Worse after physical therapy
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I have pt 3 times a week with weekends off. The past several weeks I've been noticing I'm much worse after pt. My knee swells up, gets very stiff, and I can not get the bend I normally do. I had TKR 3 months ago and had to have manipulation done 8 weeks after the TKR.
Has anyone else experienced this? Is my pt being too aggressive? My knee feels so much better during the weekend when I have several days off of pt but as soon as I go back to pt, I start all over again with the swelling and pain.
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jenny80029 Wicca1971
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Cannot remember if you are in UK or not?
But I had no pushing of my knee...no forcing. The only person who nudged my knee along, gently, was myself!
How long does the swelling and pain last after physio?
If it is inflamed the day after, and it was mine, my personal view would be I had overdone it. But it will be interesting to get others perspectives.
jenny80029
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Wicca1971 jenny80029
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I'm in the US. When I go to pt I see two different therapists (it all depends on the day). One therapist is very aggressive with the bending while the other one is more interested in massaging the scar tissue. Because I had the manipulation my surgeon made it very clear to the therapists that they should be aggressive with the bending which hurts like hell to avoid any adhesions from reforming.
The stiffness and swelling usually lasts several days and I really don't take any days off. The days I don't go to pt I do all the same exercises at home minus the forced knee bending. Now that I'm reading what I just wrote I'm thinking the aggressive knee bending by my therapist may be the issue but then I wonder why my surgeon would write that on the script. He actually wrote aggressive flexion with three exclamation points after it. He was very adamant that they focus on bending my knee.
jenny80029 Wicca1971
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I think we have less frequent physio in UK also, I had a lovely community physio coming once a week from around 2 weeks post op.
At 8 weeks post op i started a weekly rehabilitation class at a local hospital, again on NHS. Good timing for me as I then got more challenging exercises to do at the point where I was starting to have a bit more energy. It was fun...a complete laugh. You need a sense of humour for certain.
Again, never the slightest suggestion that I should be causing myself needless pain. On one occasion I over did it and leg was red and swollen...message = you have done too much. Listen to knee. If swelling and redness increases and it is still there the next day, you have overdone things.
Getting swelling down along and rest, plenty of icing, along with keeping knee moving and gently nudging along the range of motion was the message I picked up from the way my rehabilitation was managed. Patience is essential from all concerned.
I wonder if sometimes targets for insurance purposes or hospital statistics might have something to do with things being rushed along in US? Really don't know, but deadlines do appear to be much tighter?
You may like to go to my profile by clicking on the image next to my name. I kept a journal of my own knee replacement journey, and I have been told by several people they found it helpful to read, or skim through. It was written to convey the need for patience, something our culture in the western world is not really geared up to! It has a lot of useful suggestions and information. I did not have an MUA, and can obviously only give a perspective based on my one personal experience, but I have no doubt that professional opinions on the matter vary, and physiotherapists and how they work certainly do.
I think getting another professional opinion is an excellent idea!
MarieMichelle Wicca1971
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Wicca1971 MarieMichelle
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Hi MarieMichelle,
When I said days off, I meant days off from actually going to pt. I do my exercises every day at home and the only difference is that I don't have the therapists here forcing my knee to bend until tears start forming in my eyes. My one therapist actually said she has to bend my knee until I'm on the verge of tears. I'm just afraid if they go easy my scar tissue will get ahead of me and form adhesions again.
robin15577 Wicca1971
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I don't know but I have found doing the work at home in particular heel slides made PT a lot easier. I also don't want any pushing just me scooting toward person holding foot During measurement. But NO pushing. I hope it gets better for you. It's a long
Process for sure.
Wicca1971 robin15577
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It's really interesting how so many people don't have there knees forced into a bend by their pt. I wonder if its just an American doctor thing. I see my doctor in 6 weeks but if this keeps happening I may go for a second opinion. I do A LOT of heel slides lol, every day but it's so much harder the couple of days after going to pt. My pt was actually a bit concerned when I went today and told her what was going on and didn't push me today which I was very thankful for.
MarieMichelle Wicca1971
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robin15577 Wicca1971
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jenny80029 Wicca1971
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I think it is a US thing!
In UK forcing isn't done as far as I am aware.
You can push the knee a bit yourself and listen to your body.
If it gets swollen it isn't going to bend...like a hosepipe full of water doesn't bend.
Also keeping swelling down is important part of rehabilitation.
Listen to your knee, as you are keeping on the case with your home exercises you are doing the work.
I am not surprised the PT backed off when hearing about after effects. Be assertive when you need to, and clearly say when things are too much and counterproductive. They can only do what you give permission for them to do. It's one of those situations where you decide who has ultimate responsibility for what happens, and in the end, it is your choice.
auntiebeanie Wicca1971
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Wow Wicca it does sound as if they are too heavy handed. Most people can expect to be sore after PT but not to that extent. Many years ago, i had my knee cap realigned. Could not get it to bed properly and being only 20 at the time was not patient either. Physios in the UK put my leg into a bent position with support, then had my foot dangling off of the end of the bed with a weight strapped around it. then i had to lift that bottom part of leg up and down, it did help but still had problems from where i had healed too fast. Someone at a dance 9 months later pulled me up in the interval spun me around as Rock and Roll music was playing, I fell and knee bent with an almighty crack! it had unstuck all the tendons and ligaments and could get full ROM then. (i don't recommend that though). I would speak to surgeon and say did you mean them to be this aggressive as it is the individuals interpretation of instruction that can vary.
jenny80029 auntiebeanie
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My goodness, is that a manipulation at dancing ...MAD for short!😀
clive45466 Wicca1971
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I saw a sports Physio, he told me if the pain from exercise does not go away after 40 minutes, you are over doing it or should not be doing it.
He was a sports physio for a rugby team, so had seen many knee injuries.
The hospital physio was only good for a knee massage and a chat.
Good healing