Afterlife ~ yes, or no?

Hi Goldwingman,

That' is certaily a points of view, a synthesis of two distinct ideas somewhat merged. The ideas of

(1) the ill effects of religion

(2) atheism

(1) that is a mater of historical analyis. As in any historical aspect an infinite variety of analyes is possible although at various periods in a particular society a more or less accepted view may be current. It is not a belief system and any logical deduction from a defined set of reports may be considered valid.

(2) Atheism is a belief system as is belief in a being that created everything that is created. Neither belief system depends upon any religion. Religion may more often than not define the view as to a god or gods for its adherants.

Belief systems of themselves do neither harm or good.

Religions, however, in defining what is for them the acceoted view as to god or gods, is often an organisation that requires responses from its adherants that has led to wars, murders etc. there is no direct connection between these ill effects and the existance or not of  one or more beings capable of creating everything.

I look forward to reading your further observations.

 

G,Day if there is a God he has not got a sence of humour as i Lost my Wife in 93 she was 42 Years Old my only love we had 4 children we Lost our first Daughter then i lost her in 93 and that screwed with my Head then my Son Matthew was Killed by a drunk driver 2 weeks after his 21 St B/Day i tell you is there a God when we see children in Hospital with Cancer and we have to have Charitys to Raise money to find a Cure .But we allways seem to have enough money to find new ways i killing each other .Dont get me wrong the people who raise the money for hospitals do a great Job But our Hospitals shouldnt want for any thing .If there is a God why does he let little kids suffer from Cancer and every other thing no more Miricles sorry about my spelling .Rubbish .

" we always seem to have enough money to find new ways of killing each other "

this is such a strong point!

therein lies our focus.....at the moment. Why is this?

I am very sorry to learn of your losses. How you manage to cope with so much grieve I do not know. We lost our only daughter. That loss is with me yet and yet I do not know how to extraelate from that tragedy to know how I might adequately express my sympathy. 

For the rest, we have made our points. Perhaps the remaining issue is mankind rather thany any individual. I see mankind being at root wicked and deserving nothing good. Yet good does come our way as well as the pains and sorrows.

That was the great moral issue for the Sweed Nobel. Does funding the prizes really make up for the devastation and killings. Was he responsible?

oh georege thats harsh!

i think we are fundamentally good x

george tell me the name of the swede and i'll look up this nobel prize winner in order to follow you better. i agree with pinning responsiblility.

the thread i started dedicated to joy got zapped. did you see it before it went?

goldwing

i am so sorry for your loss

Industrial War Complex, Eisenhower warned of this back in his days...greedy driven $$$$

And the U.S. leads the pact for this power.....sick is all I can say ..

No afterlife in my life.....J

G,Day geogeGG well you have to go on tomorrow is my Wedding Anver, i was Married on the 1/012/1972 there is Not a day go by that i dont think of my True Love my Daughter Simone an Son Matthew just had his 21 st Birthday but i have my Son an Daughter to look after me Daniel is 40 and my Daughter is 37 ,I will never be with another partner if i cant have my only love i will go without my God i Miss them Both but some days are bloody hard like birthday anverserys .Im just a Normal Bloke with Cronic Pain 24/7 the Med,s help dull the Pain a Bit Thanks for you best wishes .

Dear Goldwing

I am so sorry for your loss. We will be thinking of you tomorrow. This is such a difficult time for you. Please accept my deepest condolences.

Marey.

Yes, it is harsh. It depends on where we set our datum point. (1) If the datum is ourselves we see the vast majority of people as nice decent folk who raise there families and hold out a helping had when they happen upon some one in difficulties.

(2) If we set our datum point as absolutely good than we are all a long way from that standard.

(1) is useful for practical issues in family and society

(2) is useful for Theological purposes

Perception is everything. Agreed.

He was Alfred Nobel whose will provided the funds for the various prizes awarded each year. He felt keenly that his invention to stabalise TNT while earning him a huge fortune resulted in a significant jump in the destructiveness of war.

ok thanks for saving me a google search!

Well he has enormously compromised our world

G,Day joy47826 yes the man who invented Or TNT was given a Nobel prize look at all the Killings that is going on the USA needs a War every generation to keep the wheels of industry going Henty Ford an Coca Cola make Millions an Millions dueing WW11 the young men in the USA can not buy a beer but can Blow your head off with a Machine Gun go Fiquer Man is the Only animal that kills for the sake of killing ,Animals kill to eat only where all going bloody Crazy Cheers .?

you say it like it is

marey Thank You for car.

welcome goldwing and welcome to the warmth of our little group!

Hi Goldwingman,

I can feel your pain with what you just wrote.  I know that as time passes, you always remember the times shared together but the pain your feel will subside.  I, myself, have lost so many people dear and near to my heart but if my husband would pass before me, I would be lost.  I also deal with 24/7 chronic pain and I'm full of meds to help me deal with some of it.  I had a spine stimulator but they had to remove it because it was faulty...so I was advised not to have another one put in.  I didn't mind because the stimulator only triggered the nerves and the pain usually got worse.

Sorry to go off on that.  I'm happy you have your kids and they are close to you.  Do you  have grandkids?  Hopefully you're able to stay active enough to get you through the days, weeks and months.  If not, try donating time to a good cause as that will not only fill the lonely feelings, it will lift you up when you see what you can do to change someones life just by giving your time.

Anyway, I'm rambling because it's not 2:15 am and I've been up since 6 am yesterday.  My mind gets like this at times and i cannot shut it off.

So, hoping and wishing you a healthy and happy  2015!

HNY,

Frustrated

We  welcome any and everyone to this discussion.  We, the people that follow posts together, get one another.  We usually never attempt to step on their opinions as they are theirs and theirs alone and no one has the right to object to ones opinion.  LOL I'm so tired I'm just rambling away!

Anyway, nice to see your post to wingman, Marey...I share the same feelings, the warmth and welcome of "our" little group.  Nicely said, my friend.

Warm regards,

Frustrated