Thyroid Vs Old git syndrome

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Hi

that is Hi to anyone who reads this. The reason I write this is maybe to let people know of a journey that I have been on and am still experiencing. not travel or holidays It is a journey that is to do with my health and as I have since discovered is a journey that many people do not realise they have started and for many have gone further than I.

The health issue I speak of is Hypothyroidism commonly known as an under active Thyroid, im sure that at this point many of you will move on as this is of no interest to you why would it be you don’t have it .......Do you!!!! Well just bear with me for a couple of moments are you or have you experienced any of the following combinations of these symptoms. Or does the profile fit with your husband or your wife…you know the person you are on the verge of leaving as they have been such a miserable unpleasant git for so long now, the person who seems to have just given up and spends all day slumped in an arm chair with no enthusiasm for life. …the person who, not that long back used to be fun and out going….who used to think of the bedroom as a place to have fun rather than have 12 hours sleep……well Mcduff read on.

Uncomfortably heavy during or since childhood

Quiet and shy child

Weight gain after first period, pregnancy, miscarriage, abortion, menopause or starvation diets

Low energy, fatigue, lethargy, need lots of sleep (8 hours or more) and slow to get going in the morning

Tendency to feel cold especially in hands and feet

Tendency to significant weight gain and difficulty in losing weight

Depression

Low blood pressure and heart rate and high cholesterol levels

Menopausal problems including severe cramping, early and late onset.

Low sex drive

Poor concentration and memory

Swollen eyelids, face, general water retention

Thinning and loss of hair

Tendency to low body temperature

Headaches (including migraines)

Infertility and impotence

Weak and brittle nails

Goitre – enlarged, swollen and lumpy thyroid

Anaemia

Adult acne

Hypoglycaemia

Constipation

Dry, coarse or thick skin

Nervousness, anxiety and panicky

Well if you have please read on.

My story is straight forward i am a typical bloke. As a young man I served in the army and then I became a commercial Diver diving both in and around the British coast. Then in 1987 I became a police officer and have remained one since.

I have as you can see an active sort of guy, as a police officer I have undertaken various roles around London and gained a wife and three kids and everything has been fine.

5 years ago my wife became unwell and has suffered from scoliosis and undergone various operations on her spine. Again most of this I took in my stride.

I was approaching 50, 3 young children and a disabled wife. Well of course I started to feel the strain I was what as a young man I would call suffering from “old git syndrome”. I was slowing up I felt unwell, at times I would feel very low and all the other symptoms of which I had most were to do with getting old!!!! .....weren’t they??? Little did I know that I was suffering from an under active thyroid and it was just getting worse. Looking back a lot of things make sense now. The days that I would go out with the kids but come back early because I was puffed out, Falling asleep in front of the telly, turning up the heating. Pins and needles in my hands, gaining weight feeling fed up…….yes sir I was settling into the old git syndrome very well…..this was getting old …wasn’t it!!!.

Well things just got worse until I just felt as if my body was just shutting down. I thought it could be the stress of the job, the kids, the wife, still someone mentioned diabetes and the fact that I smoked… well I gave up the smoking. Still felt like crap. I was forcing myself to do everything. In fact everything was just too much. Friends started to comment that I was looking ill. My kids were telling me that I was no fun. My wife moaned that I was always snapping at her and the kids.

Then I had routine cholesterol check done by the nurse. Well it was of the scale. It should have been something like 5 and mine was 10.6. I was called into see the doc who was concerned about my cholesterol and checked for diabetes seeing as I had mentioned it. Why not check straight away for the under active thyroid???? Well this complaint is seen in about 1 in every 50 woman and only in about 1 in every 1000 men so for the doc it was not the first thing that sprang to mind plus of course I had not told her that I was suffering from all these different symptoms….after all it was only “Old git syndrome”. This is how you were supposed to feel as you got older….wasn’t it!!???. After all my brothers were always telling me about their aches and pains. So I must just be the wimp of the family.

Anyhow I did mention that I felt quite bad and some more blood was taken and sent off. Meanwhile I continued to go to work and had decided that if this is what happens as you get older well you can poke it.

By the time I went back to the doc for the result I was on my chin strap and she told me that I was suffering from a condition called Hypothyroidism commonly known as an under active Thyroid. And indeed it was quite bad; also that it had also affected my kidneys as the levels were so low.

The relief I felt when I realised that there was actually a reason for how I had been feeling was overwhelming and I hardly listened to what else she said all I knew is that I had to take some pills and I would get better.

So straight out of the surgery and into the pharmacy and hey presto I’ve got some pills. She had tried to sign me off sick, but hey what for, a couple of pills and I would be back to normal……NOT.

When I got home I went on the net and looked up as much as I could about this complaint. I read how I would have to have my levels slowly brought back up over the coming months and how it would be gradual

Surly not me I would be fine straight away so the next morning I dutifully took my medication, ( 50 micrograms of Levothyroxine) and off to work I went. ( 9 hours later) I was sat at a service station on my way home having had to rest as I felt so bad that I could not drive any further. Still once the drug kicks in. I should be just fine….shouldn’t I.

I read more about the condition and the fact that I would have to take the medication for life but the upside was that I was one of the conditions that made you exempt from paying. Hmmmm maybe this is not so straight forward as I thought. Still big strong policeman like me ex squadie stroke Diver I would cope better that most……surly.

At work I was more than happy to talk about how there was in fact something wrong with me and it wasn’t just because I was a miserable old git, and as is always the case having never heard of the complaint before every other person seemed to know of a relative who had had it and was taking the same medicine. In fact one of the woman I had worked for years came up and told me that she had been diagnosed some years before and was fine now. And that taking the pills every day was no bother. Also the fact that she was only took about a year to get back to normal……a year surly not. any day now the drug would kick in and I would be back to normal.

1 week later I am sat in the surgery I can hardly move as I have given up the will to live and I have never felt so poorly in my life. The doc takes one look and signs me off sick and tells me that if I don’t accept how poorly and run down I was I would end up in hospital and put myself at risk of a heart attack.

I WENT HOME AND WENT TO BED. AND STAYED THERE FOR 3 DAYS

On the third day I actually felt a bit better and got up. I had accepted that I would have to take things easier and let things go by the way at home, I had to concentrate on my health. After another 2 weeks I had much improved and I just felt like crap rather that hoping life would end. I went for my next blood test and a week later I saw the doc. Yep there had been an improvement and I was now to increase my medication….great said I what do I take now 200 micrograms…..no way says she, I was to increase by only 50 micrograms and start taking 100 per day. Maybe in another 5 weeks would I be able to increase the dose again. “But doc surly a big strong ruffty tuffty copper like me could take more that”…….she asked me if my children understood what a heart attack was and what that would do to dad….I took the hint and again slapped myself back to reality. So I am plodding on with my 100 micrograms per day taken in the morning on an empty stomach. Taken with only water as milk could absorb some of the benefits…..Im learning. My next stop apparently is to see a specialist …just to double check things so that’s my next move. I have stored up all my questions for the consultant and will share anything with you after I’ve been. I will keep this as a diary and let those who have any interest share my recovery.

In the mean time if you know of someone who has this ailment be kind to them as I know how ill the feel. And believe me they are not just being miserable sods suffering from the dreaded “old git syndrome”.

The thyroid gland is a butterfly-shaped organ situated on the front of the neck that secretes two hormones, thyroxine (also known as T4) and triiodothyronine (called T3), that are important in the control of metabolism. Hypothyroidism is a condition in which the thyroid gland does not produce adequate levels of these critical hormones.

Hypothyroidism is very common and is estimated to affect 3-5% of the adult population. It is more common in women than in men, and the risk of developing hypothyroidism increases with advancing age.

Hypothyroidism is most commonly a result of an autoimmune condition known as Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, in which the body’s own immune cells attack and destroy the thyroid gland. Since the activity of the thyroid gland is controlled by other hormones from the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus of the brain, defects in these areas can also cause underactivity of the thyroid gland. Previous surgeries on the thyroid or a history of irradiation to the neck are other causes of hypothyroidism.

Symptoms of hypothyroidism can be mild or severe, but are often very subtle. People with a mild form of the condition may not have any symptoms at all. The most serious form of hypothyroidism is called myxedema, which can lead to coma and even death. An underactive thyroid gland affects all organs and functions within the body, leading to both physical and emotional symptoms. Some of the most common symptoms of hypothyroidism in adults are:

Tiredness and weakness; feeling “run down”

Weight gain or difficulty losing weight

Constipation

Depression

Thinning or brittleness of the hair or nails

Cold intolerance

Sleepiness

Memory loss

Decreased libido

Muscle aches and pains

Those affected by more advanced cases of hypothyroidism may notice dryness or thickening of the skin; slow speech; abnormal menstrual cycles; puffiness of the face, hands, or feet; and decreased capacity for taste and smell.

If you are experiencing symptoms of hypothyroidism, your doctor can order simple blood tests to diagnose the condition. An underactive thyroid gland is in most cases easily and completely treated by daily administration of thyroid hormones in tablet form.

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  • Posted

    Hi Petal,

    Again forgive me, as I am no expert and never will claim to be so anything I tell you please satisfy yourself that it is the correct thing for you..

    I know that some people can take over a year to get the levels right. I have friends that are on 250mg and some on 275mg, my levels were way up when I was diagnosed over 200. That was 4 months ago and my last test was 53. I am on 150 mg and I suspect that will be put up to 200 next week. As I have said just because your levels are 12.3 and mine are 53 does not mean I feel worse than you. When diagnosed , on a scale of 1 – 10 on the Crapometer scale I was 10, I am about 4 now.

    This complaint attacks the individual that is why we have to adjust things for our own needs several things you can look at.

    1)Are you eating the right things to support your body such as fresh fruit especially apples, green peppers beetroot watercress kelp Seaweed for their rich iodine content coconut juice Juices: Carrot, Parsley and Celery. Prunes and nuts Poultry. Chlorophyll rich green Teas and herbal tea extracts. Natural sources Vitamin E, for their properties of preventing damage from environmental pollutants in air, water and food .crucial factors. etc. find out what the good food is.

    2)Are you eating the bad stuff, goitoids such as cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, broccoli, turnips, rutabaga, mustard greens, kale, spinach, Brussels sprouts, peaches, pears, strawberries, and radishes cauliflower, millet, and African cassava.

    3)Take your meds in the morning with a full cup of water and don’t eat or drink anything else for an hour

    4)Don’t have any iron tablets or vitamin supplements or calcium tablets in the morning take them late afternoon.

    5)If you are taking meds for your cholesterol levels some can react against the thyroxine.

    6)Some people who cant get their levels right get there docs to medicate with thyroxine combined with T3 meds.

    7)Some people look at natural thyroid medicine such as Armour….be careful here as there is allot of debate as to the rights and wrongs of this.

    8)Ask about your renal glands, could they be suffering from fatigue, eat food that supports your renal gland, food that has selenium such as Brazil nuts which are the richest ordinary dietary source

    9)Is the thyroxine clashing with other drugs http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/thyroxine.htm

    In short Google this to death find out all you can, don’t be quite about it let everyone know how sh*te you feel, you know just like a man would do……. I have been writing down my thoughts in a blog http://jackfrost56.blogspot.com/

    Don’t think anyone actually reads it but I found it very cathartic. So petal start your own blog and write down your journey from the start it will help you put things right in your head.

    Let me know how you get on, believe me there are loads of us out there in the same boat. Help yourself, help your doctor to help you and remember

    Knowledge is power

  • Posted

    HI there

    I have been told I may have arthritis, but as my underactive thyroid test had changed and was going to overactive, my thyroxine had to be changed accordingly, from 175 to 150...... I have elevated SED rate at 32 I have protein in my water and I am anemic but when I went to see the rhuemotologist she said as my thyroid function test had altered she didnt diagnose me as she said because the thyroid had altered this would alter my other results?????How can this be????

    SES

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    Hi i have my own ideas but it would be wrong of me to view them as i am not quaified to give advice...on direct medical matters. The advice I can give you is firstly go back to your doc and insist that everything is explained. second evrything you want to know is out there on the internet....i have said Knowledge is power. look at each of your symptoms and help your doc to help you get better. sorry if i haven' t helped :sorry:
  • Posted

    HI there

    Thanks for your reply, I will just have to grim and bare things as I went to the doctor last thursday and I asked questions? I think until something distinctively shows up in my blood I will not get answers....... I will just have wait!!!!!!

    Regards

    SES

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    dont wait go out and get the answers research everything ..dont sit back and wait.
  • Posted

    Hi there Jack

    I have had my eyes tested today and the optician said I have low tear break up ...in other words dry eye and as I suspect I have Rheumatoid Arthritis which is generally linked to underactive thyroid ( I have read) additional add ons to this other autoimmune disease is Sjogren's Syndrome, as I have a cracked tongue also So I am investigating and will point this out to my doctor on Thursday!!

    Thanks for reading this.

    SES

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    Hi there just to say my doctor has told me to ignore the rhuemotologist and he has put me on some new anti inflammatries and they are wonderful ........meloxicam, I am taking these 7.5mp twice a day with my tramadol and I feel like I did over a year ago? These tablets are for Rhuematoid arthrits, Osteoarthritis or ankylosing spondylitis?????? I cant wait to tell my GP I am actually having quality time with my son too :D

    Regards

    SES

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    Knowledge is power the answers are all out there. my levels are now normal and i feel soooooo much better but i have some things to sort out...the next thing now is my weight which i am going to start on at the end of Oct...anyone who needs answers ....read everything you can and help your doc to help you..cause they aint going to do it for you.
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    Hi Jack

    Thanks for your reply, yeah now I am out of pain for the moment I think I have more time to focus if you know what I mean especially now I haven't got the headaches as they were driving me mad (about 6weeks continuous) I am going to put all my new findings together and compare notes I think and show my doctor my comparisons as the medication he has prescribed me for three forms of arthritis and so I will present my facts to him and hopefully he \"may\" give me a proper diagnosis????????

    Regards

    Sara

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    Hi there Jack

    You say Knowledge is power!!!!

    I am going to show a few pointers I have found.... My doctor has gave me tablets Meloxicam and since finding that I may have one of three of the arthritis involved in this medication well I have found out that Ankylosing spondylosis has some characteristics.......

    http://www.nass.co.uk/questions.htm

    and as I have put on another thread .......

    How can I be sure I have AS?

    If you have the classic symptoms of AS, your GP will look at your posture to see if the lumbar spine is losing the forward curve and beginning to flatten out. If so, the GP will probably refer you to a rheumatologist who will study X-rays of your spine and look for characteristic changes to the joints in the lower back. Unlike other rheumatic conditions, blood tests are not very helpful for diagnosing AS.

    I have lost the curvature of my spine and this was shown on my x-rays so i am going to point this out to my GP ......so fingers crossed I may get a diagnosis?????????

    Regards

    SES

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    hi there Jack I have my blood results as I was snet to a Rhumatologist and they are as follows:.........

    FBC - HB 11.8 units g/dL range (12.0-15.0) Stat which is LO

    Haematocrit - 34.3% (36-46) LO

    Lymphocyte count 1.3 10*9/L (1.5-4.0) which is LO

    WBC 4.2 10*9/L (3.4-11) NORMAL

    other tests in this catergory were ok

    Erythrocyte sedementation count 32mm (1-12) which is HI

    Liver function test all came back normal apart from:-

    Serum Gamma 159iu/L (<42) HI

    As my thyroid function test had alteres my medication has been decreased from 175mcg to 150mcg:

    Serum TSH 0.20mu/L (0.36-4.1)

    Serum T4 level 27.2 pmol/L (11.2-26.0)

    and as you can see no Rhuematoid factor was taken or HLA-B27 so how can this so called Rhuematologist make a diagnosis????

    The Rhumatologist just took it as I had had a water infection and my Thyroid function had altered she didn't care to look further as she didn't even have my medical file so didnt look at my x-rays and MRI to see I have ddd and the spacing has narrowed in my hip bones????

    Kind Regards

    SES

    :roll:

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    SES

    Don’t get to frustrated, part of your tests may not show what it is ... but it is important to see what it isn’t...bit by bit if you do this you will have narrowed it down to what is left.....and that will be the problem...I can see by your post you have been finding out about levels and readings...that’s great....also don’t worry about what other people have...say....do...you have to find out what is right for you and get treatment that is tailored to your needs...don’t stop....have you been finding out about food and what is good and what is not....find out how to support all your glands by the right diet...I have found out a lot ....things like selenium...how important it is and where I can find it naturally...liver...brazil nuts...you sound quite empowered on your post so keep it up...you know now that you have to get the medical practitioners to help you to get better, in turn they have to listen to the patient because they will find out so much that they have no time to do. Come back and let me know how it is...as for me i am going for physio for two weeks and then I am going to lose a shed load of weight....

    Knowledge is power

  • Posted

    Hi there Jack

    To be honest with you I haven't got much faith in the NHS as I have been to the Pain Clinic, he said as he had a broken Coaxic he didn't need medication, and basically said there was nothing wrong with me and yet he put me on Gabepentin for neurpathic pain???? as with the other specialist I saw the rhuemotologist she said I have mechanical back strain and I am unfortunate to have had it this long!!!! :doctor:

    I have had congenital hip when born and I have scans to show that I have a small pelvis and as I had x-rays this year the spacing has narrowed too and whilst I was pregnant with my last child I had Pubis dysfunction which I would say this is all linked!!!! Well sorry to go on and on but it is really annoying me that theses so called professionals are not listening to me I also have an appointment with the physio, finally this Wednesday of next week and as they have given me a chart to put where my pain is hopefully as it will be documented and put into my medical file I am hoping the pieces of the jigsaw may start to come together!!! I will also point out what I have just mentioned about my hip problems!!! :doh:

    Thank you so much for your reply :cheers:

    Kind Regards

    SES

  • Posted

    Hi there Jack

    I went to see the Physio and he said I have Arthritis of the hips and I have been given a crutches to walk with is to help rest my hips.......I just wondering now what happens from here is that a diagnosis as the Rhuemtologist said I had mechanical back strain, and I told my Physio this and he said there is no issues with my back at the moment as he can see I have problems with my hips !!!!!! At least someone is listening to me!!!! How can the Physio see things differently to the RHuemo?

    Regards

    SES

    :cupid:

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    Just to let everyone know who has an under active thyroid.... I have had one for some 14 years. I have been on thyroxine all that time ranging from 250mg to 100mg now I am back on 225mg from 100mg.. You may ask why, well it may seem strange to a lot of taker of levothyroxine users but did you no each company brand has a differant amount of of levothryroxine in, I am not talking about the mg, I am talking about the tablet as a whole. Each brand can be good quailty or not so good, I have just had a major discussion with my G.P, My skin is in a right mess, my joints in such pain I need walking sticks (2), I can't sleep, moody, memory well forget that. I really got fed up with the whole shooting match, now I am being sent for an urgent appointment, to an Endorcrine Surgery . Reason up until very recently my blood tests which I have every 3mths have been quite normal, then boom, they have gone mad, the amount of levothyroxine in my blocd cannot be found. First words out of my G.P. mouth ..... are you taking your tablets..........Well be honest ........ I have gained weight, loss sleep, memory gone out of the window etc., and I am taking 225mg of levothyroxine daily, not a small amount, but its not in my system. So after having ago back at my G.P, he agreed Yes folks he agreed, that differant brands do give differant results and he told me to go to a differant chemist so i could get a differant brand...... watch this space, even when taken the recommend dose, your system even if its been taking for years like mine, my not be absorping it the way it should. We are not the problem, why won't the experts lisson to the ones, who have got the T shirt for this problem US.

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