Afterlife ~ yes, or no?

No rant that, Goldwingman. Yes, why don't they quietly go round the wards and send all the occupants home healed of their ailments, or entirely whole : even better. And you supply the answer. Money, but more the love of money.  Money is useful. The love of money is the root of all evil. If we have enough to live on as may be appropriate to our community and have some to give away, what can we possibly need more for? Yet some amass millions upon millions.

 

Hi Molly ~

Thank you for responding.  I apologize for this late return to you as I've been dealing with a severe case of sjogrens and my eyes are extremly dry.

Enough of that!  lol  I feel as you do about "religion".  I'm a spiritual person myself..  "Religion" is for those who need a  congregation to walk them through their path.  I did that for many years and I felt good about it, but, I came to a conclusion that "religious" atmosphere could only take me so far, the rest was up to me to walk through the spiritual aspect of religion and beliefs.

 I have found that many that follow these discussions do talk freely about their experience with religion and no one thus far has even said a word to contradict anyone's feelings and beliefs.  I do know that some of the discussions on this site has a few that will argue until they are blue, I bypass those in a heartbeat!

I enjoyed your post and look forward to reading other things you have to share!  Thank you!

Frustrated

O Frustrated, you are so right. Religion only takes us a few steps. To make progress we need to lengthen our stide as we set out on our own journey of discovery. There is so much to discover. If we remain limited by rules we shall discover only what is encapsulated within the rules.

As I have a Kindle.. I have discovered Many free books on the Amazon site via different authors with different views on the subject - some interesting, some repetitive, some you just want to know more.

From crystal healing/Reiki right up to Soul Prebirth planning.

I have always believed.... When you follow your own individual path or destiny, that is spiritualism........... When a group or more people follow a  structured set of organized beliefs - that is  a religion. 

Our lives are what we make them -  to learn lessons about ourselves and possibly guide lessons to others.   Light & Love 

Hi Gloria,

Frustrated is unwell at present and can only occasionally make brief visits to the forum. I am sure she will be interested in your post and answer when she is able.

For myself, I am very uneasy about accepting a transplant. I do not see much difference morally between incorporating someone else's organ into my body and canibalism. In addition, would there be some confusion in the afterlife for both the donor and the recipient? Might there be eternal consequences?

Hi George

Thank you for your reply. I am sorry to hear Frustrated is feeling unwell and I wish her the best.

I wish doctors were as understanding of everybody’s right to their own beliefs as they are on this forum. I literally had 10 doctors/interns screaming at me at once that I was being silly.

Going to watch a beautiful lightning display (Queensland Australia)

Hi Gloria

Thank you for that reply. Doctors are medically trained not metaphysically trained. They have no business pushing their own beliefs at a patient. If a patient holds firm beliefs the doctors should be bound to accept the patients motivation and choice as valid.

As to the forum the openness and mutual acceptance of each others' beliefs has been most valuable. Although there were a wide variety of beliefs as far as detail is concerned, all the contributors showed confidence that there is an afterlife. I found the slant on pergatory very interesting. There were points of view that were entirely new to me and opened up new ideas and realisations for me.Their varied testemony has enabled me to widen my understanding of my own beliefs which I have held for some 40 years. I am very grateful to all the contributors.

I hope you enjoy the lighting (lightning because of unusual weather conditions? I am assuming a man made display unless you tell me otherwise.) display. I saw a wonderful display with underwater lights, high powered fountains and accompianing music in Budapest last Winter. it was very lovely and often dramatic. Photos on my iPhone came out really well and videos too. I hope you enjoy the display. It should be a memorable evening.

Hi Gloria and Doc ~

I'm only on for a few tonight and I've already extened most my time answering a message to Doc.  However, I feel strongly about this subject as far as transplants go.  I have a dear friend who just last week had a kidney transplant and w/o it her life would have ended way too early.  I see it as Our Lord giving the gift to the doctors who studied and then able to do transplants successfully.

 As far as canibalism and confusion in the afterlife, I believe our souls depart us when we pass away so that would eliminate any confusion...as far as canibalism, I view that as in some cases,  necessary.  Take an air flight that crashed, some die and some didn't, those who survived turned to canibalism as a means to survive, as disgusting as that seems, but it was necessary.  I don't believe that God I know would fault them in any way.

With medical advancement today, we've all lived longer than our ancesters and my guess, will continue to live longer hence forth.  I see these accomplishments as gifts given to us from God, our Lord.  He wants the best for all his children and if a transplant will suffice, then I see it as his means of keeping life for those who otherwise would have  passed, maybe way too young and before they learned a final lesson.

Gloria, I'm wondering if your rejecting a heart transplant is out of fear?  I mean, once the heart is taken out, it's pretty final if the transplant doesn't take, right?  I can see it as being fearful to me if I were in your shoes.  However, we must trust the doctors that God intended to do these sensitive operations, right?  Either way, it's your choice, but I would take off the table that it's somehow immoral or interferring with when your life is to end.  I see it as, if you're meant to die, then the transplant won't take, right?  If you are spared, then it means you're meant to be here and possibly help others who are faced with the same dilemma, right?

I wish you all the comfort that our Lord bestows upon you with your decision.   Also, you may want to ask your family how they feel about you getting a transplant vs. leaving under the opposing situation and see if that helps you with your decision.

Good luck and Happy Holidays

Frustrated

Hugs, to you, Doc <3>

Bless you Frustrated, bless you for that long posting. Of course you may be right. But there are alternative glories as discussed here. It might be that our body sleeps and we are with the Saviour and at his coming will receive a new incorrupable body. Or, we will be assigned to complete our spiritual development by a further human life, perhaps of only a few years, or maybe on into aripe old age for some things can only be leanrt in the later years when the body falters and grows slow. We can speculate but our Lord God, Jesus, our Lord and Saviour dispenses what is most needful to complete our  spiritual growth.

Those discussions on Purgatory and the near-death accounts are so intensly interesting. I hope they bring delight and hope to Gloria. There may well be a spiritual dimention to her caution conserning heart transplant. One day we shall know. O happy day! What do you say, Gloria?

Hi all,

Yes the lightning was real, not unusual for us to have lightning storms this time of year. Most of the time they are just buitiful but can be quite nasty at times.

I am glad I found this site I think it helps, I am not able to talk to my family as I dont want to burdon them.

Budapest sounds quite wonderful. I hope to travel overseas one day.

Thank you Gloia, we have lightning from time too time but nothing that would count as a display let alone what people could plan to watch.

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Thank you Gloia, we have lightning from time too time but nothing that would count as a display let alone what people could plan to watch. Your lightning storms must be quite amazing. I am sure it far exceeds any display man can produce. I do not expect I can even begin to imagine what it must be like for even our little storms are awe inspiring.

I am glad you have found this forum. None of us are happy with the reason that brought us here, of course. Nearly all who find their way here find that receiving information and advice and reading of the experiences of others helpful and calming. There is also solace to be found in contributing to discussions. Very seldom does anyone receive a putdown. Of Course all of us are under stress, whether we suffer some ailment(s) or are a carer. There are times when we misunderstand what someone has written, or reply with an ill chosen word but we make allowances for each other. We also get to know those who contribute frequently and that aids both understanding and to tollerence. So a very hearty welcome to you.  

Hi frustrated,

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I fully understand your support of organ transplant. I agree for some people it is a lifesaving best option. Prior to my heart attack I was an organ donor. I am now not so sure of that decision. Each person must weigh the pros and cons for themselves. I think you need to call upon your own spiritual beliefs. There is too many unknowns for me to go ahead with the transplant.  Thankfully I have no fear of death but I am concerned for my family. I am fortunate I have the opportunity to say goodbye.

I hope you have a merry Christmas

Gloria

Thank you Gloria,

Like you I do not fear death, but I am aprehensive about what will happen between now and that unknwn day. I would not postpone that day by using an organ of another. Death is the last enemy. Like an accomplish jjudo expert it is by embracing death when it is iminant and inevitable that we throw death to the ground and rise from the grave in life eternal. "Where O Death is thy sting?"