zopiclone

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I may upset a few people but I would say to you that once I thought I was just me and all my opinions were mine. How wrong, I am part of everyone and my opinions are not sacred to me. However Zopiclone is the greatest. Do not let yourself get muddled by those who would deliberately confuse you. I have a colleague who tried to end her life with 20 zopiclone. She had a long sleep and a headache and that's all. I do not know and hope some emminent person will tell me to shut it but I have been one them plus load of other stuff (I have leukaemia) since 2008 and not had any, any problem with zopiclone. My fear is that some people may be convincing themselves due to this recent bad repute of zopiclone that like people at a hypnotist show they leave themselves open to suggestion.

If you contradict this please say so but I would prefer one of the medical profession to tell me I am wrong because if was one them a few years ago who was singing their praise. I am roughly on 15mg a day which would not please my consultant, I will probably see my gp because you do get used to them. I don't give a damn as long as I can sleep but can say that they are certainly no problem to me.

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    David, a few things:

    1) Trying to overdose on 20 Z's isn't going to work. That's one reason why they were thought 'safer' than diazepam etc. 

    2) You are on 2x7.5mg a day dose, that probably does not have too many side effects, try dropping the dose to 1 and see if you notice any difference. Still no problem? Then try to go to zero. Are you in control, or are they?

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    Hi David

    Well said and so true, glad Zopiclone is working for you. If you are only using it to sleep, then perhaps a natural method would best suit you, since this is a hard drug, and not too easy to come off of. Once the medical community gets things sorted out, we will all be gone anyways, so if it works for you, do it, if it doesn't try something else until you get the right medicine for you. Trial and error, but what a pain in the derriere and hard on the ole body and mind! Take care and thank you for sharing.

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    Hi David

    no need to get so defensive and belittle other people who's experiences are different from yours.  i've seen it from both sides, i took diazapam for sleep for close to 20 years,1970s to 1993, and never had a problem with it, and enjoyed having sleep i woulldn't otherwise have--until near the end, some environmental circumstances which made it harder to sleep led to increasing the dose and the more i took, the less effect it had.  i had been at 10mg for years. I was quickly up to 30mg with no effect i wasn't sleeping more than an hour or so, so i just quit cold turkey. it wasn't that big of a deal, W/D symptoms lasted at most 4 days, not that bad, then faded away over the next week, but sleep, which had been a problem sicne before diazapam, was still a problem.

    My doctor prescribed zolpidem and that's when i got on that one, 20 years ago, and i still take it.  for most of that 20 years, it was no problem at all, i took about 10mg a night and some nights i slept without it, no side effects that i could tell.   Then, life circumstances got much more challenging and i ended up needing to take a second dose during the night to get back to sleep, and over the years of 2011 to 2013, my dose went way up, plus, i added zopiclone 7.5mg.  During that time, i did start getting some side effects, and i knew i was taking too much and it couldn't be good for me. 

    The one thing i would say in response to your downright advocacy, not just speaking for yourself but trying to convince others who want to get off the meds to keep taking them, and you with leukemia--i would just want to say that apprently there is a growing body of research showing an association between Z drug use and early death from various causes, including cancer. i think they don't know at this point if the Z drugs are causally related to poorer than average health, or if something else may be causing both the drug use and the diseases, but for me personally, this is another good reason to get off these meds and to clean out my whole body and my whole being.  Getting away from things that are associated with poor health.

    When i went off the diazapam 20 years ago, i clearly felt better in many ways. Although not sleeping as easily or as much as i did on the diazapam, the trade off was worth it, i felt that much better, a benefit i didn't even anticipate when i stopped taking it.  I think most medications are toxic. You take them as a lesser of evils, you weigh the risks and the benefits.  Sleep is very important, it's important for good health.  Choosing to take sleep meds isn't a hard choice to understand if you have insomnia.  You are the one to decide what's most healthy for your life and your circumstances, no one else has to live your life, you do.  But other people have to decide what's most healthy for their lives.  

    I've been on this forum for a while and i've never heard anyone lecture a person who came on here saying zopiclone was working fine for them and they had no regrets. We all know what it's like to feel that the medications are not a problem for us, that for us, it's working.  For me, i just ended up getting some tolerance so that i had to take larger amounts, which are less healthy than smaller amounts, and over time, that amount has gradually continued to go up.  And i know that when i'm detoxed, i feel better and function better, even with less sleep.  

    My plan is, after i get off the automatic nightly taking of zolpidem and diazapam (i tapered off zopiclone earlier this year, still taking zolpidem so able to sleep), i will still use zolpidem occasionally, if i haven't slept well in 3 or 4 days, or if i have some important thing i have to do the next day and don't fall asleep thenight before.  But i want to be healthier and for me that requires getting of these meds on a daily basis..  I got on the diazapam again, after 20 years off it, on doctor's advice as the way to get off the 27mg a night of zolpidem i was taking.  it worked, but then i developed some tolerance to diazapam (again) and so, now it gets me to sleep for about 3 or 4 hours, sometimes more, and then i take 10mg zolpidem to get another couple of hours of sleep.   But  that is going to change.  

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      Thanks 4 posting tht jaw. How did u find going cold turkey think that's what am going to have to do as got no help at all of doc today I do no it's guna be dam hard x
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      Vicky--sorry to hear that.  Going off diazapam cold turkey, 30mg, was not so bad for me.  I had a very happy attitude about doing it, and i would say there is a psychological side to withdrawal and a physical side. i felt happy about it, i was ready so to speak, and also, my first night off diazapam was the first day of a two week vacation from work, which just happened by coincidence, not planned.   The first night, i was surprised to find that i slept a little bit because i didnt' expect to, maybe a couple of hours.  

      I didn't realize then what i've learned on the web (no web for me then) that diazapam stays in the system a long time, so maybe that's why i could sleep a little.  The next day, i was actually in a good mood and felt energetic. As the night came on, and time wore on, that energetic feeling changed into more of a tense anxious uncomfortable feeling. Not a nice feeling. And i had symptoms like twitching nerves or muscles, not a lot, not frequent, just a few, and i saw things out of the corners of my eyes, like hallucinations, and i thought i saw bugs crawling on my arm, or one bug, again, not frequently, not very much, just a couple of times at most. I was not tired and i kept busy by reading this medical book i had , Merck Manual, which told about withdrawing from diazapam, and it was mostly reassuring because apparently they only considered people addicted who were on a much higher dose than i was on, 60mg or something like that, but it also scared me because it said abrupt withdrawal could cause seizures. i could see that i was having those occasional twitches so i wondered if that was related to a seizure. But i was not going to turn back, i already had two days into it.  I did get a little sleep that night too, like maybe an hour.

      i was tired during the day but not the usual kind of tired because that intense kind of tension continued. Kind of stimulated. i was a single parent of a 9 year old daughter and i had to kind of maintain a normal like, taking her to the orthodontist, picking her up from school, having her friend over, going shopping for food, but i mostly gave her TV dinners that week, i wasn't cooking.  I ate ready made sandwiches from the stores and restaurants downstairs.  

      I had to buy some herbs at an herb store,i was taking Chinese herbs at the time, for more general health things, and maybe those helped, i don't know, but at the herb place, i remember being irritated by having to stand there and have a conversation with the guy.  And i think that was the day i went to the drug store and picked up some things and i asked the pharmacist how long withdrawal from diazapam takes, and he said average is about two weeks. That actually made me feel better, the psychological part, because by that day, i was thinking, "This is getting really old, i don't like this, will this ever storp?", that tension.  Hearing that there is an average and it's 2 weeks made me feel better. I didn't like the way i felt, but i knew i could handle it for two weeks.  

      I had some sweats.  That night, again i got some sleep, not much, but i wasn't expecting to be able to sleep at all so i appreciated it.  The next day i was still having that tension and pressured feeling, and i was sweating a lot.  And it was on that day that i was feeling pretty bad, and then i was talking to my friend on the phone and that wasn't very enjoyable, and i was drinking chrysanthemum tea, which was from the Chinese doctor, and in the afternoon, as i finished the tea, i felt the sweat break, the heat stopped, and then i was comfortable, and that was kind of a turning piont.  i had an appetite and i just felt better, more normal after that, and after that, i may have still had more of the tension, i don't rmember, i just remember that after that, it all went away, the symptoms all stopped, except sleep was still not easy, but i was really happy to be off the diazapam, i knew i had made it and i had done it and it was done, and i would never go back on it again. i was pretty happy.  

      i think the psychological part was very important.  Years earlier in the time i was taking diazapam, i had doctors cut me off many times, and i was miserable. i wasn't using any where near that much, but just not being able to sleep, i wasn't ready for it, i didn't want to stop the diazapam. It was different all those years later, i had a child, i had some health issues, and i wanted to be healthy and no longer struggling to get enough medication for sleep. i was motivated, and i enjoyed the successful parts of the withdrawal and i didn't think the hard parts were going to last forever.  

      But when i was younger and i didn't want to stop taking the medication, it was a hard time, i remember it as a hard time, for some years.  i finally found a doctor who would prescribe 'downers' to anybody, and i started going to him once a month, and after that, at least i didn't have that problem of never knowing when i would be able to get the meds or not.

      I know there are a lot of people who would never go cold turkey, and who don't think anyone should (including my current addiction medication specialist doctor). i think it was the best thing for me when i did it.  I didn't even know there was such a thing as tapering. But if i had, i wouldn't have wanted to do it becauese the meds weren't  working, so why keep taking them??  if i was still taking them while trying to get off of them, for me that would've been harder, at least psychologically, and it would've take a lot longer.

      But i take seriously the people who report they have tried cold turkey and had a bad experience, and regret it.  I was going to quit all my sleeping meds cold turkey in early 2013, after having that good experieince in 1993, but now i have internet and i googled it and i found a forum site where people are so against going cold turkey and teliing about their bad experiences, and that caused me to be scared and i just ended up procrastinating, staying on it another year, and then finally i did taper off zopiclone, but i had zolpidem to help me sleep so it wasn't hard at all.

      I think there is a big difference between benzos like diazapam, and Z drugs like zopiclone. I think it's actually not as hard on the body with Z drugs. Not saying it's easy to do, but just not as harsh as benzos.  I bring this up because there are at least a couple of members of this forum, probably more, who went cold turkey off of zopiclone and were very happy with the result, no regrets, no turning back, going into detail about how much better their lives are now.  I wish i could remember their names, i will try to see if i can find any of them, i might be able to, because it would be better if you could read what they wrote.  You might not have twitching nerves or seeing bugs out of the corner of your eyes, it might be a little less extreme.  I know those people are on here, every now and then they chime in.  

      But i would say they were probably ready, psychologically, and i think that's a really important part and is why doctors shouldn't be so casual about stopping sleep medications.  sad   i have been lucky that my doctor never gave me any opposition, he prescribed what i asked for. But sometimes i saw his physicians assistant and she always had negative things to say, she would say how she was worried about prescribing all those meds, afraid for her license--i could only sympathize, i didn't want her to lose her license.  i felt bad, a trouble maker.   The last time i saw her, i had just finished giong off zopiclone, i knew she would be happy and she was. I asked for my other two prescriptions i had been getting, zolpidem 10mg and zolpidem extended release 12.5mg, and she expressed regret and said she wasn't going to be willing to do it much longer, like she was warning me.  It always felt bad, stressful, will this be the time she will cut me off?   Then i went to the addiction medication doctor and he put me on diazapam and took me off zolpidem, but i still have so much zolpidem left from before, and also, i still buy it from overseas pharmacy (nonprescription) and the diazapam is not enough to keep me asleep all night so i take zolpidem in the mornings, but it's way less zolpidem than i was taking before.  glad to say that.  Anyway, i'm sorry you have to go through this.

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      Thanks jaw 4 the reply I managed to get 3 of my friends mum cos I honestly know I would not of been able to do it am terrified of going cold turkey but am bk at the docs Tom with a plan av drawn up the doc today was not a bit understanding and refused me give me anythink said well uv been getting by 4 now so ul just have to deal with it I was so upset as today was the day I wanted to start afresh with cutting down, he told me to come bk thu with a plan cos he needs to talk to the other docs about it 1st n then look at my plan am going to c another doc Tom n take this plan with me, no way I can wait till thu don't think il get anywhere but worth 1 last try to get help x
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      thank you for being so forthright. One of may main concerns over those that do appear to be having problems is that it is not some form of auto suggestion Probably not and I am quite willing to be apprehended. We are all old enough to take criticism and long as done as fairly as you have done it. But it is stupid, in 2007 i never took sleeping pills, diagnosed in 2008,  full of anxiety and away we go. I do not really know the first steps to coming off the pills. My consultant says he deals with my blood problems not general health which is probably fair enough.
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    Hi David. I quite agree. I have never had any problem with them, but plenty of problems without them. 
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