After effects from Robotic Radical Prostatectomy
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I had a Robotic radical prostatectomy in August of 2012. Over time, there has been shrinkage especially when flacid. Orgasm without ejaculation is definitely different, but for some reason I have a mental picture of ejaculating even though I don't. There is some fluid which comes from the Cowper's gland. Sex for me is not the same but I think that is just my fault. I expect to much and therefore sex is pretty uneventful for me. Any similar experiences out there? Thanks.
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Sam230 pretensky
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Hi
I went through radical prosectomy using Divinchi Robot method in 2011. I was 56 all i wanted at the time was the cancer gone. I had the talk regarding different options for treatment,possible side effects. Dry orgasms ,incontinence,probably not really listening.. I was quite positive until i suffered all the above. Didnt deal with it well, you dont really know how these effects you as a man until you experience it,marriage really struggled. Contemplated suicide but never quite got the nerve to do it. My advice if sex is a big part of you and your marriage go for the least invasive method and accept the risks regarding further cancer. For some people its no big deal, dont do sex very often, marriage is based on real friendship, you will probably cope with radical treatment. Those reading this site probably very concerned about side effects but options available now are much better. You have to listen to the best advice available but make sure you get as much opinion as possible.
FratDude Sam230
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I agree with Sam230. Nothing about PCa is black and white, it is all grey scale. There are many kinds of PCa, and the virility and extent of PCa is different in every patient, and the treatment options are many, with many kinds of outcomes for each kind of treatment option. So best to do as much investigation as possible before making decisions.
ES28567 pretensky
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When first told you have Cancer it is such a shock. For me all I could think about was ok, how do I get rid of it. I was a little preemptive and went down to the hospital and got my results prior to my appointment with my urologist. So I already knew what he was going to tell me. I'm the "trust but verify" type. It's an absolute shame we can't trust the urologist to shoot straight with us. They should be required to tell us what they can do and then disclose ALL the negative side effects. They should also be required to encourage patients to explore all options available (perhaps even handing the patient a list of websites to other options available).
My uro told me my only choice was radical prostatectomy. I had to ask what the side effects were. He only admitted to several of the other side effects when I asked about them. So disappointing! Needless to say I switched to another Urologist.
My HIFU experience is different from that of MikeTango. I retained all sexual function with no physical size drawbacks as he mentioned above. My recovery was difficult but the long-term results so far have been great! My annual MRI results have all been good and last week I had a CT scan with everything all clear. (My results are short-term as I am only 3 1/2 years out from my procedure).
I think it is important to keep in mind that we can have the same procedure and experience different results as each one of us is unique. I think what I want to stress most is the results and minimum bad side effects are directly tied to the experience and skill of the doctor/surgeon.
To anyone who has just been told they have cancer, all I can say is do your own research. Be your own best advacate. Learn ALL your option AND KNOW THE SIDE EFFECTS FOR EACH PROCEDURE. Once you have decided on the procedure that you feel is the lessor evil (and they are all evil) and you feel you can live with the side effects, then find the VERY BEST surgeon you can afford and be willing to travel to get to him. You are dealing with the rest of your life...make your decision count!
MikeTango ES28567
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I agree with ES 28567. When I heard I had prostate cancer I explored the surgical options. After many phone calls with cancer and prostate experts I went to the top professor in London who specializes in HIFU. I paid whatever they asked and did whatever they advised. I went to the top private hospital there and it was very expensive. But I think I’m benefiting from that biggest financial investment of my life (excluding car, house) and marriage
MikeTango pretensky
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I too experience the same after effects. I have some liquid which resembles the semen before I had my hifu operation. But my libido is greatly reduced although I am still working and experiencing stress at work which may partly explain that. I have limited desire for sex these days although I am 65 years old. Looking back my sexual desires reduced in my 50s. Companionship in my marriage is now, important to me. I have a wife who is 20 years my junior so it concerns me that I cannot fulfill her sexual desires. I am working on this and recognize it as a risk factor to my marriage.
pdc1956 pretensky
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I too was not fully informed/educated on what is realistic vs what was in the surgeon's brochure, as it relates to ED and related issues. I was 63 (20 months ago) when I had my nerve sparing prostatectomy. And I was told how high the rate of return to near "normal" was. for this particular surgeon For what it's worth and these are just physiological facts, I rated the max points on the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF) which is the standard questionnaire almost all doctors use to determine your current level of ED. I just never in my life did not get an erection when needed and never experienced any of the standard ED traits. I was told, oh, you have no worries. Given that you have no current ED issues, you will be one of the lucky ones.
One year and eighteen months later, I can get get enough of an erection to masturbate, but not sufficient to have vaginal penetration, unless I use 50mg of Viagra. Yes, then it is sufficient, but the notion that my pre-prostatectomy "virility" made me a shoe in for being up and at'em afterwards , was at best a terrible setup and at worse, just a bad thing for a medical professional to say prior to life changing surgery.
On the issue of dry orgasm. I have been able to dry orgasm, but not during PIV sex. Not an issue before surgery. To suggest that ejaculate doesn't matter, well for me at least, it's just not true. The loss of the ability to ejaculate is not only a physical impact to the experience, for me, and other men I have heard from, it is a significant psychological two by four to the psyche that I never expected or was informed about. Men ejaculate. Your whole life, your whole sexual experience - ejaculation is inextricably tied to the completion of the act. I never once heard anything from health professionals about recommendations on how to prepare or adjust to this.
Like it or not, even intellectually understanding it, there is a connection to manhood and ejaculation, and there are just too many men who express this distress after prostate surgery to pretend it does not exist, at least is some portion of the male experience. Medical professionals should be aware an helpful in this for patients to be prepared and better informed in decision making.
Do I enjoy what sex has become with my wife? It is a complex question where it used to be very, very simple. The level of enjoyment is now always gauged against the level of challenge that must be dealt with (psycological, emotional, physical) vs the adjusted expectations of the ultimate level of enjoyment.
I am one of those that, If I had a crystal ball and knew exactly before surgery what I know now, would have postponed. I did a great deal of research and took ownership as an informed patient, but I am also convinced that the medical professionals I relied on were not as honest or transparent as they should have been.
pierre71 pdc1956
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Hello I saw your comments on the dry orgasm by a radical prostatectomy and you explain the situation very well, it's good to talk about it
I am 49 years old and I had radical prostatectomy like you 2 years ago. I have robot surgery and my urologist explained all the details of sperm production during normal ejaculation, the emission and expulsion phase and what it will be like after surgery. He explained to me that he had no choice but to remove my 2 seminal vesicles and the vas deferens with my entire prostate and that I could no longer produce sperm, but I was going to have muscle spasms. I was supposed to experience the same quality of orgasm but dry.
Currently I have all my libido and erections as before the surgery but not being able to ejaculate for me is a very big difference and especially in masturbation. Visually, I expected to see a difference because my ejaculations were powerful but beyond the visual of seeing the sperm squirt out of control, I think it is also psychological because I feel less power and virility. Regarding internal sensations there is also a big difference when I have my orgasm, at the beginning I do not have the sensation of the emission phase when we say "oh yes it comes", the tension of the sperm who's getting ready to squirt and that's a big difference as well.
Whether we like it or not, ejaculation for a man is a symbol of virility and muscularity. It is the conclusion of the sexual act and the ejaculation of the sperm is a function of the body of every man. As some people mentioned even if we no longer want children, I don't know many men who no longer want them to ejaculate.
donn65542 pretensky
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I had the robotic surgery on November 3rd. since then I'm taking 2 Viagra a day with zero results and am just now regaining bladder control almost 2 months later. My concerns are how much shorter my penis is now and that the closest thing to an erection is when I have a bowel movement and even then it's less than half of what I'm used to. Will things get better or is this the way things are now?
pretensky donn65542
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Your symptoms do seem worse than normal. But without knowing details about the level of prostate cancer you had, I can only compare your symptoms with mine. Please consult with your urologist or better yet, with your surgeon. Do not hold back. Tell it like it is.
barney34567 donn65542
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Having tried viagra myself, I found CIALIS daily is a better option.
My history: robotic surgery at age 50 then RT twice then ADT.
joshuapryce1987 pretensky
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I always thought that the prostate is where the orgasm comes from. The fluid itself comes from the testicles. This is what i was taught in school. Whatever the case, perhaps more foreplay and semen will help you.
pretensky joshuapryce1987
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I think you need to do more research on this topic before you try to give advice. You obviously are not knowledgeable about the male reproductive system and how it works. Sperm is manufactured in the testicles. The seminal glands are attached to the prostate and provide the seminal fluid. During orgasm, the sperm travels from the testicles to the prostate via the vas deferens tube (there is one tube from each testicle) and mixes with the seminal fluid to provide the semen which is ejaculated through the urethra during orgasm. When the prostate is removed, the seminal glands are also removed and the vas deferens tubes are disconnected. After prostate removal, the patient loses the ability to ejaculate during orgasm because there is no fluid (semen, sperm or otherwise). This is just a quick explanation so if anyone else wants to add something I have missed, please do...Thanks
barney34567 pretensky
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To continue your line of thinking, it is true that no fluid (ejaculation) is released from the body post surgery, but some men post surgery can achieve erections and can sustain dry (or "retrograde") ejaculations when the semen goes into the bladder rather than exiting via the penis.
pretensky barney34567
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Yes, erections can still occur and they do for me. However your statement about semen going into the bladder is confusing to me. As far as I know, once the prostate has been removed, the seminal glands (which are attached to the prostate) are gone and the connection to the vas deferens is cut and tied off. There is no way for the semen to make it into the bladder, unless there is some procedure I don't know of, that relocates the vas deferens so that it is now connected to the bladder.
barney34567 pretensky
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I should have written "sperm" not semen, as you're correct: semen is no longer produced once a radical prostatectomy has been performed.
I queried the matter with my family doctor who advised, as do several medical sites, that retrograde ejaculations can occur after radical prostatectomy.
pretensky barney34567
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I guess I need some clarification on what a retrograde ejaculation is. Sperm comes from the testicles and if there is no longer a connection from the testicles to the urethra via the prostate then how does sperm get to the bladder? I know that the Cowpers gland produces a fluid that leaks out of the penis during ejaculation even after prostate surgery.
pierre71 joshuapryce1987
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I believed this too before I had problems with my prostate but it doesn't. The semen (white sticky liquid) that comes out of the penis during ejaculation is composed of a mixture in part of the secretions of the prostate and the seminal vesicles, the sperm cells are produced by the testes and are transported to the prostatic urethra through the vas deferens, it is a very small amount of fluid. It is during the seconds before ejaculation that all the fluids mixes and creates the semen and after that the pc muscles expel that through the penis
When a man has his prostate removed, this is not always mentioned, but the surgeon does not have the choice to also remove the seminal vesicles and cut the vas deferens as he does for a vasectomy. Even if the penis is physically intact with the testicles, erection and can orgasm, all the ducts and internal glands are removed and it is no longer possible to produce semen. If you have any questions we can discuss them