The TKR Experience (or...Wish I Had Another Kidney Stone)
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Most Important... Everyone heals at their own pace. Don't judge yourself by anyone else's progress. This is between you, your PT and your doc.
That being said...here are some "ballpark" estimates...
1. Medication... Take your pain meds. This is not a test of endurance. Need 'em? Take 'em. Ballpark... Most people are off the the opioids in 4-6 weeks; some need them longer. 800mg Ibuprophin or Tramadol (both RX) after that if you need it. The opioids will make you constipated and possibly dependent. Nobody wants something highly addictive in their medicine cabinet; toss them as soon as you can.
2. Pain... A TKR is really, really, really, really painful...no getting around it...especially the first month. Don't measure your pain levels daily...monthly is better as you'll see dramatic changes from the longer time span. Ballpark... The worst of the pain will probably be gone within 90 days...but again, everyone's different.
3. Assistance... Crutches, walker, cane...whatever you need for as long as you need it. Ballpark... Most people are off of all those items within 90 days but the sooner the better. Gotta start to learn how to walk on your own again...sometimes, you have to push it. (NOTE: This may not apply to people with previous hip/knee/leg problems or to the elderly.)
4. Pysical Therapy... Gotta do it. Your therapist will work with you to both straighten and bend your knee. Full range of motion is zero degrees straight and greater than 120 degrees bent ( 0 / +120 ). I started at -14 / +84 and finished 9 weeks of PT at -1 / +128. Ballpark... Depending on age, previous conditions, individual circumstances, you should shoot for the full range of motion goal. If you can't get there at PT (I was still one degree from straight), finish the work in the gym or therapy pool. The closer you get the better...but again, everyone's different. You should consult with your doc and PT. Who wants to walk with a limp or a cane the rest of their life???
5. Exercise... After PT, ya gotta rebuild the muscles in your leg, especially the quad. Walking, swimming, stairs, whatever. You have to rebuild your strength to support the knee. Ballpark... Since it's during and after PT, this work usually falls within the 3 to 6-month range for most people. My daughter has been an ACSM- and ACE-certified personal trainer and graduate nutritionist for the past 16 years. Her recommendation: Build endurance before strength. Warm up on a bike for 30-45 minutes (set the seat high enough for full leg extension)...then do your stretches. For your exercises, start with NO weight but perform 3-4 sets of 12-15 reps each until you are at ease with every exercise and are not tired out by them. Use your good leg to stabilize yourself during the the exercise...don't use the good one to fake the reps. The idea is to get the bad leg as strong as the good one before you fully exercise them together again or even isolate the bad leg for exercise. Once you can't tell one leg from the other (feeling balanced and not relying on the good one), start adding weight...slowly....like 5 pounds at a time, again using the good leg to stabilize yourself. Any pain, strain or swelling means you did too much too fast. Back off...you'll eventually have equal strength in both legs. PS: I guess people with BTKRs can do both legs together...I'd have to ask her.
6. Swelling... This is the knee's way of telling you that you overdid it. Back off, ice, elevation, rest. Ballpark... Everyone does this at one point or another. Listen to and learn from your body. Avoid pushing it too far. There's a fine line between progressing and heading off the cliff. Everyone has to find that sweet spot for themselves.
7. Sensations... There will be numbness at the incision site. Nerves have been cut. Ballpark... Crapshoot; normal feeling may come back or it may not. Some people have an uncomfortable sensation of the knee rubbing against clothing or sheets. Hint: Wrap the knee loosely with an Ace Bandage or buy a "knee sleeve" and slide it on over the knee. Easy Fix.
8. Sciatica... If you've never experienced this intense pain from your back, through your hip and then running down your leg, be thankful...be very, very thankful. On occasion, the sacroiliac (SI) joint on one or both sides of your hip will lock up and pinch/inflame the sciatic nerve. This happens because we change our gait to compensate for the knee pain. In layman's terms, "you threw your back out." Ballpark... Some people get it, some don't...another crapshoot. Possible solutions: steroid injections, Celebrex, Lyrica, 800mg Ibuprophin, chiropractic, therapy pool, accupuncture. Whatever works; talk to your doc. It's temporary but painful; cross your fingers and toes that you don't experience it.
9. For simple discomfort that doesn't need RX painkillers... Aside from the standard OTC pain meds, here's a suggestion: Voltaren Gel (diclofenac) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It works by reducing substances in the body that cause pain and inflammation. Voltaren is used to treat mild to moderate pain, or signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. I use this almost every night; just rub it in. Works in 10-15 minutes. RX only. Get your MD to write a script for lots of tubes (I got five right out of the box.). Checked with a few pharmacists about an OTC pain relieving cream...they all told me to get my doc to write a script for Voltaren. Don't think about it; just do it.
10. Post-Op Depression... No one..NO ONE...talks about this, not even the docs. Found out the hard way when I had my hip replaced in 2009. Hospital, rehab facility then home. Started crying and couldn't stop for three days. Called my MD cousin. Told me that it was Post Operative Depression. This is a KNOWN condition that occurs frequently in people who have had an operation that removed an original part of their body. Not so bad for appendix, gallbladder, etc. Moderate to severe for hips, knees, shoulders, etc. Really bad for heart transplants, traumatic brain injury, etc. For us, it's a definite possibility so be prepared. Blown away for three days with the hip until I knew what it was. Gone in 24 hours because I was now aware of it. For the knee, I was totally prepared. Kicked its butt. Remember...this is a definite possibility so be prepared. If you start feeling really sad and you're crying all the time post-op...now you know. Get out of the house into some sunshine. Take extra Vitamin D. Eat healthy; hydrate. Do not let this get to you and do not start anti-depressants. This is a temporary condition. Concentrate on pain management and rehab...PT and gym...endorphins do wonders in combatting depression. Get on top of it, wrestle it to the ground and beat the everlovin' crap out of it.
11. Long Recovery... That "swollen look", popping and clicking sounds, stiffness...all normal. Ballpark... All of this should resolve in 12-18 months...or maybe it won't. Who the hell knows...I'm just thankful that I'm walking again and not in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. Goal...get back on my skates again. After 44 years playing hockey, it's been too long. I'll never play the sport again but just skating would be soooooo great. Just have to see what happens.
12. Goals... This is easy. SHORT TERM (3-4 months): Get off the opioid pain meds; switch to non-addictive pain killers if you need them. Use the Voltaren Gel. Go to PT and get your full range of motion back (0 / +120). Toss your walking aids. MID-TERM (4-12 months): Rebuild your leg and core strength. Complete any range of motion therapy/exercises so you are walking normally, especially up and down stairs. Start adding close-to-normal activities, like walking a mile every day if that was your "thing". Begin with a lesser distance and increase without any knee swelling. LONG TERM (12-18 months and beyond): Set realistic goals for leading a fully normal life again...as if the TKR had never happened. However, there may be activities that you once did and must now avoid. For me, I can skate but not play competitive hockey ever again. For others, running may be bad because of impact issues while speed walking might be a good substitute. There are plenty of on-line resources that list OK, possible and "never again" activities for people with knee and hip replacements. Your doc will probably have his/her own ideas but this is from The Mayo Clinic: "After you've recovered, you can enjoy a variety of low-impact activities, such as walking, swimming, golfing or biking. But you should avoid higher impact activities — such as jogging, skiing, tennis and sports that involve contact or jumping. Talk to your doctor about your limitations." I saw one site that listed singles tennis as a no-no but doubles was OK becuse there was less movement and impact. It's all very individual but the ultimate goal is to lead a healthy, active, productive life again...a far cry from lying in bed in utter pain one week post-op.
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Mclark43 CHICO_MARX
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CHICO_MARX Mclark43
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Asked my doc why I was sleeping like 12 hours a day. Quote:
"All of the energy in your body is being directed at healing your knee. Relax. Totally normal. This takes time."
Enjoy the time off...
Duckfan CHICO_MARX
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I'm heading into my 4th month and all of a sudden, it seems, I have more energy. I feel like I just woke up and rejoined the world. Your body will tell you when you're ready.
CHICO_MARX Duckfan
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Mclark43 Duckfan
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Thank you... I'm such a worry wart.
Mclark43 CHICO_MARX
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Thank you... I'm such a worry wart.
Mclark43 CHICO_MARX
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First I would relly like to express my appreciation for all those sharing the TKR experience. This is now my "go to" place for answers to my many questions. One for now.... does the weather affect your knee pain? will it last forever?
CHICO_MARX Mclark43
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I'm in Texas where it's (usually) always warm. I don't even get a twitch when rain is on the way. When I lived in New Jersey with a hip replacement, I was the family weatherman. Many people report being able to tell the weather in advance. All a matter of personal sensitivity and where you live.
wendy24221 CHICO_MARX
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I'm in rainy old England and definitely affected by the weather. As soon as the barometer falls my knees become sore, both the TKR knee and the unoperated one, and also my thumbs. It is said to be caused by being sensitive to atmospheric pressure. I had this problem before TKR and find Ibuprofen gel or Voltarol help until it passes.
Duckfan CHICO_MARX
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I'm on the rainy Oregon Coast and it's supposed to rain today and my knees are barking up a storm, I've always thought the weather affected the joints.
Mclark43 CHICO_MARX
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I have hear that MSL Laser Theraphy can help manage pain, reduce inflammation and speed up recovery time. Any and all reponses would be appreciated. I'm conducting a little research since I've never heard of this.
CHICO_MARX Mclark43
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I'd create a new Discussion with "TKR MSL Laser Therapy" as the title. Great way to get people to notice it. No one's gonna see it buried in here... I'm gonna look into it too... Thanks.
june6133 CHICO_MARX
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CHICO_MARX june6133
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If you haven't read these...
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/tkr-strong-594566
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/tkr-and-ptsd-569521
One your truly OWN your recovery and not be a victim of it, you'll turn it all around. You can do this...and become stronger for the experience. It's a challenge not a death sentence. Yeah, no more hockey or skiing for me but I'll take the tradeoff to walk with no pain any day. When faced with the choice of getting up and doing something versus laying down and feeling sorry for yourself, ALWAYS GET UP!!! You'll feel so much better. At 15 months post-op, it's almost like it all never happened.
Mclark43 CHICO_MARX
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I love this forum. It has answered so many of my questions and fears. You know how you think no one else could possibly have the same symtoms that you have. I'm 12 weeks TKR post op I think I'm really here to whine but I need to some help or advice or confirmation about my "depression issues". So to jump right in... I do not have to energy or drive to do anything. I have 4 loads of laundry to fold..and I live alone. Also, I have an extremely supportive family., but when they ask me how I'm doing I give the standard "I'm doing good" response. I did just was 3 days of dishes. There are things I could do but I don't want to so I don't. Then I berated myself for being so lazy. I force myself to exercise every other day... and it's not because it hurts so bad.. I just don't want to do it. I cry every day at nothing at all. I am a little OCD but that doesn't compel me to do anything. Oh, and I worry... am I losing extension in my leg?? Is that even possible?? because my knees don't lay down the same. Why does my knee hurt in different places? because one area will stop hurting only to usher in another pain in another area.. I do make sure I at least get up and out of the recliner every 30 min-1hour. Does anyone else feel the same way? Does anyone else feel useless and don't want to do anything?? I'm a sad case.
daphine28576 Mclark43
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cheryl86544 Mclark43
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I'm so sorry to hear you say this. Keep in mind that this was major surgery. What you're feeling is totally normal. The first step I'd take would be to practise saying "It's a difficult recovery but I'm getting a little better:"
It sounds like you're suffering from post op depression which is very real after knee replacement surgery. Don't be hard on yourself. You're not a sad case at all, you're just recovering from brutal surgery.
To make myself feel better I visualise and focus on how my life will be down the track. I've never run in my life but I'm excited at the thought of being able to jog. I'm also thinking of doing dance classes, try to focus on that.
You're feeling bad and it's a tough battle but you'll get there and your life will be so much better for it. Are you still going to physiotherapy? It would be good if you can for a few reasons - there's the obvious - it will help you, but getting up and going out will be a great thing for you as well. Hydrotherapy is also very good.
Please feel good about yourself, you're a champion!
Mclark43 cheryl86544
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tammy11224 Mclark43
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You are in good company! I have found this forum to be a true lifesaver! I had my left TKR done in December 2016 at 58 years young. It was a very emotional experience. Even though the doc and PT marveled at my good recovery I was depressed as all get out and at one point I felt like just giving into it! I too, found Chico Marx to be a true hardball inspiration! He knows and shares a lot of great stuff he has learned through experience and his daughter is quite knowledgeable! I need to have my right knee replaced and am scheduled for October 2017. I am not thrilled, but now at 6 months + I can honestly say the left knee is feeling good and continues to feel better with each passing day! And actually it feels better the more steps I get into my days. The right knee will be a little different for me since I probably won't be able to drive quite as quickly.
I want to wish you the very best as you continue your journey of healing. This forum and Chico Marx are a true blessing!??
daphine28576 tammy11224
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