This all sounds too familiar

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Hello.  I just found your site while researching Shingles without the rash or blisters.  This is my 4th time having them. This time is different.  I have no rash but I do have the intense, undescribable burning pain. Why does Shingles like to hide under the bra on the back?  I started with a burning under my right shoulder blade about 3 weeks ago and never went away.  It just kept getting worse.  I was afraid it was my right kidney since my mom had kidney disease. I was very surprised when my doctor said it was Shingles! I didn't know you could have it without having the rash. He gave me acyclovir for 7 days, 3 times a day. I also tried the gabapentin but it really didn't help.  The pain seems to have quiet times during the day but when it starts to burn, it really becomes almost unbearable! It becomes hard to breathe only because it hurts to have my clothing touch my skin and it's amazing how much movement there is just by breathing. Crying doesn't help but you just can't help it. I've had a bad stiff neck since this all began. Not sure if it's related but it seems to be. I have to thank all of you for sharing your stories because now I don't feel so alone in my suffering. No matter how hard I try to describe the pain to someone, it just doesn't come close.  The burning, the stabbing. The frustration and sadness that comes with it can be over powering if I let it. I try to relax until the nerves calm down. I am only 57.  I wish all of you good health.

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    First, I am so sorry you are suffering. Your doctor needs to prescribe an opioid such as oxycodone 5 to 10 mg orally every 4 hours for you for the excruciating pain, TOMORROW! The gabapentin is great in trying to prevent the complication of post herpetic neuralgia, and believe it or not, might be helping you, slightly. I found that Auralgon Ear drops, which has Benzocaine, a local anesthetic does help soothe my ear drum slightly, as i get herpes zOster in my ear. I believe in an all out assault. Therefore, I would also suggest trying Lidocaine patches applied over the area...Shingles is excruciating, and physicians really have no appreciation of the agony that we go through. Change your doctor if he won't prescibe Opioids for you.

    Please let me know how you do, as I truly care, as I know how you feel and like to help.

    Merry Juliana 😊

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      Good morning Juliana,

      Thank you so much for your reply.  I'm finding more and more that I have no one to talk to about how I feel and how bad the pain actually is!  I understand that if you've never experienced it you might think we are stretching it but that is so not the case.  I am calling my doctor today to see about getting the Lidocaine patch. As you know, that pain can go from 0 to 100 in a blink of an eye.  I cannot even imagine the pure agony of having it in your ear!!!!  I would be taking a club to my head to ease the pain.  neutral  There seems to be more information online that refers to Shingles with the rash/blisters.  This is my first time not having them.  I was given 100 mg of the gabapentin but to take only one at bedtime.  I know of others that take it 3 times a day with a much higher dose. The pamphlet also said it can't be combined with the hydrocodone that I take for chronic nerve pain. I stopped the gabapentin because I basically had to choose which pain I could live with.  I'm obviously questioning if I picked the wrong pain. Of course, it doesn't help that we are to leave on a long weekend out of state to visit family. Tomorrow.  What to do, what to do.  I appreciate your kinds words and caring.  It shows that those of us that have to deal with this virus are tough cookies!  If we can get through this....we can handle just about anything!  

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      May I ask where you live? You said, out of state, so I wonder if you are American, rather than from the UK... Actually, the first time I had it, I didn't know what it was, obviously. The rash did not show on my outer ear for three weeks. I saw my allergist, who knew I was sick. The first two ENTs thought I was faking, "it was all in my head," which of course, the Zoster was. The last one was an otoneurologist, who knew I was really sick. After I saw the otoneurologist, blisters appeared on the ear drum and in the ear canal. I had my 7 year old Joshua trained to use my otoscope. It didn't dawn on me it was Zoster when he reported the blisters. When I saw the blisters on my outer ear and called the otoneurologist, he said, well, Merry, it sounds like good Ole Ramsay Hunt, Herpes Zoster Oticus. I literally wanted to cut out the right ear, it hurt so much. I had no pain medication, and was a single mother, rocking on my bed. I lost about 70% of my hearing on the auditory Nerve in the right ear due to Zoster. At least I can help others. who suffer. I would obtain a script for Opioids today and rest if another adult is willing and able to do the bulk of the work. Frankly, you can take gabapentin and hydrocodone together. You should not drive while using Opioids. Also, Famcyclonic and Valcyclovir are slightly more effective than Acyclovir. I would ask your doctor a script that you can take the hour you notice the onset of pain. The sooner you start, the less pain you will feel.

      If your family is less than sympathetic regarding the Zoster, and expect you to pitch in with work, when you can barely move due to pain, are exhausted due to the viral disease, don't go! My family understands that I just go to bed and rest for a few days.

      I live in Delaware, US3

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      you guessed right.  I am American.  I live in Ohio.  I can understand wanting to cut your ear off!   I had to look up the Ramsay Hunt syndrome.  Just one more "joy" to add to the mix.  My husband is actually very helpful and understanding even though he has no clue how bad it hurts.  I have an office job and they are aware of what's going on, too.  I tend to think that I can just fight through the pain but as you know...that isn't always possible.  I have had to lay in the oddest positions to keep pressure off of my back.  He's always asking me if I'm comfortable.  Of course I'm not but it's the best I can do at the moment.  He wishes he could help me or take away my pain.  I feel very lucky to have such an understanding husband.  I will be more than relieved when this episode comes to an end!  We, in the states, can't get the vaccination for free until we hit age 60.  Talk about a crock of manure!  Even if you have a history of it you have to pay for it yourself, out of pocket, and it runs $280. Somewhere there is an idiot on the board of insurances that has decided this makes sense.  Oh well.  Does me no good at the moment but hopefully there will be change in the future.  We can always hope, right?  
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    Hi, Honeybunny ~ just guessing ~ my latest event was in my left hip.  Because it seemed to involve the bone, deep in the muscle of my buttock, I thought that I was in for a hip replacement.  It lasted two months to the day and I could not walk for all of that time.  Then it just went away ~ one minute there, the next minute gone.  I did not have the tell-tale rash to indicate that it was shingles and no doctor will confirm it.  However, I know now, from the "bitter" feeling of the pain, that it was shingles.  From this point forward, if I get that :"bitter" pain, I will go to Emergency and flat out ask for the Valacyclovir, based on my personal experience with shingles.  Doctors who have never had shingles cannot be expected to diagnose it from our descriptions of the pain.  I agree that having it under the bra is possibly the worst place and I still have the scars from the blisters which I had with that one.  I am only3½ months away from qualifying for the vaccine, as we have to be one year free of shingles to have it.  I am nearly 78 years old and would like to live the rest of my life without the threat of shingles.  Good luck with your recovery ~ may yours last only the two months and you are already assured that there will be no scars.  Susan Jackson ~ Ontario Canada
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      HI Susan,

      I get recurrent Herpes Zoster Oticus in my right ear every three to five weeks for the last 19 years. I had the vaccine, but it did not help stop or lessen the recurrences. Just wanted to let you know. ...

      Merry Juliana 😊

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      Hi Susan.  You guessed right!  biggrin  My husband called me that when we first met, 34 years ago, and it has stayed with me.  I can understand how you might think it was your hip.  I thought mine was my kidney.  It is amazing how it can be fine one second and the next....bam!  My first time, with the blisters, was right on my spine and, of course, right under my bra!  Just adds insult to injury, doesn't it?  By the way, I have family in Ontario.  They live at Rice Lake in Hastings!  Lovely country and I sometimes take a "mental vacation" to that lake when I need to de-stress.  I've been doing that a lot over the last 4 weeks!  From what I've read on different sites, the "no blisters" version tends to be more rare.  They both are pure misery!  I'm thinking that is why others, as well as doctors, don't take it as seriously since there is nothing visable.  It makes me even more sympathetic to those with an illness you can't see.  
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    you know i just got over a bad out break it was very bad my whole right leg and by but and between my legs and under my breast so i could not wear a bra nor anything but my soft pj shorts my doctor gave me 300mg lyrica that help with the nerve pain . and i had a attack and no bisters nothing so i know how you feel stay strong
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      So sorry you had it. Was this your first episode? How much did the Lyrica help you? I know Lyrica causes weight gain in a lot of people, but if you are just using it short term, I suppose it wouldn't matter.

      thank you.

      MerryJuliana

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    Small world ~ our address is RR3, Hastings, and our 100 acre property is five miles west of Hastings village and just 1 mile from the north shore of Rice Lake.  The Ouse river runs through our land and empties into Rice Lake.  We have been here since 1968, when our twin sons were 5 years old.  I am nearly 78 years old but seem to have all my faculties ~ lucky, I guess!

    Shingles ~ my first event, spring of 2001, was on my left thigh but I did not know it was shingles.  I thought that it was poison ivy from the cat.  The blisters were really bad and required dressing several times a day.  I have no scars, though.

    The second event, starting May 31, 2002, was across my left side, from centre back, across left breast to centre front.  Again, I thought that I had scratched a black-fly bite with poison ivy on my hands ~ from the cat.  At the same time, the first week of June, 2002, I also had what I thought was heart pain and went to Emergency, where the Doctor, asfter seeing no cardiac problems on the read-out, wanted to see the rash.  Diagnosis ~ shingles ~ three days too late for the anti-viral.  Those blisters looked as though someone had fried me with a blow-torch.  That event lasted from May 31 to well into September and I still have disfiguring scars and an area of numbness from back to front.

    The third event was pain in my lower back, right side.  That time, I recognized the pain and the numb feeling on my skin in that area and went immediately to Emergency, where I insisted on the anti-viral. The pain went away and I had no rash.

    This last time ~ the left hip ~ I had heaved a great heavy pot the previous day and sincerely believed that I had injured myself by that.  It was only in retrospect, after it went away so suddenly and with no further hip pain, that I realized that it had been another shingles event ~ but no rash at all.  that is what sent me to this site ~ I wanted to know whether other people had had the pain with no rash.

     I have never had recurrent Herpes Zoster Oticus, nor have I ever heard of it.  I remember having ear-aches as a child and no pain is worse.  Is it a rash?  How do you treat it?

    This seems to be the best place to fnd our how shingles affects people in various nasty ways.  However, some people report events which surely cannot be blamed on shingles.  As informed sufferers, we can determine what is helpful and what really cannot assist us to a satisfactory resolution of our problems.

    Susan

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      My first episode was nineteen years ago in which I had excruciating right head pain. I wanted to cut out my right ear. I understood Vincent Van Gogh's cutting off his ear during his temporal lobe epilepsy. First I thought it was the worst migraine of my life, but even they don't last three weeks. My allergist knew I was sick, and sent me to two ENTs who thought it was "all in my head." Well, it was. The third was an otoneurologist who knew something was wrong. Then my 7 year old son Joshua saw blisters on my ear drum and e a r canal. I had trained him to use my otoscope. When the blisters hit my outer ear several days later on a Monday, it dawned on me to call the otoneurologist, Dr Vaughn, who said, Well, Merry, it sounds like good Ole Ramsay Hunt Syndrome-Herpes Zoster Oticus to me. I lost most of my hearing on the Auditory Nerve in my right ear.

      I usually get Zoster every 3-5 weeks now, but use Opioids, Topamax, and Auralgon, to relieve the pain as soon as it starts. That first episode I rocked in my bed in agony for there weeks. That is why I am so empathetic to shingles sufferers. The two ENTS were horrible to me.

      The amount of ignorance by physicians is abysmal. Very few know that it can reoccur and often.

      I am 63 years, now and encourage everyone to get the vaccine.

      MerryJuliana

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      Are you feeling better, Merry???  I feel for you and hope you found some relief.  To get it as often as you do must be terribly frustrating.  Modern medicine has yet to come up with a good, consistant solution for the pain.  I just keep trying different things to keep it under control.  Here's to hoping we all get over this sooner than later!
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    Hi.  I'm in New Mexico.  I've been dealing with recurrent shingles for almost 10 years and don't even want to mention where I get it!  The best thing I've found is L-lysine, an amino acid supplement.  I take 3000 mg during an outbreak and 1000 mg a day for prevention.  Google "lysine shingles" and you'll get more information, but you'll be amazed.  I was on hydrocodone and still use it occasionally, but the L-lysine really helps to shorten the duration and lessen the agony.  I had been downtight suicidal in the past, but that's no longer the case.  Good luck.
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    My symptoms started to subside after the anti viral medicine was done. The pain is still there which I knew was possible. The doctor is sending me for a CAT scan tomorrow morning. Not quite sure what he is looking for but kidney disease runs in my family. I guess I should hope that it's "just" shingles. Either way I will be ready to have this mess clear up

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