Zopiclone withdrawal

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Found a post on this site about someone having horrendous withdrawal from Zops. Can't find the post again as I wanted to respond, but need to share my current experience anyway to see if anyone else is getting such extreme symptoms? Been on Zops for 12 years. Was up to 8 or 9 a day at one time. Am desperate to come off so tailing off gradually but having dreadful anxiety, panic attacks, vile migraines, unsteady on legs, twitching uncontrollably. Frightened to drive or go anywhere on my own.Am trying the diazipam replacement route. E.g. Taking 10 mg of these and cutting down to one zip a night. Thought I should be feeling better by now as have been on this reduced dose for 6 weeks now but feel worse than ever!

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    STOP, You are way too fast.

    How much of Z and/or D have you been on the past 6 - 12 months

    Are you on any other meds including over the counter?

    are you in the UK ?

    If you msg back I'll try and help tonight!

    Regards

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      Yes, I am in the UK. In last 6 months up until last 6 weeks, I was taking 5 Zops a day. A couple in the afternoon and the rest at night. I was not taking any diazipam before now but had read it can help as a substitute whilst tailoring off the Zopiclone? Apart from taking Nurofen to ease the migraines I don't take anything else. I know I was knocking back the Zops just to relieve the withdrawal symptoms which were vile, but now feel even  worse and afraid I have done permanent damage to my nervous system! Used to be confident, stable and sociable. Now a feeble wreck. Will do anything to get back to life. Any help appreciated.
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      Meant to mention that for some strange reason, in the last few months I have no tolerance for nicotine, caffeine or alcohol? All of which I could enjoy before. Since cutting down on the Zops I cannot consume any of them as they exacibate the withdrawal symptoms to unmanageable levels. Why the hell is this? Any one felt the same reaction?
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    From my experiences with both diazeapam and zopiclone, I would strongly suggest that you are expecting far too much from 10mg of diazepam. I don't know what the best route is for you to follow, especially after so many years on zopiclone. I have had multiple problems with sleep for years now, and I think one has to be so careful with the desperate need they feel for a good ight's sleep, that they are quick to overdo it in the beginning, and the sleep they get from zopiclone, or even benzos, such as diazepam, feels so good, despite it's less than natural sleep benefits and feelings of restoration they get, they tend to get careless and find themselves quickly falling into the trap of addiction. It must be caught early. Things became worse for me when, a year ago, I was also diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. This didn't help my sleep much, and even though the Dr. at the pain management clinic gave me 7.5-15mg zopiclone per night, to help with sleep, I don't believe I have ever taken as much as the full dose of 15mg. I've taken 1.5 pills (11.25mg) per night, many times, and then will cut it back to as low as 3/4 of a 7.5mg pill in a night, when I have had a couple of "acceptable" night's sleep. I know, by doing it this way, I am less likely to develop a dependency. I know how intense a diazepam addiction can be, as I was one of the casualties of the 60s and 70s diazepam addiction syndrome that swept the globe, thanks to the irresponsible actions of Hoffman-LaRoche. Anyway, I was just a young lad of 17 when this happened, and I learned to control the addiction and get myself off of that drug. I have used the same method to wean myself off of other benzos, and other addictive substances over the years. It will take great patience, but I believe it may be the only way that works. If you are on 5 zopiclone per night, drop no more than 10 percent when you start to taper down. You will fail every time if you try to taper by more than 10 percent of your typical nightly dose. If you insist on replacing any of the zopiclone with diazepam, do so with the intent of stopping the diazepam after a week, or two at the most. At that point you will be down to 90% of what your usual habit was for the zopiclone. Then, observe how well you do for several days with no diazepam, and your new nightly dose of zopiclone. If it works for you, great. Then start planning to drop by another 10%. This may start to get difficult (only because it is hard to cut 10% off of 4 1/2 pills - but it can be done), but if you want to get off this stuff with any chance of success, you will have to be meticulous about it all. Use diazepam with each drop of 10%, being careful not to like the diazepam substitute too much. Go through this method and I believe you will have a good chance of getting off of the zopiclone, and will avoid getting addicted to the diazepam as well. I know it can be more difficult for some people than others, but it can work, and it can work quite well. I wish you luck with this. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask away. Bye for now.
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      Hi and

      Well done zopiclone 7.5 = 5mg diazepam approximately. All this came about when they reclassified zopiclone. This is creating havoc

      Far too quick a drop and dangerous. The problem is I like you know that Z drugs and benzos are sort of interchangeable in a way. I have most of my posts on the benzodiazipnes group!

      I did ask why there was not a way that the two could not be linked as both are addictive. The moderator wrote to me that there are more people in the zopiclone group. I find myself trying to post on both. could I suggest you both join that group to get the numbers up.

      It's late so be in touch tomorrow ( eyesight not brilliant) I'll try to msg a link to you to a website that may give a good insight

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      Thanks for your helpful info. I am down to 10 mg of diazipam and only one zop a night as mentioned before. I am loathed to up my zop dose again as I am sleeping about 6 hours a night for last few nights on this regime, however experiencing the dreadful symptoms I mentioned before, so perhaps I am pushing myself too fast, but I am likely to run out of the tabs before I can tail off sensibly which scares the hell out of me. 
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      Okay, I guess I misunderstood your earlier post. It sounded like you were cutting down far too quickly. Maybe you are. Can you give a better picture of where you were at in the beginning, i.e. how much zop per day, and how you cut down. What was your method, dosewise, and what helpers, if any besides diazepam, did you use? I would try to find a Dr. who will be happy to help you out of your current state, by supplying you with more diazepam. I really think it would be of great benefit to you. Let me know and I'll respond to you tomorrow. It is 4a.m. here, in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I get up late, due to so many different types of sleep problems. I will be heading to bed shortly, and will likely be up in about 8-9 hrs from now. I try to squeeze in about 7-8 hrs of fairly broken sleep. I have not had an unbroken span of sleep of more than 2 or 3 hours for many years now. I honestly do not remember what a good night's sleep feels like. It has been almost 30 yearts since I had more than 1 or 2 days in a row of sleeping like that. Anyway, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye for now.
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      You are making a huge mistake Melissa. Please listen to me carefully. I intend puting another post up so everyone can read it. I have knowledge and experience nobody can dispute. I also intend writing to the moderator of this forum. What you have tried to do is unfair on all who love and care for you. Your proposal is not just going to make you Ill it is potentially life threatening.i will let you know when I've posted it also the title. Please listen!
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      About 12 years ago I had a lot of big traumas in my life. Before that I never had any sleep problems. I was prescribed Zopiclone as I had refused antidepressant, I thought they would be a slippery slope but how wrong. I was on a repeat prescription of Zops for over a year, but did not really misuse them for the first 5 years, just taking one or two a night. Took off to Spain to get away from stuff and bought them over the counter there until 2008. When I got back things did not improve in my life so stupidly I ordered Zops from the Internet. That is when I started you misuse badly, using them to blot things out. I took as many as twelve a day at one time. Was not using diazepam at all. By 2010 was taking 9 a day. Started to have really bad 'episodes' so cut back to about 5 or 6 in 2011 to 2014. Got down to 5 a day last year, sometimes less. Came clean with my partner about my addiction only about 6 weeks ago. He has been amazingly supportive and we tried to put together a plan to get me off them by gradual reduction, but am having these frightful reactions to what I guess is withdrawal, hope it is nothing else. 

      Don't any Doc here would take me seriously. They would just think I am a pill junkie which I never was before and had never been involved in drugs or alcohol abuse. If one gets these tabs off the internet you take a big risk, not knowing what they really contain. Any Doc would say my own fault and send me off to some drug clinic which is not for me. Cannot get a supply now from previous source, but still think I have enough to tail off but so expected to feel much better than this after cutting back and I don't. Am really worried that I will never feel normal again. Hope this info helps as any help from people would be good.

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      This sounds good thanks. Read what I have replied to elementalis post, give you some more background. I know it can be dangerous cutting back or stopping this medication suddenly and believe me I am experiencing these dangers but don't have enough supply to cut back more gradually. Don't know why either that I am having really bad reactions to any stimulants such as caffine, nicotine or even just a few sips of wine give me a massive migraine and feel like I could fall over with panic and pounding cramps in my head/brain. Very odd.
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    Melissa this withdrawal, do You have a metallic taste in your mouth? Have you been vomiting on an empty stomach? Do you wake up and for a split second think I'm well , then you move y,our head and the nausea is back? How are you with baths or showers, does it seem slimy! These are a few of the descriptions given to me over time! 

    Everything you you have said I've heard over and over before so yes is my answer to that. I cannot compile this post in a few hours. I want input if possible from all on the Zopiclone and the benzodiazepine site as they are undeniably linked.

    messaged you too

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      Yes, metallic taste but you get that anyway. Can't stand up in a shower as feel too wobbly, but no slimy feeling in bath. Have not vomited or woken up feeling I am 'cured.' If only. My physical symptoms are so extreme is difficult to emphasise this enough. I am sure everyone has heard all this before so what does one do?
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