Tramadol is not evil.
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Tramadol does not have any malicious intent to get you 'hooked' or 'addicted'.
Tramadol provides a reliable source of relief to many pain sufferers and patients with other medical problems. The VARIABLE in all this ... is the individual patient, everyone's body makeup is different and so will react and produce different side effects with every drug they take. The only way to find out how your body will react is to give the prescribed drug a try, preferably for a couple weeks if this will be a long-term drug and if it doesn't suit you talk to your doctor. They most likely can find an alternative that will suit you. That's one of the reasons why there are so many drugs that do the same thing.
As for not knowing the possibilities of what might happen - there's only two people you can blame, one - your doctor for not giving you some important facts and two - yourself for not researching your prescription online.
Personally I think doctors even on the NHS should take more time to spell out the common effects and if it can be addictive but I do understand that they don't usually have the time. This isn't going to change anytime soon though, so...
There is a plethora of information online, on any prescription drug and it will tell you everything you need to know before you take it. Some websites, like drugs.com, even have an Interactions Checker which you can input all your medications into and check if they will react badly. It's very cool and I even was able to bring a bad mix up to my doctor who was able to clarify that the short amount of time I was taking the new drug would be ok with my regular prescription.
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Tramadol is a synthetic (man made) opiate. It does not mix well with natural opiates such as cocodamol as one person was complaining about in this forum. Always check with your doctor if you feel uncomfortable and always take prescriptions as advised. If you start mixing things up and not understanding the chemistry behind it then what do you expect?
COMMON SIDE EFFECTS: Constipation; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; headache; increased sweating; indigestion; mild itching; nausea; trouble sleeping; vomiting; weakness. Constipation seems to be the most common and would advise a gentle laxative.
If you have any SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS (see following) then go to A&E or see the doctor the next day depending on how bad it is, stop taking the Tramadol until you can get medical advice:Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); burning, numbness, or tingling; chest pain; confusion; difficult or painful urination; disorientation; excessive sweating; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; fever; hallucinations; loss of coordination; mood or mental changes (eg, depression, agitation); red, blistered, swollen, or peeling skin; seizures; severe dizziness or light-headedness; severe nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea; severe or persistent headache; slow or shallow breathing; suicidal thoughts or behaviors; tremor; vision problems; wheezing.
I DON'T WANT TO BECOME ADDICTED: Well most people don't. If your condition will be temporary then consider asking for Codeine (a natural opiate) which doesn't work as well but will help relieve some of the pain. Always take paracetamol at the same time you take any opiate, my NHS doctors have always told me this, saying that they both work better together than just the opiate alone and in my experience this is true. Also when you feel the pain is minimal to moderate, try taking just paracetamol and skipping a dose of your opiate when possible. Once you do this more often than not you can either realize that you can live with minimal pain or only take the opiate sporadically as needed.
If you have a long term condition like me, then I'll tell you what my doctor in the US told me when I told her I didn't want to become addicted. First, she said, you're only an addict if you're taking the drug to get a high, otherwise you're just dependent. Then she told me I can either take the drug to alleviate the pain and get some normal things done on a daily basis or don't take it and live with a pain that will most likely prevent me from leaving my bed and become agitated and irritated with everything and everyone because of my relentless pain. She said there is no shame in become dependent and that when the time came to stop there would be a safe period of weaning the drug and a plan for the withdrawal. I added that most NHS doctors are ambivalent towards things like this and she said, then demand it. I did and I was helped, no NHS doctor ever judged me for being dependent and it does seem like they deal with this often. They are not as organised as in the U.S. where you can get a 'kick pack' which contains valium, supplements and many useful tips but my NHS doctor did prescribe me valium for 4 days which was enough to get over the 'hump' and I researched and procured the other supplements and tips I needed online.
WHY YOU BECOME DEPENDENT: In plain speak, Tramadol does the job of making your body feel good and does it so well that it relieves the overabundant amount of pain your going through because of your medical condition. Once your body realizes it doesn't have to do this job anymore, it will stop, that's when your body has become 'dependent'. When you stop taking the Tramadol and your body hasn't yet taken it's 'job' back, you feel withdrawal symptoms because there is nothing making you feel good. The withdrawal will end once your body takes back it's normal job of releasing the chemicals which make you feel good.
HOW TO OVERCOME THE WITHDRAWAL PERIOD: If you have become dependent Tramadol and you most likely have if you've been taking it for a long time, it's almost always best to consult with your doctor about a withdrawal plan. They can help give you a plan to wean the drug and also be there for when you need muscle relaxers if you need them once you stop the drug. If they are not helpful, see another doctor, rinse and repeat (especially if you're on NHS!).
Even better - What you can do is research all this on the internet but I will include this one link because I felt it was the one who helped me the most when I went through it. Not just the info but the people who commented and gave support. There are many forums that will do the same thing, find one which has active supportive members (and a plan you feel comfortable with) and I promise you will feel better about being able to get feedback from people who have felt what you are going through. Actually I'm going to link the process I used for withdrawal, it's from the same site and you can explore that further if you want or just Google 'opiate withdrawal forum' for support and plans.
http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/alternative-medicine/thomas-recipe-opiate-detox
Oh and I should also warn that you will come across a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about, but you should be able to spot them pretty quick,. Just ignore them, find good info and support, that's the best thing to do.
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I hope this is more helpful than not. I'm not sure why people come here to complain about a drug. The drug has been well tested and it's not dangerous. However being ill-informed about a drug, how you take it and the possibilities ...well that certainly can be.
Best of wishes to everyone struggling with their conditions, keep looking towards the future! Ronni <3>3>
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evergreen
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morphix
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Perhaps some proper wider clinical trials should be carried out with Tramadol to see how it affects, especially people on it longer-term. I don't think enough were done on the "other" effects people report or long-term usage, they focused on short-term usage pain-relief effects.
evergreen
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Mollymops
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I'm not sure if drowsy is the right word to use - it's a difficult sensation to describe but actually, now you come to mention it, slightly similar to the effect caffeine has on me - I certainly don't feel bright and zingy and full of energy but instead have an almost thick/drowsy feeling head but at the same time totally unable to sleep - no matter how tired I am. It's a really conflicting feeling I suppose but ultimately is preferable to being in pain all night.
You're definitely right with the anti-depressant effect though - I was completely out of it for about the first 3 days, even to the extent of slightly slurring my words, which my husband found quite amusing!
carlye01
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evergreen
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carlye01
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zuber06221 carlye01
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morphix
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400mg is a very high dose, and 2 years is a long time, I feel for you and can understand your concerns over withdrawals. I have battled myself for many many years to get off Tramadol and have lapsed many times too. My dosage was low though so my withdrawals were very minor compared to some peoples and I had no problem really stopping, it was more the psychological need to take it, and the energising effect it gave me, I came to depend on.
Anyway, coming back to your own situation.. you say you have 30 tablets left and want to come off them.. I'm not sure if that will be enough, because of how long you have been on them and the high dose, but it might be possible, it depends how you react to reducing the dose so quickly.
This would be a 7 day taper, requiring 28 tablets (tablets shown in brackets):
350 (7)
300 (6)
250 (5)
200 (4)
150 (3)
100 (2)
50 (1)
As you can see, that only leaves 2 tablets and so you could probably only extend 100-50mg level a day or two, or taper below 50mg. I guess it depends how you feel at each level. I would imagine 7 days would be far too quick though and you would need to be thinking in terms of weeks or maybe even months, and gradually going down 50mg, staying at that level a week, dropping another 50mg the next week, and so on...
If you're feeling brave, why not try halving your normal 400mg dose and see how you feel? You can always increase it if you feel really bad, but if you feel ok, great. You can stay at 200mg and taper down over a longer period then with your remaining tablets.
Tramadol has a fairly long half-life so it may take a 2-3 days before withdrawals really kick in, sometimes longer..Whatever you do, don't suddenly stop completely from a high dose or let yourself run out.
You need to plan a proper taper dosage regime carefully and try to stick with it, that aims to get you down to 50mg and maybe even lower doses if necessary..(I ended up taking 5-10mg doses) until you feel comfortable stopping without any bad withdrawal. Perhaps you should discuss with your GP your concerns, and see if they're willing to work out a taper regime for you and give you enough prescription, if you haven't already?
Some GP's just don't seem fully clued up on how bad the withdrawals can be for some people on Tramadol, but you can avoid them if you taper off it gradually. Certainly having your Klonopin should help if you do experience withdrawals towards the end, one of the common ones is feeling very restless, and restless legs, also anxiety and insomnia, so that should help relax you,
Just one more thought.. if you're taking these for pain, what pain med are you going to substitute with? You will need to factor that into your taper regime, if you're suffering pain, like how much of the new painkiller you take to replace what you're losing from Tramadol, if you experience pain?
morphix
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Totally agree with evergreen and his comment about GP's being complacent about Tramadol, its because it was marketed as a non-habit forming alternative to opiates, but its well established that it is addictive and does have all the classic opiate withdrawal symptoms (at high dose over extended period) plus the added complication of serotonin effects on brain chemistry, so really its like quitting an anti-depressant AND a painkiller.
morphix
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I've only been on them a few days, but some people describe them as Tramadol-lite, but they're more potent than Paracetamol. I find they're quite good painkillers, and don't seem to have the speedy/wired effect like Tramadol has.
This is quite a novel painkiller with a different mode of action that reduces the pain signal to brain. It's available on the NHS, so maybe worth a try...not sure why more GP's don't prescribe these as a first choice in place of opiates and Tramadol?
steve_1
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Other pain killers? I tried Morphine once in desperation, never again.
The worst side effect with Tramadol I find, is the loss of sensation in the nether regions, could be embarrassing if I didn't remember to go to the toilet because I don't get that bursting feeling until it's too late.
cooper19
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I take up to 200 mg of tramadol a day, for pain. If I go a day without it, I get pretty intense anxiety and my legs feel jumpy and I get sweaty. Now I will take at least 50 or 100 mg / day on my "off" days - so I don't suffer. My arthritis pain is so bad that tramadol really makes mobility possible, so I don't have a problem with being dependent on it. I prefer that to the alternative. It is a quality of life issue for me.
To the sleeping issue on tramadol - I'm definitely in the can't sleep on tramadol category. It wires me (slightly), yet helps me tremendously with my anxiety issues. I think because it elevates my mood (just enough - not too much) - which is also a major benefit, because I am a whole lot nicer and more positive on tramadol. However, i can't take it after about 2 pm, or I won't be able to sleep.
To the person who can't understand why people would take this recreationally - that's easy - everyone reacts so differently to the same drug. I would guess that you are probably a pretty happy person naturally. Well, a lot of people aren't - so feeling something different, or taking a drug that makes you happier - that obviously has recreational benefit. For people with issues - feeling anything other than how they naturally feel is a potential for recreational drug use.
Steve1 - I don't think tramadol is truly an opiod - it is a synthetic (that is why it's not a scheduled drug in my country - can't get vicodin, but can get tramadol) - however, it does have have opiod-like qualities. Maybe morphix can comment on that.
Oh - and your comment about the bladder is right as I also have painful bladder syndrome and this drug is a godsend for that. I can actually go a whole 3 hours in between pee breaks - which would be unheard of without it (half hour tops without it - it's awful).
Thank you, tramadol for making my life much more livable.
carlye01
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carlye01
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