are an infinitely better idea than the methotrexate my pulmonary and rheumatology doctors wanted me to be on. (Methotrexate, from what I’ve read, is pretty nasty).
With statins, I feel like now at last I can actually start reducing prednisone and still breathe. I can now hold my breath for 38 seconds ;10 days ago the best I could do was 12 seconds. Also today I recovered normal breathing quickly; 10 days ago recovery was difficult and slow with prolonged gasping.
Now I have to figure out how to tell my primary what I did so I can get another atorvastatin prescription! She really dislikes my self-experimentation, but this is the first thing that has worked other than high doses of prednisone. And I have to restart some exercise! Gladly!
There currently seems to be a lack of ANY high quality clinical trials of statins with PMR/GCA, but if you have breathing problems in addition to PMR, it might be a risk you want to take as I did. We know it helps RA.
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julian. noninoni
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I had no obvious symptoms of coronary problems. It needed a stress echo test and angiogram to find blocked artery.
I resisted taking statins previously as I'm sceptical about statistically based preventive medicine indicating statins. I prefer something more personal - hence the tests. Different when things changed from "preventive" to "breakdown" maintenance.
Post stent insertion I attended a coronary rehab. Slowly increased exercise regime with lots of monitoring heart etc. I was concerned about provoking a PMR flare but that didn't happen. Never a hint. Simply getting fit, and hopefully staying fit, has increased my energy levels. Over Christmas I went for a 12km hike (up and down) with no pmr related after effects, just the nice stiffness of well used muscles.
I'd reduced from 5 to 4.5mg/day pred just before the stent, and am now down to 3.5mg/day. Ready to reduce further but being patient.
Prior to the stent I'd had a vague impression that the pmr had turned the corner and I was nearing the end.
Too many things changed at the same time really to nail down the cause. Probably a bit of everything - stage of pmr, exercise (blood flow), blood thinners (blood flow), stent (improved heart function) and possibly statins.
But anyway, here I am. Still a bit twingy in my upper arms, and a bit stiff when I get up from sitting for too long from the pmr, but doing things I couldn't have done a year ago, and looking forward to further pred reduction.
I can hardly hold my breath for a minute though .... lung capacity low, though it didn't stop me scuba diving many years ago. 38 seconds from 12 seconds is a massive change in a short time - enough ammo for you to start a conversation with doctor.
Coincidentally, all the heart related diet stuff seems to consider anti-inflammatory so it was relatively easy to get to reasonably healthy diet even before I had heart problem. Even down to the balance of the omega thingies - though perhaps its just that I like kippers rather than omega 3.
constance.de noninoni
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faye______00403 constance.de
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from taking statins. That drug almost destroyed his liver. He told
me that during a vist. Stunned that millions can take statins with
no problems but it almost cost him his life....I can't take statins
because they make me feel horrible......Really do some research
before you take statins long term....
constance.de faye______00403
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Nefret noninoni
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There isn't likely to be any kind of reseach about statins/PMR anytime soon as my experience is the most common side effect and now I am aware those with musculo-skeletal who are put on statins are very carefully monitored.
I would suggest that if you are going to self-medicate that you at least inform your GP/Consultant.
robin73191 noninoni
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noninoni
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I am seeing my primary in two days; it is rather funny- my specialist pulmonary and rheumy doctors are so busy disagreeing with each other that my primary doesn't know what to do. I think she will be happy and interested that my breathing is so much better even if it is because I am such an onery patient. I do make her laugh however. I will print out all my research.
I really think others might benefit from statin therapy- otherwise I would not have posted the information.
faye______00403 noninoni
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even take an aspirin.....I worked in a pharmacy for several years
and know that if one person lists one response to a drug the
pharmaceutical company has to list that as a side effect.
Most drugs do good things but problem is that we don't know
until we take it usually for an extended time whether we have
some of the bad effects.....
artfingers noninoni
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noninoni artfingers
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I just hope statins will continue to improve my breathing. I think most of us don't know statins are powerful anti-inflammatories-even doctors.
Ouzel noninoni
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Because of that, a year ago I went off statins to see if my fingers would get better but it didn't help and in December (after a year) my doc suggested I could go back on stations. Sed rate was low (11). Weirdy, for a few days before I restarted the statins I had some vague symmetrical pain in hips and elbows but chalked it up to overexercise. I then restarted statins, but after two days I realized I was having a relapse of PMR so quit. I feel the statins were more coincidental than causative in the exacerbation but thanks to Noninoni I'm now wondering if I should restart the statins or not.
Incidently the finger joint stiffness is moderately worse with this relapse and it's by mid-afternoon before I can make a complete fist without pain. Worse yet, I'm a fiddle player. I'm on 20 mg prednisone and wondering if I should increase prednisone, restart statins, or what? Shoulder, hip, and pain has subsided. It was the ongoing and progressive finger joint pain that helped me find this fourm.
noninoni
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Statins cause pain in major muscles like the thighs. My guess would be you have developed rheumatic arthitis. (But it could be osteoarthritis because you use your fingers more than most people?) Statins should help in either case, and you might want to take a higher dose than you did before. Knowing rheumies, if they decide you have RA, they probably would also start you on DMARDs (Remember you can have a negative RA factor and still have RA.)
My breathing, by the way, continues to improve on statins, and I have even survived a cold with lots of coughing and congestion without having to return to using oxygen!
Ouzel noninoni
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