Vivity and PanOptix - My real life experience

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If you are here researching cataract/IOL options then congratulations — you are way ahead of most people. I also found my way here, just a few months ago, as I had an increasingly bad cataract and a diagnosis, but very little “chair time” with doctors to fully understand options. After a few hours in this forum I was more worried than educated, as it seemed like 90% of people here had issues. I’ve come to realize that most of the people that end up posting here are the ones with issues and those with no issues, generally go on to live their lives and don’t hang out in forums like this. I told myself I’d come back and post my experience for others, regardless of outcome. I'm grateful for others that have shared. Here is my story…

My background:

I am a 51yo male. I’ve had a very high (myopic) prescription, since I was 10yo, but my prescription has been stable (-8D,-8.5D) for the last thirty years and I’ve been 20/20 in contacts, so I've had no real complaints. I had some near vision loss, due to age, but not much given my high myopia. Then 3-4 months ago I started noticing I was going through more right contacts (disposing more frequently) and noticing my vision was inconsistently blurring in my right (dominate) eye. The onset of my cataract was fast, with it getting progressively worse over a few months.

Doctors and Options:

After my regular optometrist diagnosed the cataract, I got a referral and met with one of the best doctors I could find in Southern California in a large and highly regarded group. After a few hours of testing, I got “chair time” with the doc and he recommended the LAL lenses. These appealed to me, since they could be adjusted after they were inserted, but the 4-6 weeks of wearing funny looking glasses and staying out of the sun did not appeal to me. So, I got a second opinion. I found another doc through referral that had done 20,000 IOL surgeries. His recommendation, after more “lifestyle Q&A” was a combination of the Vivity (in my dominant/cataract right eye) and PanOptix in my left eye. He suggested surgery a week apart.

I thought I had done my research, before going to the docs, but I really had no appreciation for the technical difference in lenses. I’ve spent a lifetime with photography, so I quickly figured out that there is no “perfect IOL lens” that will provide low light, high contrast vision with a focal point from 6” to infinity, except for that natural human lens -- for humans lucky enough to have no vision issues. In general, IOL lenses come in distance or close up, but not both. Getting two distance lenses is great for driving, golf, and other activities, but still requires readers for reading, phone, computer, etc. Going the monovision route, you get a close-up lens in one eye and a distance lens in the other, which then provides full range vision for reading up close and seeing distance. The big downside of monovision is halos and noise around lights at night, since one eye is fuzzy at distance and one eye is clear — the effect is always there, but it is more magnified at night, especially while driving. Eventually the brain tunes out the halos and noise (or so I am told).

Why I selected the Vivity / PanOptix combination:

The “correct it after it is in” technology of the Light Adjustable Lenses (LAL) really appealed to me, but I discovered that the Alcon lenses (Vivity/PanOptix) were just better/different lenses for their focal length. My doctor also neutralized the advantage of the LAL lenses, by saying any need for correction after surgery could be done with a short lazik session. The Vivity lens was regarded as very good from 18” to infinity, providing far more mid vision (phone, computer) than others. But… the Vivity was useless under 18” without over-correcting the prescription. The PanOptix lens acts more like a trifocal lens, providing short-mid-and-long distance viewing, but still suffers from some of the light halos at night, due to its outer “close up rings”. I debated going with two Vivity lenses and reading glasses, but I really LOVED the idea of never needing glasses or contacts. I also considered two Vivity lenses with one over corrected for more near vision, but ultimately I decided to go with the PanOptix, knowing I would get the very close-up (6”) reading — like reading my phone or kindle in bed. I did not explore a lot of other lenses or options. My doctor was able to connect me to another patient that had recently done a Vivity/Panoptix combo and that put a lot of my concerns to rest.

Also, I am fortunate that money was not a factor for me. The “premium lenses” can be very expensive and are, unfortunately, not covered by my “premium health care insurance” (UnitedHealthPPO). So, my out of pocket cost (all in cost with surgery) was about $12,000 for both lenses/surgeries. I could have found the same lenses for less, but I came to the conclusion that the doctor was as important, if not more important, than the lenses.

The first procedure - My right eye:

The actual surgery went very well for me. I did my right eye first with the Vivity, since it had the cataract and was starting to be a problem. It had always been my dominant eye, but in the last month my brain had promoted my left eye as dominant. I spent a few hours in the waiting room and pre-op, but once they gave me the fun juice, I have no memory of the surgery. I was memory black, until I woke up in the car, although I was clearly conscious, talking, putting on my shoes, and telling everyone in the waiting room on the way out that I was now a pirate (rrrr…). I took off the eye shield the next morning (a Saturday) and WOW - Holy moly!, I could see perfect. My right eye was now perfect 20/20 without any glasses or contacts. But it was better than 2020, as all the colors were brighter and whiter. I’d toggle between and left, which I thought was “perfect” and my right, and the difference was stark. I had set up a bunch of tests at home before surgery to test my sight near, far, with pen lights in the dark, etc. After the first morning my right eye was already at 2020 and it got even better within a week. With that lens I could see 2020 to 18” but then it immediately dropped off if I got any closer. At 10” with the Vivity I was blind, unlike my “old right eye”. Initially, I was not willing to do the one week back-to-back surgeries my doc recommended (especially after reading this forum), so I scheduled my left eye for one month out. That worked fine for me, as I wore a contact in my left eye, although with my contact out at night, reading was very hard (I had to hack some old glasses with only one lens). In hindsight, I would have been fine scheduling one week apart, but having the month to recover also worked OK.

The second procedure - My left eye:

My second surgery for my left eye (PanOptix) was just last week. Again, it went very well and similar to the first. Only about 15-20 minutes in surgery, but about three hours, including over an hour in the waiting room. I recall more from that surgery, including light flashes during the surgery, but for the most part I was out with no substantial recall, until I got in the car to go home. I removed the eye shield when I got home. My “new” eye was working well, but the first surgery day is a bad measure due to all the dilation and drops. When I woke the next morning, I was equally amazed, as I was with the first eye. For the most part I had clear 2020 vision at distance and at 6” from my nose. For some reason, I thought with the Panoptix I’d be able to see breaks in my vision if I moved my eye around, like with trifocal glasses, but that wasn’t the case. Even with my left eye closed, I found that the Panoptix very closely mimicked my natural eye with seamless vision far and close and no distortion — at least during the day (see below for night result). I was also amazed that my brain automatically switches eye dominance with no distortion for close vs. far. I ran through my battery of tests at home (and later at the doc) and found my left eye vision to be 2020 at distance and 2020 at 8”. Amazing! On the first two days, I had a horizontal light line when viewing my “pen light in a dark room” test. That horizontal line would have been insane if I had tried to drive at night, but luckily it went away by day three. I also had a lot of peripheral flutter on day one and now at day five I still have occasional peripheral “sparkles” when moving through bright light, but they are going away more and more every day. One thing to note, at my “morning after doc visit” the interocular pressure was high in my left eye, so I got more drops to use for the next week.

The drops - oh, the drops:

As someone who wore contacts their entire life, drops are no big deal and are a very small price to pay for perfect uncorrected vision, but there are a lot of them. For my right eye, I used Pred-Moxy four times a day for the first two weeks and an anti-inflammatory drop once a day for the first month. I also added a lubricating/wetting drop 2-3 times a day to aid healing and keep things wet (suggest Oasis tears). For my left eye, I also have a drop twice a day for the interocular pressure and I’m using Oasis four times a day for a total of 11 drops a day in my left eye. I use an app on my phone to keep track of all the reminders. My right eye is now all done and “drop free”, although I occasionally give it some Oasis drops, because they feel so good in hot weather.

The good, the bad, and the amazing:

As I mentioned above, my vision is now AMAZING. I am in awe that I can see 2020 with no correction and colors are brighter and whiter than ever before. I can see perfect with no anomalies reading a kindle in bed, a menu at a restaurant, my laptop, phone, up close and at distance.

The only significant “anomaly” I have is related to night driving. When I drive at night, round lights (only round lights) that shine directly at me (really only headlights and stop lights and to a much lesser degree some brake lights) have a slight halo around them, due to the Panoptix in my left eye. The halos are apparent, but don’t impair my vision in any way. For example, a stop light at one full block away, appears about twice the normal size and as I get closer reduces to only 25% larger at 100 feet away. The Vivity lens in my dominate eye ensures that everything is sharp and crisp (“2020”), but there are still small halos around oncoming car headlights. That is the price I was willing to pay for perfect close-up vision and never needing to wear readers. I would have no issue driving cross country at night - I don’t feel impaired. My ability to read street signs at night, unlit signs, license plates, etc. is better than ever (better than pre-cataract days). I have not noticed any “low light” or contrast issues, even trying hard to create them with dimmer switches at home. I know other lenses are known to be “higher contrast”, but I honestly can’t find an issue with min. Maybe I don’t have a better basis for comparison? I actually expected more “light noise” with night driving and am delighted that there isn’t more.

I would do it again:

I know I am not that far into the process and every situation is different, but if I had to do it again, I would absolutely do it again. I’ll update this thread if that ever changes. If I was a pilot or if I drove for a living at night I would likely chose two Vivity lenses and use readers for up close reading, but for me the trade-off was worth it. Over correcting one Vivity lens is another option to get a wider focal range without halos, but I don’t have the first hand experience. On my second surgery day I wasn't able to wear a contact in my left eye (blind without correction). I was surprised that my Vivity lens in the right allowed me to read my phone perfectly at 18" for about 3-4 hours of waiting. Maybe one day they will invent a lens with true full range and no light distortion. They are getting close. We are all lucky to have modern medicine. I hope you find a good doctor, an IOL solution that works for you, and best wishes on your journey.

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    Congrats on your successful surgery. Thank you for your well-written and detailed account of your results. There are folks who write about their plans and concerns on this forum prior to cataract surgery, but neglect to return and share their actual experience. I really appreciate your insights.

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    Good account of your experience. I think you made a good choice in delaying the second lens. In your case things worked out really well, and perhaps it was not necessary, but things do not always work out so perfectly. Technically your choice of the EDOF and MF should work really well. When one does that, the hope is that each will bring the benefits to the front and cover for the shortfall of the other. I suppose the opposite could happen, so you are brave to try the approach. Hopefully for you the lenses will continue to give you good results.

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    Thank you for sharing your experience - nice to hear a good one. True that most that are happy never make their way to the forums to post.

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    Hi, I am back six months later with an update.

    My vision is still amazing 20/20 or better at distance, mid, and close up. All the flicker and flutter stuff went away after a month. As someone that wore contacts my whole life for high myopia, I am still in awe every day at perfect vision.

    The light halos on round lights at night are still the same but maybe slightly less noticeable. They haven't impaired my night driving at all and signs and license plates are still 20/20 at night.

    As I've become more familiar with my eyesight the last six months, I do notice that these lenses require slightly more light than my natural eyes at 25yo (a long time ago), but not much more. If i am reading my iPhone in bed at night instead of the brightness on 1 I might put it on 3 (on a 1-10 scale). They do better with more light, but my old cataract lenses needed a flashlight in every dim restaurant but these rarely do.

    I still do lubricating drops twice a day -- once when i wake up and once when I go to bed. I live in dry California and the drops just feel good. If I miss a day or two I don't really notice.

    I hope your eye experience is equally good.

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    Thanks for your detailed post, l am a similar age to you 48 and having cataract surgery this year, my specialist recommened vivty lens in both eyes, all l want is good distance and intermediate without glasses l dont mind glasses for reading or real close up. You mentioned with the vivity " At 10” with the Vivity I was blind" do you mean you were blind without glasses, can you see well close up for reading with your vivity eyes if you put on glasses for that eye? Also the vivity has lower contrast then standard monofical , how do you find the contrast expecially in low light such as an overcast day or twilight, is it not somethig that you notice or bothers you

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      Hi John,

      I love my Vivity lens. It is in my dominant eye and was done first. For me it gives 20/20 from about 18" to infinity. On my second surgery day i was stuck in the waiting room two hours and couldn't wear a contact in my second eye, so I primarily used the Vivity to surf my phone for hours and it was just fine (I also didn't have a pair of readers). But, at ten inches the Vivity is completely blurry without reading glasses -- not just a little blurry, but a lot. For me, I do a lot of fine curcuit board work and reading in bed that would have required readers. I'm sure you will be fine with glasses for reading up close.

      I do not notice any contrast issues on cloudy days or at dusk. I do notice I need slightly more light than my teenage son in very low light situations (like a restaurant) but my lenses are much better in low light than my previous 50 yo natural eyes.

      Mike

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      Thanks , glad it was a success. Did you have laser assisted cataract surgery where they break up the cataract with a laser or did you go the traditional way ?

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      yes. Laser assisted, but I did not really probe on that. I shopped for a surgeon by asking other ophthalmologist who they would use on their own eyes. I met multiple surgeons. The one I chose had done over 20,000 eye surgeries and they let me talk to previous patients that had the same lens combo as he was recommending to me. Others had more recent technology (like the LAL lenses), but I trusted the doc I chose more than the others.

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      seeking that doc's contact details please

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    this is an encouraging report. i like the idea of best of both worlds w both of those premium lenses.

    can you please share your doc's name and town?

    am in the research phase and i've got cataracts and astigmatism.

    thanks and congrats!

    lisa

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    Eye33, I want you to know how very much I appreciate your report! Based in part on your description of receiving the Vivity EDOF lens in your dominant eye and the Panoptix multifocal lens in your nondominant eye, I chose the same approach and am extremely pleased with the outcome! At age 76, I now have clear vision at all distances without the need for any further correction, including reading glasses.

    At least in my case, this custom blend of premium Alcon IOLs has been a fantastic solution for restoring clear vision (no more cataracts) and eliminating the need for wearing the trifocals I had worn for over thirty prior years (correction now built into the premium lenses, including for astigmatism). As I had anticipated, the combination (custom blend) of these two IOLs has provided the specific benefits of each (near vision with Panoptix; minimal glare/halos with Vivity) while also mitigating the negatives of each (glare/halos with Panoptix; limited near vision with Vivity). The result is a win/win and, in my option, a better result than I could have achieved with matched IOLs of either type in both eyes. If I could only have a matched pair, I would definitely choose the Vivity EDOF lens and reading glasses for very near vision, if necessary.

    My laser cataract surgeries were performed one week apart by Dr. Johnathan Frantz at the Frantz Eye Center in Ft. Myers, Florida. Both surgeries were completely painless and my healing has been “ahead of the curve”. I had a Panoptix Toric lens placed in my nondominant eye first so I could evaluate its performance prior to committing a lens choice for my dominate eye. The Panoptix lens delivered clear vision at all distances but also showed the classic tradeoffs of glare and nighttime halos. Overall, my vision in that eye was now far superior to my dominant eye with its cataract and trifocal glasses. However, I saw no need to place another Panoptix lens in my dominant eye and forego the benefits offered by the Vivity EDOL lens. Again, based largely on the reassurance provided by your report above, I confidently chose a standard Vivity IOL for my dominant eye (the minor astigmatism in that eye was corrected by laser treatment rather than another toric lens).

    I recently returned from my 10-day postop appointment where my rapid healing was confirmed and my vision tested 20/20 in each eye individually, both near and far! And, I know my vision with both eyes working together is even better. I could not be more pleased with this outcome! I am glad I did my own research because none of my doctors suggested a custom blend of these two amazing lenses. After reading your report and several other online reviews, I began to question every doctor and technician I encountered about this possibility. They agreed to do it if it was my choice but did not suggest it initially. I hope more patients and doctors will keep an open mind to the potential complementary nature and benefits of this custom blend, even to the point of suggesting/recommending it where it may be a better overall solution than matching IOLs. Thanks again for sharing your experience!

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      How is your night vision? Do you drive at night? Any issues?

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      RonAKA, my night vision is now very good - much better than when I had cataracts and was wearing tri-focals. Halos are all but unnoticeable and headlights are now a single bright light versus the starbursts created by former cataracts.

      The week between getting the Panoptix multifocal in my nondominant eye and getting the Vivity EDOL in my dominant eye, I was able to "test" or compare the night vision quality of the Panoptix by closing my dominant eye. I definitely saw 4 to 5 light halos around two types of stationary lights: stop lights and street lights but almost none around headlights or taillights. I attribute that to the intensity and amount of light (lumens) produced by those stationary types of lights. Although that was acceptable (and certainly better than my cataracts and glasses), I was convinced that I did not want to amplify those effects by getting a second Panoptix lens in my dominant eye, especially since I had already achieved good near vision with my first Panoptix lens.

      Tonight was another good opportunity to test my night vision with the Panoptix/Vivity blend when we took guests out to dinner after dark. I must say I was more than pleased. Driving with both eyes open (as I always do), the halos on certain lights were barely noticeable and there were none on headlights or taillights. When I temporarily closed my dominant/Vivity eye, I could definitely see halos on certain stationary lights through the Panoptix eye, as expected. When I closed my Panoptix eye, all halos disappeared, again, as expected.

      I am truly amazed how quickly and effectively the brain "learns" to use the best capabilities of each type of lens in a complementary way, both to enhance their strengths and mitigate their drawbacks. At least for me, this seems almost too good to be true (but it is)!

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      It is good to hear you are getting good results. The reason I ask is that I have a friend that got PanOptix in both eyes. She is not real pleased. She feels she cannot drive at night due what she describes as "huge halos around headlights". She also needs +1.75 readers to read, even in daylight. I guess it turns out different for different people. Not going with two PanOptix lenses is likely a good choice.

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      Dennis63207 / Eye 33

      Thank you both for your posts, they have been very informative.

      Dennis63207 I also live in the Fort Myers, Florida area and have an initial appointment with Dr. Frantz this month (April 2023). I am very interested in using the Panoptix lense in my non-dominate eye, which has the strongest cataract and a Vivity lense in my dominate eye. Did you present the idea to Dr. Frantz and was he initially receptive to it? My wife went to Dr. Frantz and has 2 Panoptix lenses and is very satisfied but I don't think the idea of mixing 2 different lenses was discussed.

      I look forward to read any of your future post.

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      TimR321, sorry I didn't see your post much earlier. We temporarily relocate to our summer home in MN in late April each year so I've been completely occupied with that.

      However, I now can report on a full 90 days of having my custom blend of Alcon premium lenses (PanOptix and Vivity) and I must say I am as thrilled as ever with the all around excellent vision they continue to provide! After wearing trifocal eyeglasses for over 30 years, reaching for those glasses every morning has been a difficult habit to break but I seldom do it any more! I love being free of corrective eyewear! Now the only glasses I reach for are my polarized sunglasses.

      In answer to your specific question, no one associated with the Frantz Eye Center, including Dr. Frantz, initially suggested anything but a matching pair of PanOptix lenses for me. Frankly, that was their best recommendation based on the way I answered their personal vision preferences survey during my initial visit so I am not blaming them or anyone else. However, to their credit, when I subsequently proposed the possibility of a custom blend of PanOptix and Vivity lenses (based on my independent research), no one there, including Dr. Frantz, objected if that was what I wanted. One of their lady doctors opined that "they were designed to work in pairs" but let it go at that, while another lady doctor was very supportive of the idea and even acknowledged that "that combination has worked very well for other patients" and "I think you will like it, too!"

      I have a younger relative that is very happy with his matched pair of PanOptix lenses so I am not knocking matched pairs. For me, however, after carefully considering the pros and cons of each lens type (PanOptix and Vivity) and reading reviews like that of Eye33, I decided a custom blend of the two would potentially increase the pros and mitigate the cons. Thankfully, that has been my experience.

      My night vision now is so much sharper and clearer than before with my cataracts that I don't even perceive any halos. One huge benefit of the EDOL Vivity lens in my dominant right eye is that I can once again shoot firearms with open sights! The distant target, intermediate front sight and closer rear sight are all perfectly clear when I aim with my right eye open (and I am a right-handed shooter naturally).

      Undoubtedly, a custom blend of IOLs may not be the best solution for everyone, but, IMO, it is something that everyone should at least evaluate and consider based on their current and anticipated vision priorities. But, don't expect your eye doctor/cataract surgeon to suggest it to you initially unless you have an obvious physical/medical need. If you have already had your cataract surgery, I would be interested in your final choice of IOLs and how it is working for you. Thanks.

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      Did you target distance plano in both eyes? Did you have any concerns about loss of contrast sensitivity?

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      Sorry, I'm not sure what you are asking in your first question.

      As I understand the technical assessments of these two types of lenses, loss of contrast is one of the cons associated with multi-focal IOLs like PanOptix. I believe the EDOF Vivity lens in my dominant eye compensates for that since I have not perceived any issue with loss of contrast/depth perception with my custom blend.

      I am amazed that the human brain seems to adapt quickly and uses whichever eye is most capable for the task at hand. Also, I've been told by more than one eye doctor that the dominant eye is most often used for distance vision and the non-dominant eye for near/reading. That's why they recommend using the EDOF lens in your dominant eye.

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      I was just asking if both eyes were targeted for best distance vision.

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      Both of my IOLs provide excellent distance vision. The Vivity lens in my dominant right eye is definitely "targeted" (new term to me) for far/distance vision but the EDOL capability of that lens also includes super clear intermediate vision. In fact, I can clearly read my computer screen about 18 inches away with my left eye closed.

      As you may know, the multifocal PanOptix lens that I have in my left non-dominant eye, has three concentric focal rings that "target" 3 distinct distances: far, intermediate and near, respectively. With my prior trifocal eyeglasses, if I really wanted to see fine detail, like tiny print on a label, I would pull things up closer to my face. Now, I push them out a foot or more because that allows the EDOL lens in my dominant eye to "assist" or complement the near focus capability of the multi-focal lens in my non-dominant eye. I can also simply close my right eye and bring things closer to my left eye where the near focal ring makes things very clear from about 8 to 12 inches away.

      It is quite amazing to me how the brain automatically and instantly selects the proper focal distance ring of the multi-focal PanOptix lens without requiring any head movement or eye shifting at all - so different than wearing lined trifocal eyeglasses or even progressive lens eyeglasses!

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      Yes, it sounds like you have all the bases covered. Getting a lens that gives you distance vision plus close enough vision to use an open gun sight.

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      It is standard practice for surgeons to "target" an IOL based on the diopters required to correct the vision to best distance vision (20/20+). A standard distance target is -0.25 D or very slightly myopic. It would take a -0.25 D lens to give best distance corrected vision. One way to squeeze some additional close vision out of a Vivity is to target it for mild myopia, but that of course compromises distance vision that the other eye will have to make up for.

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