The TKR Experience (or...Wish I Had Another Kidney Stone)
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Most Important... Everyone heals at their own pace. Don't judge yourself by anyone else's progress. This is between you, your PT and your doc.
That being said...here are some "ballpark" estimates...
1. Medication... Take your pain meds. This is not a test of endurance. Need 'em? Take 'em. Ballpark... Most people are off the the opioids in 4-6 weeks; some need them longer. 800mg Ibuprophin or Tramadol (both RX) after that if you need it. The opioids will make you constipated and possibly dependent. Nobody wants something highly addictive in their medicine cabinet; toss them as soon as you can.
2. Pain... A TKR is really, really, really, really painful...no getting around it...especially the first month. Don't measure your pain levels daily...monthly is better as you'll see dramatic changes from the longer time span. Ballpark... The worst of the pain will probably be gone within 90 days...but again, everyone's different.
3. Assistance... Crutches, walker, cane...whatever you need for as long as you need it. Ballpark... Most people are off of all those items within 90 days but the sooner the better. Gotta start to learn how to walk on your own again...sometimes, you have to push it. (NOTE: This may not apply to people with previous hip/knee/leg problems or to the elderly.)
4. Pysical Therapy... Gotta do it. Your therapist will work with you to both straighten and bend your knee. Full range of motion is zero degrees straight and greater than 120 degrees bent ( 0 / +120 ). I started at -14 / +84 and finished 9 weeks of PT at -1 / +128. Ballpark... Depending on age, previous conditions, individual circumstances, you should shoot for the full range of motion goal. If you can't get there at PT (I was still one degree from straight), finish the work in the gym or therapy pool. The closer you get the better...but again, everyone's different. You should consult with your doc and PT. Who wants to walk with a limp or a cane the rest of their life???
5. Exercise... After PT, ya gotta rebuild the muscles in your leg, especially the quad. Walking, swimming, stairs, whatever. You have to rebuild your strength to support the knee. Ballpark... Since it's during and after PT, this work usually falls within the 3 to 6-month range for most people. My daughter has been an ACSM- and ACE-certified personal trainer and graduate nutritionist for the past 16 years. Her recommendation: Build endurance before strength. Warm up on a bike for 30-45 minutes (set the seat high enough for full leg extension)...then do your stretches. For your exercises, start with NO weight but perform 3-4 sets of 12-15 reps each until you are at ease with every exercise and are not tired out by them. Use your good leg to stabilize yourself during the the exercise...don't use the good one to fake the reps. The idea is to get the bad leg as strong as the good one before you fully exercise them together again or even isolate the bad leg for exercise. Once you can't tell one leg from the other (feeling balanced and not relying on the good one), start adding weight...slowly....like 5 pounds at a time, again using the good leg to stabilize yourself. Any pain, strain or swelling means you did too much too fast. Back off...you'll eventually have equal strength in both legs. PS: I guess people with BTKRs can do both legs together...I'd have to ask her.
6. Swelling... This is the knee's way of telling you that you overdid it. Back off, ice, elevation, rest. Ballpark... Everyone does this at one point or another. Listen to and learn from your body. Avoid pushing it too far. There's a fine line between progressing and heading off the cliff. Everyone has to find that sweet spot for themselves.
7. Sensations... There will be numbness at the incision site. Nerves have been cut. Ballpark... Crapshoot; normal feeling may come back or it may not. Some people have an uncomfortable sensation of the knee rubbing against clothing or sheets. Hint: Wrap the knee loosely with an Ace Bandage or buy a "knee sleeve" and slide it on over the knee. Easy Fix.
8. Sciatica... If you've never experienced this intense pain from your back, through your hip and then running down your leg, be thankful...be very, very thankful. On occasion, the sacroiliac (SI) joint on one or both sides of your hip will lock up and pinch/inflame the sciatic nerve. This happens because we change our gait to compensate for the knee pain. In layman's terms, "you threw your back out." Ballpark... Some people get it, some don't...another crapshoot. Possible solutions: steroid injections, Celebrex, Lyrica, 800mg Ibuprophin, chiropractic, therapy pool, accupuncture. Whatever works; talk to your doc. It's temporary but painful; cross your fingers and toes that you don't experience it.
9. For simple discomfort that doesn't need RX painkillers... Aside from the standard OTC pain meds, here's a suggestion: Voltaren Gel (diclofenac) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It works by reducing substances in the body that cause pain and inflammation. Voltaren is used to treat mild to moderate pain, or signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. I use this almost every night; just rub it in. Works in 10-15 minutes. RX only. Get your MD to write a script for lots of tubes (I got five right out of the box.). Checked with a few pharmacists about an OTC pain relieving cream...they all told me to get my doc to write a script for Voltaren. Don't think about it; just do it.
10. Post-Op Depression... No one..NO ONE...talks about this, not even the docs. Found out the hard way when I had my hip replaced in 2009. Hospital, rehab facility then home. Started crying and couldn't stop for three days. Called my MD cousin. Told me that it was Post Operative Depression. This is a KNOWN condition that occurs frequently in people who have had an operation that removed an original part of their body. Not so bad for appendix, gallbladder, etc. Moderate to severe for hips, knees, shoulders, etc. Really bad for heart transplants, traumatic brain injury, etc. For us, it's a definite possibility so be prepared. Blown away for three days with the hip until I knew what it was. Gone in 24 hours because I was now aware of it. For the knee, I was totally prepared. Kicked its butt. Remember...this is a definite possibility so be prepared. If you start feeling really sad and you're crying all the time post-op...now you know. Get out of the house into some sunshine. Take extra Vitamin D. Eat healthy; hydrate. Do not let this get to you and do not start anti-depressants. This is a temporary condition. Concentrate on pain management and rehab...PT and gym...endorphins do wonders in combatting depression. Get on top of it, wrestle it to the ground and beat the everlovin' crap out of it.
11. Long Recovery... That "swollen look", popping and clicking sounds, stiffness...all normal. Ballpark... All of this should resolve in 12-18 months...or maybe it won't. Who the hell knows...I'm just thankful that I'm walking again and not in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. Goal...get back on my skates again. After 44 years playing hockey, it's been too long. I'll never play the sport again but just skating would be soooooo great. Just have to see what happens.
12. Goals... This is easy. SHORT TERM (3-4 months): Get off the opioid pain meds; switch to non-addictive pain killers if you need them. Use the Voltaren Gel. Go to PT and get your full range of motion back (0 / +120). Toss your walking aids. MID-TERM (4-12 months): Rebuild your leg and core strength. Complete any range of motion therapy/exercises so you are walking normally, especially up and down stairs. Start adding close-to-normal activities, like walking a mile every day if that was your "thing". Begin with a lesser distance and increase without any knee swelling. LONG TERM (12-18 months and beyond): Set realistic goals for leading a fully normal life again...as if the TKR had never happened. However, there may be activities that you once did and must now avoid. For me, I can skate but not play competitive hockey ever again. For others, running may be bad because of impact issues while speed walking might be a good substitute. There are plenty of on-line resources that list OK, possible and "never again" activities for people with knee and hip replacements. Your doc will probably have his/her own ideas but this is from The Mayo Clinic: "After you've recovered, you can enjoy a variety of low-impact activities, such as walking, swimming, golfing or biking. But you should avoid higher impact activities — such as jogging, skiing, tennis and sports that involve contact or jumping. Talk to your doctor about your limitations." I saw one site that listed singles tennis as a no-no but doubles was OK becuse there was less movement and impact. It's all very individual but the ultimate goal is to lead a healthy, active, productive life again...a far cry from lying in bed in utter pain one week post-op.
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Alison_Weaver CHICO_MARX
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we have spoken before, your information is always so helpful I wonder if you could help me with this, Iam so worried.
my progress is slow but I was getting there slowly.
iam in incredible pain so bad I even had a fall.
pain originated in left hip, knee operation was right knee, then swelling got
much wirse,
worse on hip, thought it was bursitis, had ultra sound
iam now told I have a tear in mya glutus minimus a tear
what on earth can be done to help thus please.
it really is holding up my progress
thank you
CHICO_MARX Alison_Weaver
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If you have been diagnosed with a torn muscle, then that has to be repaired. Is that what the docs say?
If you read the Sciatica Section of this post, you will see that I had a lot of nerve pain that started a some weeks after the TKR. Locked SI joints in my hips pinched the sciatic nerve on the left side. Took a chiro about a month to clear that up. That may be part of your problem. We've walked "funny" to avoid the pain and end up throwing our backs and hips out of alignment. Could be a big cause of your problem.
Then just when I thought I was done...
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/patient-heal-thyself--548806
Read the post and the the update about 2/3 of the way down the page. Diagnosed with stenosis from L1 through L5 causing the pain in my legs. I walk stooped over to avoid the worst of the pain; spine surgery in February.
I tell people that I'm going "Old Testamant" and changing my name to Job. That's bext? Locusts and boils? It seems like it just doesn't end...
Have that tear addressed; maybe a chiro can help.
mary12001 CHICO_MARX
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As you seem to be the chief advsior on TKR, can you please tell me why after nearly 10 months post TKR, I still cant walk properly. Just what is going on?
I feel so despondent.
CHICO_MARX mary12001
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Whoa...Chief Advisor? Not a doc...just sharing my experiences. However, I was married to a pharmacist for 25 years and now to a psychiatric nurse for the last 7. Between those relationships and all my medical procedures, I've become pretty aware of what goes on. But again, not a doc...not even close. Computer guy for 45 years...
I'm 10 months post op too and I understand your concern. Hurting? Yes. Despondent? No way. Wasted energy and doesn't help you get better. Read the above post to Alison...you'll get an idea of what I'm dealing with now.
In your case, what's preventing you from "walking properly"? Is your ROM 0 / +120? If not, you need more PT and/or gym work. Are your legs weak? Definitely need the gym work to rebuild your quads, glutes and core. Still have some pain, stiffness and clicking sounds? All normal...may take 12-18 months to resolve. Tramadol (Ultram) for the pain; Voltaren Gel as a topical anti-inflammatory. Both are RX in the US. Are you active? Walking every day? Getting out and doing normal things? Gotta happen. At 7 months, I went to work at Best Buy part time for the holidays. Put on 8,000 to 11,000 steps a day. Hard at first; now much easier...and helps rebuild leg strength. And I'll be 69 next month.
So...why can't you "walk properly"? What's the issue preventing you from doing so?
mary12001 CHICO_MARX
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I think driving too soon (4 weeks) upset the apple cart.
Although it's an automatic it's no good when you've had your right knee done.
If I had walked at 4 weeks (using the crutches) instead of driving all the time - I think it would have helped.
I don't know but I feel like a one-year old learning to walk for the first time - you know how they go they master a few steps and then they fall down and sometimes a pained look comes on their faces, like they can't work out why they can't do it.
That's me trying to work out why I just can't get back to walking normally again.
It's so disheartening- I just want to walk without having to think about every step and of course I'm terrified of falling over
It's like my feet have lost the automation that goes on in the walking process
CHICO_MARX mary12001
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Yes, you do have to learn how to walk again. Kick that bad leg straight out in front of you and come down on your heel. Do it again...and again...and again. After a while, it becomes natural.
"There's no crying in baseball." - Tom Hanks, A League of Their Own
There's no crying in TKR-land. Depression and disallusionment are not real...only fig newtons of our imagination. Stay strong, eat healthy, hydrate, take your meds, lose weight, do your PT and then gym work. If someone gives you crap, club them repeatedly and with extreme prejudice with your cane until they crumple to the floor in a heap of quivering flesh.
This takes time, patience and effort...a very humbling experience for us all.
PS: If you're still on the pain killers, you shouldn't be driving anyway!!!
lyn32416 mary12001
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Hi Mary. I have a similar issue with walking. I have to think about the process rather than it being automatic. First I tighten my core. Then I do as Chico says. It is a weird, alien feeling and I am at 10 months too, but our legs have been effectively cut off then reattached and we need to get our brains used to this new reality. I fell over in the garden the other day and often feel like I'm going to fall over as I also suffer from BPPV and no medical professional told me my balance would be so negatively impacted by bilateral knee replacements. I am just learning to live again as a 64 year old active woman. If this is how it is, I will cope. We have to.
NZJENNI mary12001
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All the best.
shan99257 CHICO_MARX
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Forgive my ignorance Chico, but what does RX mean?? I'm an Aussie so we call it something different. Thanks
Mkhp shan99257
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That would be a medical prescription Shan, good luck n best of health. Wikipedia is a great resource for unknown info. Just an FYI. Good health too all n best for the new year, k. P.. 🍀🍀👼👼🌬🌬🌈🌈🚴🚴🚴🏊🏊
shan99257 Mkhp
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Thanks
mary12001 lyn32416
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Hi Lyn
I will do everything Chico says and thank you for your uplifiting comments.
I wouldn't wish this on anybody but it's heartening to know that I'm not alone or going mad. Once the winter is over, I am determined to walk more and maybe go on a holiday to somewhere sunny. I didnt go anywhere last year because of my lameness. I am in my late sixties, so it's been a shock to this baby boomer, who has only ever experinced ordinary suffering from mild illnesses. Also you are no longer anybody's daughter, only a mother to sometimes ungrateful, adult children, who think youre being a baby with your slow recovery.
anyway its good to have this site to let off steam once in a while. At first i thought our Chico was a bit bombastic - mainly because i was ill and couldn't bare anybody being a know-all but now I really appreciate what he says.
CHICO_MARX mary12001
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Bombastic? Well...I'm a Sicilian from Brooklyn...we're all loud and talk with our hands. Plus I played hockey for 45 years so I'm used to bleeding, taking stitches and getting back into the game. Sometimes ya gotta just be tough on yourself. Guilty.
Know-it-all? Not even close. I'm just sharing my experiences in the hope they will help someone else out of their own torture cell which is totally similar to mine. IT guy for 45 years and not even close to being a doc in any way.
Just hoping people can take heart that they are not alone in this...we're all being humbled by the experience. As "boomers" we all thought of ourselves as indestructible. WRONG!!! I'm almost 69 and this hurts...period...mentally, physically, spiritually. The other choice is to sit back and wait to die. Not for me...or you either. Gotta kick this pig and take your life back but it takes hard work, patience and time. I'm almost at 10 months and it's not over yet for me. Can hardly walk as I developed stenosis in my back. Now I'm looking at spine surgery in February.
Looking to go "Old Testament" and change my name to Job. What's next? Locusts and boils?
Mkhp CHICO_MARX
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Funny man! Don't u know "ours is not to question why, ours is to blah blah" u keep at it cm, u da man, I know one thing u among others give me lots of "hope" n encouragement. Best from da Goya from l.i. Livin in the burbs of fla., k. P.
Mkhp mary12001
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I hear u as well Mary, u try to stay strong physically as well as mentally. This is no sissy-a surgery we have been through. You (our) pain is real. Many good people here to soldier u along. Best of good healing to u, "less pain, better health" to u and all, k. P. 🌬🌬🍀🍀🚴🚴🏊🏊👼👼
mary12001 CHICO_MARX
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You do make me laugh which can be the best tonic at times like this.
Are u married?
If ever you come to UK you must get in touch.
I've lost nearly 14 lbs thanks to your advise. X
CHICO_MARX mary12001
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My wife of almost 7 years wants to go back to "The Motherland"...Ireland. Would love to see London and the local countryside too. Maybe in a year. She's till recovering from her full thickness tear rotator cuff surgery plus I'm due for spine surgery next month. Been suffering from stenosis since October...gotta get this done. I figure we'll both be out of the woods by springtime...hopefully...
Tennessee CHICO_MARX
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