Urolift - Review

according to tom's reasoning, the type of bacteria in ur bladder seems can not be killed by lower PH urine. perhaps, u may want to check the urine pH just to be sure it is low enough.

Assuming tom's explanation of UTI is correct, why not do two experiments;

1. bacteria count vs urine pH
2. bacteria count vs different type antibiotic

this will be done outside of the body and they won't hurt the UTI patient

according to tom's explanation of UTI, UTI seems to be a simple biochemistry problem.

there is a member his name is Gene. he seems to be an expert in this sort of thing. he may be able to come up with some good ideas to try.

"Although vitamin C has long been suggested as a supplement to prevent UTIs, there have been relatively few studies looking at its effectiveness. The studies that do exist found that decreasing the pH of urine to a level of 5.5 or lower effectively kills E. coli bacteria. However, at the doses used in the trials, between two and four grams per day, the vitamin C was not found to effectively lower the pH to this level of acidity, and therefore was not effective in killing the bacteria. The research on this topic does not support the use of high-dose vitamin C for the prevention of urinary tract infections.

Further studies could be done to determine whether even higher doses of the vitamin may be useful for UTIs, but the risk of adverse effects at such doses may be greater than the potential benefits."

Save your money on Vitamin C. Hank

" but the risk of adverse effects at such doses may be greater than the potential benefits."

: just wondering what are the adverse effects.

a 5.5pH will kill Ecoli, the common bacteria that cause UTI,. So tom's assertion is correct as he was able to lower his urine to 5pH. we have to agree that he has succeeded in curing his UTI based on science.

for a given dosage of vit C, is it possible that how much vit C will be in the urine is different from person to person?

checking pH seems easy to do and vit C is so cheap, it seems worth a try. taking vit C for a short period does not seem to post danger. not sure if u agree.

Vit C for UTIs ???

" The urinary tract is one of the most common sites of bacterial infections in humans. Numerous bacterial organisms may be the cause of urinary tract infections, but the most common pathogen is E. coli, which is responsible for roughly 80% of cases of UTI. A variety of antibiotics are used for the prevention and treatment of urinary tract infections, and a growing concern is the increasing

resistance of UTI pathogens to conventional antimicrobial agents. Because of this, the use of drugs other than conventional antibiotics for prophylaxis and treatment of UTIs is desired, and the search for such treatments is ongoing.

One such agent proposed to be useful in preventing urinary tract infections is vitamin C. Also known as ascorbic acid, vitamin C is an antioxidant with a number of proposed health benefi ts, including treatment and prevention of the common cold, hypertension, coronary heart disease, gout, and cancer. The recommended dietary allowance of the vitamin is 75 milligrams per day in women and 90 milligrams per day in men. High-dose vitamin C, at one to two grams per day, is commonly used for disease treatment and prevention. When the vitamin has been used in even higher daily doses, several types of adverse effects have been reported, including diarrhea, hyperglycemia, hemolysis, and renal failure.

Vitamin C is thought to have an effect in UTIs by acidifying the urine. The urine contains nitrates, both obtained from the diet and produced naturally by the body. Bacteria with nitrate reductase activity, such as E. coli, convert these nitrates to nitrites. At an acidic pH, the nitrites are then converted to various nitrogen oxides which are toxic to bacteria. Therefore, urine acidifi ed

by vitamin C may be deadly to many of the bacteria that cause urinary infections, including E.coli.

Although vitamin C has long been suggested as a supplement to prevent UTIs, there have been relatively few studies looking at its effectiveness. The studies that do exist found that decreasing the pH of urine to a level of 5.5 or lower effectively kills E. coli bacteria. However, at the doses used in the trials, between two and four grams per day, the vitamin C was not found to effectively lower the pH to this level of acidity, and therefore was not effective in killing the bacteria. The research on this topic does not support the use of high-dose vitamin C for the prevention of urinary tract infections.

Further studies could be done to determine whether even higher doses of the vitamin may be useful for UTIs, but the risk of adverse effects at such doses may be greater than the potential benefits."

My guess is lowering pH in a short term is OK. Longer term is not so. I've read from another source that <6 or >8 is not good. I keep mine around 7, and have not had UTIs. Hank

dl, two other common causes of UTIs are:

1. Any surgeries or procedures that get in the urethra, like cystoscopy or TURP, or the bladder.
2. Any types of catheterization, including Foley, and self catheterization. Self catheterization if done correctly however has much lower risk than Foley or SPC. Hank

" The myths about preventing and treating a urinary tract infection (UTI) are many, but let’s get to the truth.

About 60 percent of women will experience this common malady (and the painful, frequent and sometimes urgent urination that goes with it) over their lifetimes.

At the top of the UTI “myth list” is the widely held belief that drinking cranberry juice or taking cranberry supplements can prevent and treat UTIs.

“There is an active ingredient in cranberries that can prevent adherence of bacteria to the bladder wall, particularly E. coli,” says urologist Courtenay Moore, MD. “But most of the studies have shown that juice and supplements don’t have enough of this active ingredient, A-type proanthocyanidins (PACs), to prevent bacteria from sticking to the urinary tract.”

Overall, clinical studies on the efficacy of cranberry juices and extracts for the prevention of UTIs are conflicting.

In a 2013 meta-analysis, cranberry juice and tablets reduced the occurrence of UTIs compared to placebo in women with recurrent UTIs.

A 2012 Cochrane review concluded that cranberries did not significantly reduce the occurrence of symptomatic UTI, but cranberry juice may decrease the number of symptomatic UTIs over a 12-month period in women with recurrent UTIs.

Also, because supplements are not regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), it is not known how much of the active ingredient each product contains. Therefore, many of the products may not have enough of the active ingredient to be effective in preventing bacteria from sticking to the bladder wall.

“The bottom line? Cranberry can’t hurt, and it may help,” Dr. Moore says. She says it may be worth trying if you struggle with UTIs as the risk in doing so is very low. "

Billy, save your money on cranberry pills. Hank

thanks for ur good lessons on UTI. ur posts are informative and helpful. u are an expert on this subject.

so there are two scenarios that work here

1. A pH <5.5 by killing Ecoli
2. a pH of 7.0, the reason unknown

Vit C >1g/day could be harmful. Missing data is how many bottles of vit C tom has to take to produce a 5pH in his urine.

Is it easy to check if there are Ecoli in urine?

Hank, how do you keep your PH at 7.0 and what do you test with?

Thanks dl, but I am not really an expert in any thing. Vit C in bottles are not good, because usually in form of ascorbic acid, they kill bacteria, yes, including good bacteria, which is important for our guts. My early post indicated that even at 2-4g daily, Vit C is not enough to lower urine pH level to 5.5.

Long term too low pH in general is not good for the body, usually accompanying with many illness. However, there are other ways to lower urine pH level, including eating more meat, grains, dairy,etc.

Better natural solutions for preventing and relieving UTI that I know involve without lowering urine pH are using D mannose, that I haven't tried, and crushed raw garlic, that I have used successful.

To test for UTI, you can use test strips. Hank

Billy, you can buy test strips for urine pH anywhere. I bought them from Amazon or eBay. Some test strips also test other stuff that identify UTI as well so it may save you a trip to the doctor.

Urine pH is usually the results of what you eat. Meat, grains, dairy, sugar,.. are acidic. Fruits and vegetables are alkaline. Except when you have UTI, urine pH becomes very alkaline because of too much bacteria activity. Then you will need to control those buggers, either with antibiotics or something else like D-mannose, or fresh raw garlic. Both methods have been mentioned positively on this forum.

Tom suggested lowering pH which I don't dispute, if it works by any means. I just don't like long term of doing that. Hank

Hank

After you get rid of the bacteria, urine pH should lower to your normal level that was based on your diet. Hank

thanks, hank! u share ur knowledge generously. I am sure ur posts not only useful to billy and myself but to many others as well!

the test strip, test for Ecoli, yes?

Hank, thank you for the info and sharing your bountiful knowledge....Billy

You are both welcome, dl and Billy.

Strip tests and lab tests don't usually test for Ecoli specifically, I am sure your doctor can order it if warranted. There are also some Ecoli test kits that people use to test their water. I wonder if we can use them for our urine. Hank

water test kit is a great idea if it is inexpensive. no wonder billy also thinks u have bountiful knowledge!

u had mentiomed 80% OF UTI is due to Ecoli. if the water Ecoli test kit works on urine (don't see why not since urine is mostly water) , it will allow UTI patients to test their urine when the symptom flares up. this will allow them to get early warning and quickly take measure to kill the viruses before they can do more damage. make sense?

UTI test strips can give you early warnings. Why worry only about Ecoli solely ? How about the other 20%, they can also cause UTI ? Hank

agree.

so it depends on the cost of these strips. I would guess that Ecoli strip would be cheaper. 80% is nothing to sneeze at.

so the idea is for frequent UTI sufferers who have serious symptoms, have the test strip at hand, once they feel UTI is about to flare up that is at the onset of UTI, immediately do the test to confirm. if positive, take the antibiotic that work for them or vit C. if they have to make an appointment to see thier uro, valuable time would be lost, the viruses would have multiplied exponentially.

nonsense?