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Hi All,

I just thought I would let you know that I have found out some interesting information. If Kings College agree to surgery, from that point on they have twenty weeks in which to operate. That covers non-urgent cases too. They have no specific guidelines for urgent cases but aim to do them in twelve weeks. The clock starts from the second the surgeon utters the words that you need surgery.

The national guideline is 26 weeks. Kings just aim to do it quicker! Ho! Ho! The good news is that if they don't operate in 26 weeks from the surgeon telling you that you need surgery then you can have the choice of going private on the NHS.

For those of you that have been waiting a long time, challange them with these facts. Play them at their own game, quote back their own official guidelines. In my case it is quite simple as from the date I was referred to Kings College they are the only people now involved in my care. I appreciate it is harder if your GP and possibly a referring hospital are involved too. But once the surgeon/consultant has uttered those words, the clock starts ticking........don't be fobbed off!!!

Trulyfedup

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    hi tfu

    i knew there were time limits involved but couldnt find exactly what they would involved. i was told feb 27 that i needed surgery thats 8 months now. BUT i had to get transfered to another hospital for the actual procedure so dont know where i stand any ideas, GAIL

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    p.s tfu

    where can i find the info on waiting times? and i forgot to mention i was put on the \"urgent\" list!!! gail

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    hi you two!!! and everyone else :ok:

    my consultant told me i need an op on 17th february! does that count? :huh:

    my neurosurgeon told me on 24th august i need surgery~ damn thats only 8 1/2 weeks ago!! :wah: so i have 12 weeks to go ! OMG!!! that will be 2008!!!!! that is absolutely disgusting!!!!

    but [b:b6289a0d6a]IF KINGS HAD NOT HAVE LOST ME IN THE FIRST PLACE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD IT DONE NOW!!!!

    [/b:b6289a0d6a]cor their very clever aren't they~ pretend to lose someone and it gives them a bit more time!!! :steam:

    :ta: trulyfedup,

    :rose: mandy :rose:

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    Hi,

    The information came to me from Kings College in a formal reply to my complaint.

    I checked it out on the NHS CHoices website. This I find to be an absolutely horrible website, really badly designed. BUt if you go in and search for waiting times it will bring up a list. You will also see that no patient is supposed to wait more than half an hour past their appointment time in outpatients. Do you think anybody has told the NHS staff that!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    As I understand it the 26 week clock starts from the surgeon/consultant at the hospital where the operation is to be carried out, agreeing to operate. It doesn't apply to the Consultant at the referring hospital, even if though they forward you on specifically for an operation.

    I thought you may like to know that Kings College, see GP referrals within 13 weeks (8 for more urgent cases) but here is the crunch folks.......there is no time limit for appointments for consultant to consultant referrals from another hospital. How bad is that. Had I known I would have got the GP to write to Kings rather than the Consultant at Orpington. Have you ever heard anything so unfair and ridiculous???? So the quickest route to the surgeon isn't though another hospital consultant. KIngs stated in their letter they can take up to 6 months to allocate appointments to patients coming from other hospitals, less than half the time of a GP referral. And as we all know, once the referring consultant refers you on to KIngs (or anywhere) you are off their list and they have no further interest.

    It's called the numbers game and how the NHS fiddles the figures of patient waiting times!

    :?: :!: :?: :!:

    Creative accounting at it's best. So now we all know.....

    Best wishes

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    I did of course mean to say......[b:aa21126d92]more [/b:aa21126d92]than double the time of a GP referral.

    Oops sorry

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    thanks tfu for your time and effort

    i have at last found the site i need for the goverment guidelines here in wales and it goes through the welsh assembly thats why i couldnt find anything on the national goverment sites for wales. and it looks like your right about the referal times thats why they said to me it could be next march before my surgery as the guidelines here in wales is 8 mths from going on surgeons list !!!!!!! that will make it 2yrs and 5 mths since i injured myself. as you said creative accounting on the statistics, but surely the doctors know about the times??? why on earth wasnt i refered stright to a neurosurgeon? oh it makes me so mad i can kiss goodbye to my job as i have a assesment in dec. thanks again for the feedback. take care gail

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    Gail,

    It may be worth checking out the hospital's guidelines. As I say in England the national waiting time is 26 weeks, but Kings own target is within 20 weeks. It may be your local hospital in Wales has a shorter target time as well. If by chance it is 20 weeks that would explain why they have picked out of the pile now and rang you up with a view to sorting out a date.

    This will give you a laugh......are you ready?????

    I saw the consultant on 19 July. My op is booked for 28 November. Armed with a diary, I thought I'd check out if they have exceeded their guidelines. Nope! My op is booked for the very last day of the nineteenth week!!!!! As their target is within 20 weeks....... Do you think they enploy someone just to work out the very last calendar date they can get away with operating on someone. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!!!!

    :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:

    Have a good day!!!

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    hi tfu

    yeh inwales the time limit is 8 mths BUT thats for routine so havent a clue where that leaves me????im on the urgent list (does it make a diffrence) and as for asking what their time limit is well i,ve been given so many diffrant stories about that one as you,ll see over my last postings i just about give up, i am really worried though of the possibility of having permanant nerve damage after all this time. i relly hope your surgery goes well for you and your on the road to recovery very soon. gail

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    Hi Gail,

    Kings College have no separate aims or guidelines for urgent cases except that they say they try to operate in 8-12 weeks. You can't hold them to that though or else they just revert back to the 20 week storyline. They just keep moving the goalposts!!! The only one written in stone, so to speak is the 26 week national guidelines. Hit 'em with that and they have nowhere to run!

    I too share your concern about permanent nerve damage. They talk about how the op will help the pain, but I am more concerned about the numbness. They go very quiet when I want to talk about that. I get the feeling that any improvement will be slight as once the nerve endings die that is it. Finished. As my numbness got progressively worse, I am really cross about that, because it means that had they operated sooner there would have been hope for them to repair. Funny, up until this year I had never given a minutes thought to the nerve endings in my foot/leg, but now I feel strangely protective of them, like I need to fight this battle on THEIR behalf. Maybe I've just had too many opiate tabs today!!!!!!

    Best wishes

    TFU

    Best wishes

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