What stage is this?

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When an alcoholic sees non existent bugs on the floor, and imagines someone in the room, has "falling down" and urinating episodes, can someone tell me at what stage is the alcoholism please. This is a 67 yr  old man, who has been drinking vodka staight from the bottle for years. and who says he is not an alcoholic, just a drunk. 

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    This is man is a serious alcoholic, he is going to die soon from alcohol he needs medical help, alcoholics will never admit they are alcoholic, l used to drink a lot would get angry if anyone suggested l was a alcoholic, its only now l drink once a week l know l am a alcoholic, he needs help your man.
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    Hi - I agree with the previous comment that medical help is required

    My partner Jenny had a similar episode 11 years ago and it developed into an episode of Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (WKS), whereby lack of Thiamine in the brain resulted in profound Korsakoff's psychosis (KP) (which left her with profound memory and cognitive  issues, similar to profound dementia!).

    The earlier it is treated, the less the effect on the brain. Unlike many other forms of dementia, KP is not progressive and therefore a rehabilitation programme and Cognitive Rehabilitation Training (CRT) can help.

    But you need to get the guy to the doctor for for advice

     

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    i am a recovering alcholic, this man is NOT just a drunk he IS a alcoholic, who is killing himself, slowly but surley, he needs help right now, i had all the falling down bit and the seeing things help is out there he must ACT NOW before it is to late i was lucky i had help( no drink for two yrs) i am 65 so it is never to late to start, i wish him good luck if he wants to change
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    That's my problem- he is in total denial. Doesnt believe he has a problem, he says I have the problem, because I wont back off and let him do what he wants, and he will not be my under MY control. He is going downhill , cant remember what he said 5 minutes ago, denies that he hit me, and said if he did , I must have deserved it (Ipoured his vodka down the sink)   But he will NOT get help, I live in Spain and dont feel there is any help for me, I think he needs commited or something
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    There's never "nothing I can do". Call the doctor to him, get any friends, relatives, anyone you know to physically drag him from the house. Police, ambulanc, talk to services in town. Obviously in denial so get these people to forcibly move him to the doctors.

    once he's stopped breathing in a few weeks ,  then there's nothing to do.

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      Matt66 - thank you. I will NEVER just give up- I have fought this for years, and feel he still has a lot of living to do, I just hope he can start to realise we are alll worth living for xx

       

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      Hi Olivo,

      You say he is 67....how old are you and are you related (hubby, partner, friend)? I was going to say get him sectioned but you can't do that....well, not in the UK for alcohol misuse, maybe Spain is different, might be worth checking.

      How does he get his drink, does he go out himself?

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    I am 64, we have been married for 44 yrs- he was the kindest loveliest caring man before the drink became a nightmare. He doesnt drink every day, or even every week, but all of a sudden he is legless, shouts, falls down, sleeps for day, he has gone on a drinking spree. In Spain you cant section anyone for alcohol, and he says he doesnt have a problem, he just likes to drink now and again. But he buys it, puts it into empty water bottles,and hides it all over the house, and thats when he goes on a bender. He knows how much it hurts me, yet says why shouldnt he ??
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      It is a terrible thing to go through....I'm 5 years dry now. Used to live on my own so hiding it wasnt a problem....remembering where I put it was! Haha. I had given up for good but had my first relapse after 2 weeks. My mum cane to visit and I left 1 empty can on the table and thats what rumbled me.....so glad or I'd have been going until my liver went (now I have a transplanted liver which is NOT alcohol related suprisily enough!

      Do you think his friends could help drag or "escort" him to the doctors?

      There are a lot of "underhand" starting points, not horrible things, but just if you really wanna wake him up they seem spiteful.

      1 Cut access to joint bank account

      2 Dont give him any petty cash...do grocery shopping yourself

      3 intervention. Get friends n family to all come 1 specific time /evening & have a mass intervention...usual stuff, we love u but gonna lose you if ........

      4 By the end of the intervention, he should ideally have agreed to at least "see" the doc for a blood test to establish where you are

      5 talk to the locals (pub /shop) and ask them not to serve him.

      Try some of those, especially trying to restrict funds or supply. I dont know how brave / confident are, but threatening to leave him if he doesn't get to the doctor for a blood test at least could be a start.

      Thats the main thing.....get him to get a blood test to start. Hell denynit until the cows come home, but once its there in black & white it begins to sink in. I know it sounds nasty but it is for everybody's own good, so threaten awayb (obv not with violence!!!), but cut the account access and say youre moving out unless you see a quack.

      Ngers crossed, my dear. Let us know how you are.xx

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